Ok gurus help replaced clutch fibers and springs checked the steels on glass and sanded them still see the dimples. Tare down reveals nothing special 3 fibers torn up fairly well but considering the amount of slipping I thought as much. Now with new fibers and springs it won't release no slip.Was thinking maybe bleed clutch well bled and cleaned replaced fluid, same results. so I thought maybe while I was talking to my buddies and drinking beer, I installed fiber to fiber. Next day tare down and no mistakes ? So I try installing old springs thinking coil bind same results double check steels one warped maybe .002 tops. Installed 2 old but good fibers and got the back wheel to slip some once lever pulled. Once completely reassembled tried riding with brake to hold, still pulling hard . where do i look next? I'm pulling beard hair as I'm already bald! I need my wind Wheely fix, had to wait 10 days for parts now 4 days on searching for problem.
Did you put too many plates in???? Missing parts? I hear alot of people having this trouble out of 1800 clutches. I mostly hear them talk about rocking the bike in gear and other stuff..........I like to see the pressure plate move before putting the cover back on but too late for that.......
Thanks Hefty and yes plate moves but not enough when the springs are torqued down. Counted 8 fibers and 7 steels 6 springs. Really have done this b4 with no problems on other bikes ive had and helped friends do theirs too. That's kind of what's got me looped on this one. Just watched a video on Youtube that had a broken stud. The input or output drums. But was hoping that someone knew more than a 2 minute video or could say that it was a good chance that was it.
Hans&Feet did that also.and have bareasschoppers videos and tech board stared on my bobookmarks.Thanks and that's one of my stops b4 I come here and post.
Last August I had a similar situation, although I hadn't recently been into the clutch. I rebuilt/replaced both the master cylinder and slave before finding I had a broke one of the rivets that hold the inner drum to the outer. When I first pulled the cover I could not see it but, as soon as I rotated the assembly it became obvious is was out of whack.
Are you bottoming out on the springs? Not getting full throw? Sanded steel are going to be grabby for a short while. A clutch is pretty simple system. You either move the plates far enough away from each other or not.
Ok in order Harkon that's what I'm feeling so I need to get those stats and a micrometer. Thanks chuck vex f yes I bled the clutch when replacing the old fluid and also offset the last fiber and no that's not a misprint that's what I thought I had done after the clean fluid was bled through the system.. Thanks. Now jimbo this is the video I saw on Youtube. when you rotated the outer drum was there a lot of rotation like a 1/4 turn with a loud clunk at either end of the spin? This is where I think the problem is. Again thanks think between this and the original post I've covered everything at least once that I've done so far. Oh wait not sure about the torque wrench , do the spring bolts bottom b4 they get to 9 lbs or is the beam messed up on this wrench?
springs should not bottom.. with bolts at spec... something might prevent springs going all the way down.. and 1 or 2 pounds does not matter.. just do not break the spring bolts. (easy to do) even with clutch lever pulled .. springs should NOT bottom.
Thank you guys so much. Think Chuck VTX F got me straight the beam on the torque wrench doesn't want to move till the bolt bottoms. So I'm thinking that's the problem but will check everything on this round, can't stand to be without my baby any lo get than I have to be.
WOW Craftsman click type torque wrench 79.99 pulse tax , no beam type on the isle well at least its inch lbs. Will post results later. Thanks for your help.
Harkon this was an old beam type that my pops handed down but no doubt its showing its age too. But got this new and improved model now. So hopefully this is it. And I'm like willie and on the road again.
Well that's not the problem still not getting 109 in lbs until the bolt bottoms not the spring just the bolt. Springs do look close to coil bind but really how much does the pressure plate move out to release? Ok diving back in the videos to see if I missed something the last 3 times I've watched them.
Someone recently had the shim/washer on the bottom of the spring and with the taper of the bolt post the spring would compress
but the pack would not release.
Anyway the shim/washer should be by the bolt head...
I would consider looking at the left side of the bike and check the slave cylinder and if that doesn't solve the problem also the master cylinder. I presume you didn't pull the clutch lever before you installed the new plates?
Yeah went with the EBC springs there was some discussion on Bares site about springs,and went with those to see if the length kept it from doing the MTC stick they claim 10 to 15% more pressure without shims. Upon looking the springs are taller but think that has to do with one being old the other new. Saw that comparison on utube. But back to the bike tore down again to retorque the pressure plate and the bolts bottom b4 they get 4 ft lbs of torque, springs are also slightly larger diameter to the naked eye but not enough to push back hard enough. Does anyone have anymore ideas? Im going to get a micrometer and measure the plates and fibers now. Thanks
Once I had the cover off, I would pull the clutch to see how much plate movement I was getting,if any. I also would be looking at the pitch in the spring since they aint stock. Looking at the parts book it looks like a pretty standard clutch arrangement. The bolt sets against the inner clutch. Torque isnt going to set any spring pressure. Too many plates, too little throw, or compressed springs......
That's where I'm at too. Its all straight forward that's what I don't understand. Same amount of both plates as what came out .Tried old springs same thing waiting on a mic now to see if they sent the wrong fiber plates
Yep everything appears to work correctly appears its not throwing the pressure plate out far enough to release the pack. Is there a measurement for pressure plate movement from the pack? Wish my buddy would get home so we can mic these fibers. Read somewhere that harley plates are the same but thicker by a few thousands at .002 thicker that would be the thickness of a fiber?
Just wonder "what is " either stopping the plate from moving ie... springs fully collapsed, something wrong in the activation system, or.....i think if you loosen the bolts, and it will let Pplate move more, maybe put in gear and rock back and forth, then either too many plates or too thick of plates, or springs stopping movement from being totally collapsed.. if it doesnt move any more, then not enough throw or too many plates, or too thick of plates.
Hell I would even put the old springs in just to see what happens....
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