lil tech help plz

[sandphlea]

Guys I have been eyen' a new hypercharger. I am interested in your opinions and advice.
Also, my bike has the cobra kit installed and has been jetted. Do I still need to re-jet to install the hypercharger?


Thanks in advance!!!

[ROMAD]

Hypercharger is for looks only. Even with the trap door to add air flow it still does not compare to several other intakes. Looks pretty with them butterflies flappin and all, but does nothing for performance.

For the 1800 that it is fine, they have plenty of ponies to start.
For the 1300 save your cash, do the neutron mod with a K&N filter. If you want to spend the same amount of cash and actually get a performance gain look at the:
BARONS (http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=5394&str=12&ID=461514615)
Kury (http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=2851&str=12&ID=461514615)
Thunder Tornado (http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=5173&str=12&ID=461514615)
Thunder Hurricane (http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=5413&str=12&ID=461514615)

All links are to HDL, but you can search and get them on sale other places, HDL will match prices and shipping is free. Only down side is HDL has to charge us sales tax. You can find other places that don't and that negates the shipping charge.

I have the Thunder Tornado, Redbird has the Barons. Can't go wrong with either, but as we discovered recently the Barons is a little more work to put on and take off for tuning/rejetting.

The need to rejet depends on how your bike is behaving after mods. If everything is performing fine you may not need to rejet, may just need adjustments.

After I did a bunch of reading/carb tuning one thing I discovered was very true, you may think everything is tuned great because you just don't know what it could be.

just my 2 pennies

[ROKJOK]

And here are mine....

I have a hyper on mine, and yeah..it looks bad ass....big blower thing hangin' off the side with the butterflies and all that, but hindsight being 20/20, I probably shoulda done something else since I was really going for more performance.

Rob (Romad) and Mike (redbird) have played with, re-tuned, and tweaked their 13's like nobody's business and you can follow their leads with EXTREME confidence.....

couple more pennies for ya.... :)

tjk

[2wheelsforme]

A hyper charger is NOT for looks alone. Just the K&N filter it comes with increases airflow over stock. It also has more openings. If you go with the Pro-R it also has more filter area in the top or round part of the K&N filter for more filtering without restriction. Even Spike admits he has no experiance with a Pro-R. The Hyper might not be the very best for performance but to say it does nothing, I think many will disagree!

[vtxscreamer]

I have the Thunder Tornado also and ROMAD is correct about the Hypercharger.

Listen to the ROMAD he knows what he's talking about. ROKJOK, hindsight IS 20/20.


If you hear that noise and see nothing the SCREAMER just went by!!!!!! :shock:

Later.

[prostreet78]

the kury hi five flows more air.

[ROMAD]

2wheels is right, for $260+ you do get the K&N filter and more air flowing over the filter, especially the Pro-R.


Air flow does not equal performance gains by itself, it is just a portion of the circuit to increase performance. Without altering the rest of the circuit you can, and hypercharger does, decrease your overall performance. I will speak to the 1300 because that is where I have researched and worked on. I believe the 1800 needs computer mapping to feel increase in performance, not my deal.

The Hypercharger for the 1300 comes with a jet kit:
They replace the slow jet with from a 56 to a 65. What does this mean: Slow jet = the part of the carb circuit that deals with start, idle and first 1/4 of the turn. 65 is absurd, 58 is about as high as you could possibly need. What this tells me about the Hypercharger is they are concerned with ensuring you get started, not performance. Black smoke on start will ensue, and soon your system will decrease in performance from the additional build up of black crap. Ask Redbird
They change the Main jet from stock 190 to a 185. Main jet = main fuel flow. Wide open throttle is where you see this impact most. 185 being smaller, less fuel flow = the hypercharger will not increase you overall performance.
They do not replace the Spring, so no increase for response time. They do not replace the factory needle, so they do not make an effort to stream line the fuel flow through the main jet.

I stand by my original statement, does nothing for performance, based off this. Sandphlea has a 1300, so that is why I directed this towards the 1300. 1800 may see gains based off mapping, but they hurt us 1300 guys.

If I am missing something here, please inform me because I am constantly learning.

[ROKJOK]

A hyper charger is NOT for looks alone. Just the K&N filter it comes with increases airflow over stock. It also has more openings. If you go with the Pro-R it also has more filter area in the top or round part of the K&N filter for more filtering without restriction. Even Spike admits he has no experiance with a Pro-R. The Hyper might not be the very best for performance but to say it does nothing, I think many will disagree!

I shoulda been more clear.....my bad.

I run a Pro-R as well, and yes, there are some gains, but after researching it, there were heavier performance options available to me.

I didn't mean to imply there were NO gains, and if that's how my 1st post came across that's not what I meant, but I also feel like the performance came from the trifecta of PIPES/BREATHER/REMAPPING.

Also, phlea rides a 1300, and we ride 18's wheels, and with all due respect I wonder if the rules don't change between the 2. I know the basics don't change, I just wonder if the 2 bikes are affected differently by the same mods...

Here's what I know. I'm not a trained mechanic, but I know this.

When you change how it inhales, IE airbox
and how it EXHALES, IE Exhaust

It just stands to reason that you'll have to change the way it processes its fuel intake, IE RE-Jetting.

For us 1800 guys, it's re-mapping via a fuel delivery manager of some sort, like a Power Commander or something similar.

That sounds kinda whacky though, that they provide particular jets with the purchase, given they don't really know where the buyer lives.. (atmosphere, elevation and all that crap)

IMHO, although it was rejetted when you changed how it exhales, (cobra's) to get optimum performance, REGARDLESS of what you put on the bike for a breather you should consider AT VERY least getting it on the dyno to see.

That rip off artist I work for (see 1300 for sale post... ) Brings one free of charge to the last bike night of the month on Wednesdays at Buffalo Wild Wings. It costs NOTHING, and he'll tell you exactly what to do to perfect it.

Couple more pennies.....

tjk


tjk

[!redbird!]

Here's my humble opinion. I had a Hyper Charger and now have the BAK. The BAK is better for many reasons.

1. It sucks a lot more air. You can really here it pulling in when you get on the throttle. I could here the Hyper some but nowhere near what the BAK does.

2. The hyper charger sticks waaayyy out there. I am 6'2" and got used to it, but the BAK is a lower profile than the stock air cleaner and is much more comfortable on the knees. Especially if you put any kind of forward controls on it.

3. Some of the parts that came with the Hyper (or at least the one I had) were crap. For example, the vacuum hoses. They were dry rotting within a couple of months. I just replaced the last one that I had on there from the Kury kit yesterday.

I haven't Dyno'd mine either way. But, if you go to the 1300 board you will find that the general consensus us that the Hyper 'is more show than go'. If you are going for looks pick the one you like, but if you are trying to squeeze as much performance as you can out of it consider one of the others that ROMAD mentioned. The BAK, Hurricane, Tornado......

I am going to try and get mine over on the dyno next month. I am getting really close on my tuning.

Another thing to consider it the a lot of people are waiting several weeks for Tornados and Hurricanes. It seems that Thunder just can't make enough, or likes to take a lot of days off.

Also, the Tornado, Hurricane and BAK all come with a better jet kit. As ROMAD said the jet kit that comes with the Hyper Charger is a joke. Also, the BAK comes with block off plates for Pair Valve Removal.

Hope this helps.

Mike

[sandphlea]

WOW, thanks for all of your replies...I am interested in performance and looks are a plus. I am an old school hot rodder. In my younger says I build a few street rods. I hope tuning a bike out isn't as hard for my old bones and brain to handle!

I'd love to sit around and have a couple beers and talk this stuff out some time. Who all here is in navarre?

I don't like to drink and ride so the closer the better :)

[ROKJOK]

Navarre here.

We have a recall roster that has our names...locations... and email addresses on it, but you have to add to it to get a copy.

If you'll email me your contact info to tj@krocksthebeach.com I'll put you on it, and send you a copy.

REAL Name
Handle
at LEAST Cell number, and any other numbers you wanna add
City
Bike

I'm in Navarre, 'bird is in Navarre, MRickrode is Navarre, but hey.....that doesn't stop ANYONE...lmao

99% of us will ride between "The View", "The Fort", Navarre, "The Breeze" for a beer and some hang out time......we're a social family around here brother...all you EVER have to do is name where you're gonna be for a beer, and one/some of us'll generally show up.....