Queensland Licencing

[big hanno]

Has any one heard that the Beattie Govt intends to split our licence codes and charge us for each individual code. In my case 3 fees for MR, C and R.
Don't they get enough revenue from speed camera's???

[Beaker]

I haven't heard anything about that. And yeah they get sh1t loads from speed cameras - I have paid em enough, the bastards :evil:

[big hanno]

They will probably slip it in under the cover of darkness, go to bed one night and wake up with the new legislation.

The fable they are sprogging on about is that we have redundant codes on our licence that we have not used for years, i.e. bike licence, then 20 years on get on a bike and have accidents, by renewing each code we are inclined to allow it to expire if not utilised. Once gained I'm not letting go anyway!!!

Bikes are the future, lets plan and act accordingly.........no matter what political party is in power, we need some bike savy people in govt making the decisions or at least some decent input.

(Stepping down off soap box :) :) )

[chilliman]

I'm all for it if it means you get a points allocation for each level of licence you hold - instead of 12 pts over 3 yrs, you get say 8 pts per licence held per 3 yrs.

I've gotta try something, I've got 2 pts until Jan 2008 when I get 4 pts back. (beware - potential thread jacking comment follows:) all my pts were lost during work hours, in a company vehicle, on business trips - why don't professional drivers get an increased points allocation?

[big hanno]

Good point you make Chilliman, I always thought it tough that taxi drivers only got 12 points to work with. Argue all you like that they should know better blah blah blah.........fact is more on the road more exposure. I notice the last 20 or so K in to Melbourne (Hume Hwy) there are multiple speed camera's, some as little as a K apart. :evil: :evil:

[chilliman]

it's all about the income hanno. I thought the fixed cameras were supposed to be set up at black spots in order to save lives. :?

the longer you've had your licence the more pts you should be given

[big hanno]

It's now official, New Motorcycle licencing laws will become effective July 1 2008.

Just an update on this madness.........note recommendation 20

PARLIAMENTARY TRAVELSAFE COMMITTEE REPORT ON THE INQUIRY INTO Q-RIDE June 2007

Of the 24 recommendations made in the report, the government will support 10, partially support three, and will investigate seven.

RECOMMENDATIONS
1. That Queensland Transport introduce a requirement for all learner riders to hold a learner licence for a minimum of six months before being eligible to progress to a provisional licence, regardless of whether their licence is gained under the Q-RIDE or Q-SAFE schemes.
2. That Queensland Transport require motorcycle riders who obtain their licence through the Q-RIDE program to hold an RE class licence for a minimum of 12 months before progressing to an R class licence.
3. That Queensland Transport investigate the benefits and road safety implications of introducing graduated licensing conditions for novice motorcyclists similar to the young driver initiatives that are being implemented by the department.
4. That Queensland Transport ensure that all rider candidates undertake compulsory pre-licence training at both the pre-learner (off-road only) and pre-provisional stages.
5. That Queensland Transport contract Q-RIDE registered service providers to formalise their business relationship as a pre-condition to their registration to provide Q-RIDE training services.
6. That Queensland Transport institute bi-annual meetings with Q-RIDE registered service providers to allow for collaborative consultation and feedback to enhance the Q-RIDE program. The minutes of these meetings should be made available for public scrutiny. The department should commit to organising professional development days for Q-RIDE providers and trainers to be held at least annually.
7. That Queensland Transport develop an improved learner rider assessment process and criteria to be incorporated into the graduated licensing scheme to raise the testing standards for motorcycle licensing.
8. That Queensland Transport administer the Q-SAFE riding test to a random selection of Q-RIDE graduates who present competency certificates to be exchanged for a motorcycle licence. The purpose of this testing is to confirm that the required competencies have been met. The candidates selected shall be required to pass the Q-SAFE test before being issued with a motorcycle licence.
9. That Queensland Transport revise the Q-RIDE competencies to include additional hazard perception, other higher order skills training and awareness of safety conscious behaviours.
10. That Queensland Transport raise the pass levels used by registered service providers to determine whether trainees have achieved the Q-RIDE competencies.
11. That Queensland Transport amend the Q-RIDE training standards to require that all programs include on-road training and assessment. The department should monitor compliance by Q-RIDE registered service providers with this requirement through their auditing process.
12. That Queensland Transport devise a mandatory, standardised training curricula for all Q-RIDE registered service providers to use when delivering Q-RIDE training.
13. That Queensland Transport implement a training program to teach rider trainers how to effectively deliver Q-RIDE training.
14. That Queensland Transport implement a system to examine Q-RIDE trainers on their ability to train riders.
15. That Queensland Transport ensure that all riders who undertake Q-RIDE competency-based training participate in at least two training sessions on separate days.
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16. That Queensland Transport assist Q-RIDE registered service providers to locate suitable off-road training facilities, particularly in regional areas.
17. That Queensland Transport officers conduct a minimum of one audit per annum of the training programs provided by each Q-RIDE registered service provider. These audits shall be conducted without notice, in-person, and on-site, and are in addition to third party audits and spot audits that are generated by complaints.
18. That Queensland Transport, in conjunction with the Parliamentary Travelsafe Committee, government agencies, stakeholders and interest groups, devise a Queensland motorcycle safety strategy.
19. That Queensland Transport review the 250mL(cc) engine capacity restriction for RE class licence holders in Queensland and consider replacing it with a scheme similar to the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme administered by the New South Wales Roads and Traffic Authority.
20. That Queensland Transport, in consultation with stakeholders, examine the benefits and costs of offering financial incentives to encourage the surrender of dormant motorcycle licences and/or charging a separate fee to renew motorcycle licences in addition to the renewal fees for car licences.
21. That the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000 be amended by removing s58 (3) and (4) so that all drivers in Queensland will be required to produce their rider or driver licences for immediate inspection when requested by police.
22. That Queensland Transport review licensing requirements for moped riders.
23. That Queensland Transport continue to monitor and evaluate the effectiveness of the Q-RIDE program and comparative risks and benefits to riders compared to the Q-SAFE licensing option.
24. That Ministers report annually to Parliament on the implementation by their departments of agreed recommendations in this report. :evil:

[Boy Racer]

Good point you make Chilliman, I always thought it tough that taxi drivers only got 12 points to work with. Argue all you like that they should know better blah blah blah.........fact is more on the road more exposure. I notice the last 20 or so K in to Melbourne (Hume Hwy) there are multiple speed camera's, some as little as a K apart. :evil: :evil:

Fact is Hanno that most taxi drivers are not great drivers and a lot that I have travelled with shouldn't have a licence at all. The Juan Manuel Fangio syndrome reigns supreme amongst taxi drivers in Sydney. A couple of them have scared me stupid and that takes a bit. Taxi drivers in general obey the road rules and if they don't then it's their livelihood they're risking. I don't drive professionally any more but why should someone get more of a go than I do??? I used to do upwards of 100,000k per year with Telstra so I know what I'm talking about.

The big issue with Vic is that the policing of speed limits is being done by a private firm who will book you at 2 k over the limit. That flies in the face of the ADR's but who's gonna take it to court. It costs too much to do that.

I don't agree with the new licencing either but I can see the need for a lot more rider training before licencing to ride on the road. I don't have an answer to that but experience is a great teacher. Size limits don't work. Look at the 250cc debacle. All the manufacturers did was make their 250's go like stink. Let's get 'em on a track and say do a lap under this time and you get a licence. Then throw things like wet corners and cars into the equation and see how they go. It's a hard one guys but what do we do.