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Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 06:56 PM

After thinking about the little bit of info that we got yesterday from Honda and looking at the picture I came to a wild conclusion: its a hybrid. Thats why they covered up the bottom of the bike and its why they made the statements that they did. It all points at nothing else. An air cooled gas engine with hybrid capability. And can you imagine the HP when both the electric motor and gas engine are run at the same time.

What do you think?

How can you explain some of their comments?

like you have never seen from any major manufacturer

A chopper

a brand new direction for Honda in the cruiser category

we will shake up the industry as never before

this exciting new machine

destined to be a real winner

Another Honda first

a whole new approach

no better time to be with Honda

http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=110&pictureid=431

spuu2kie

11-11-2008, 06:58 PM

I am at a loss for words on what you just said... Maybe a trike? Let's wait and see!

Jon's1800VTXC

11-11-2008, 07:02 PM

I think if it's a hybrid it's gonna haul azz. I'm interested to see what it really is one way or the other. I'm used to both electric vehicles and hybrids, we have the largest fleet of diesel hybrids in the world here at King County Metro Transit ;)

James O'Sullivan

11-11-2008, 07:03 PM

That would live up to the "Revolutionary" billing. They would then leapfrog the competition.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:06 PM

Evidence #1

http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/09/honda-developin.html

Biodude

11-11-2008, 07:08 PM

its all just a dream........

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:11 PM

One other bit:

In Honda's presentation yesterday they showed the Fury picture and then showed a 150cc scooter that was new. Absolutely no mention about the scooter but I thought it looked a little wierd in the back. That ties in with the Magazine article about the sizes of Hybrids they plan to build.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:11 PM

its all just a dream........

But someone has to have that dream.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:17 PM

Evidence #2

Honda's protototype Hybrid Scooter

http://i.treehugger.com/domimages/TH_honda1_030305.jpg

Lamonster

11-11-2008, 07:19 PM

Mt bet is it's a semi-auto

dbgorange

11-11-2008, 07:22 PM

I gotta say the new technology is interesting and the expanding usage of it and sending it to the motorcycle industry will make a big change and make a lot of people scratch their heads, It'll certainly be a great boost to the whole green movement.
I've really got a kick out of the ever expanding " what's next " questions and speculations, However after I see a new M109 in my driveway this spring, Honda will need to do something really impressive to get my next purchase.

Kevin Kuiper

11-11-2008, 07:23 PM

Evidence #2

Honda's protototype Hybrid Scooter

http://i.treehugger.com/domimages/TH_honda1_030305.jpg

Thats Cute! 100 + miles to the tank :?:

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:27 PM

whitlow

11-11-2008, 07:30 PM

I guess we will wait until Dec for the next clue and the who knows maybe next year more clues. They should go ahead and get it over with before they lose more sales. Thats what I think

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:31 PM

Mt bet is it's a semi-auto

Maybe the semi-auto trans is part of the whole package. Maybe their theory is that so many people will want the Hybrid that they have to make it user friendly to increase thir market. Just like a scooter. You are either on the gas or on the brakes. No shifting involved.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:33 PM

I guess we will wait until Dec for the next clue and the who knows maybe next year more clues. They should go ahead and get it over with before they lose more sales. Thats what I think

The full shot photos will be out in early December. This could be a very historic time in this industry.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-11-2008, 07:36 PM

BigRedFlamin-X

11-11-2008, 08:06 PM

Nothing in the picture or the propaganda interests me in the least. I don't know what they're doing or who they're paying big bucks to for market research, but there ain't a rider I know that's drooling over anything 'new' from Honda.

Lucky for me I'm in no hurry to unload my X. :-?

crew

11-11-2008, 08:16 PM

And this looks very close to the scooter that I saw yesterday in the Honda video. No info on what it was.

But the middle one looks very close:

http://www.greencar.com/images/highTechScoot/highTechScoot.jpg

That electric scooter looks like an urban dream ... if you could get bike and jogging path permits for it ... as well as street ...

I bet you could take that onto a service elevator and park it in your office ...

Throw a Gucci saddlebag over the seat ...

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

:crew:

DAWG

11-11-2008, 08:19 PM

I can see where your thought process is taking you. The evidence is overwhelming.

BUT.....

With the Cruiser world as a whole and the "chopper" crowd to be more specific being (dare I say it) Old School :doorag:. Would this be the best platform to Showcase this new technology. Scooters and the like I can see and even mabye a touring bike but a Chopper......

All this is gonna do is make all those that have been looking for a big bore chopper from honda to blow their collective tops.

Just my thought on this matter

Ericthered

11-11-2008, 09:51 PM

texrider

11-11-2008, 10:11 PM

Maybe the next 'big' thing from Honda isn't a large chopper. Radical new cycle technology applied to a range of machines would be a 'big thing', in and of itself.

Kevin Kuiper

11-11-2008, 10:42 PM

smbear

11-11-2008, 10:51 PM

that bike does not have a v twin in it . look at the v the rear cylinder would hit the frame . now before hal said hybrid . my thought was inline 4 . like a 1400 cc 200 horse inline 4 with a diferent kind of drive train . but the rear end looks bulged and unatural . i am going to give hal credit i think hes got it . the rear of the bike is a dead give away . personaly i am bored with honda my next bike is going to be a concours 14 . i will keep the x for now . kawi is going to sell alot of those baggers if they price it low enough .

Biodude

11-11-2008, 11:10 PM

My post was more a reference to all the hype last year with what I thought was very lacking on delivery.

Either way, no matter what they produce I will still be riding my X. That is if I dont have to prioritize my outbound cash flow. Besides, the hybrid idea is great. But as a matter of efficiency, I see it better executed in a full fairing vehicle.

Still Im all for new ideas and technology, so I hope this dream pans out.

until then

:popcorn:

nash.VTX

11-11-2008, 11:40 PM

...Throw a Gucci saddlebag over the seat ...

;) That was funny crew

Balrog

11-11-2008, 11:46 PM

An air cooled gas engine.....

What do you think?

How can you explain some of their comments?

like you have never seen from any major manufacturer

A chopper

a brand new direction for Honda in the cruiser category

we will shake up the industry as never before

this exciting new machine

destined to be a real winner

Another Honda first

a whole new approach

no better time to be with Honda

Hal,
Did they say that it was going to be an air cooled engine? I sincerely doubt it will be a hybrid.

Most likely. They did something different with the radiator. Like hiding it somewhere. Other possibilities include ABS, a different type drive system (belt or chain), or the automatic transmission unit they have developed for he DN-01. Given Honda's track record, I am skeptical about a hybrid system.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-12-2008, 12:01 AM

Honda really didn't say much that was specific. I am giving you my prediction for what is coming. If it is a Hybrid they need as much space as possible for batteries and they aren't gonna give that up for a radiator.

X'N

11-12-2008, 12:12 AM

I for one hope your wrong... I like to shift my motorcycle call me crazy.

KW7DSP

11-12-2008, 12:58 AM

I agree with Hal and Vote for a Hybred. Why in a Chopper I don't know, but I agree. I am keeping my VTX until the grave, but as a second bike and first kid on the block I am interested.

hlbVTX

11-12-2008, 01:23 AM

If it is a hybrid, the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" crowd ain't gonna like it. Imagine twisting the throttle and hearing,..............,well, nothing.

PhillyAnt

11-12-2008, 02:12 AM

How about a Goldwing hybrid version. That would be interesting and probably in the near future.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-12-2008, 03:22 AM

:agree:, a chopper just doesn't seem like the right platform. That being said, it would definately shake things up!

Oh but its exactly the right platform to open up everyones eyes to the possibilities. Would you prefer that they had introduced the first hybrid scooter? How many manly men would be screaming about Hondas poor choice by using a scooter?

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-12-2008, 03:30 AM

My last comment on ths topic until we know for sure what the Fury is.
Just remember HMC=22 and you could have had it for 19 last month.

X'N

11-12-2008, 03:50 AM

Just remember HMC=22 and you could have had it for 19 last month.

Huh? :confused:

DBoyz

11-12-2008, 06:41 AM

I think Hal is referring to the stock price.

wmmeyer

11-12-2008, 09:53 AM

My reaction to the whole thing is two-fold:

1. Its EXCITING times we live in,
2. Glad I already got my X.

bobcat

11-12-2008, 10:44 AM

:joke:Interesting thoughts Hal, I bought a new car this year to replae my 15 year old jeep. I was going to go with a Honda Hybrid but they didn't produce one this year - so I ended up with a Hybrid Camry (which I can't complain about 37 mpg avg in Colorado). I can only imagine what the "fury" would be like. The trany thoughts would not suprise me as the Camry has a CVT.

MnXRider

11-12-2008, 11:01 AM

A hybrid scooter seems like a waste. Don't they already get 50+ miles to the gallon? The gas would go bad before you could burn it all off running around town LOL. Maybe an e-85 motor...but I can't see a hybrid. I'd have to own 6 battery tenders up here in minnesooooooota :shock:

Acrotech

11-12-2008, 11:02 AM

Choppers are dead, just ask the guys next door to me. They have 4 on the floor that THEY paid $15K for at auction...very nice bikes...they offered them to me for $8500 each yesterday:dontknow: 2 years ago they couldn't keep em on the floor.

Pro Street style I think has maxed out and on the down turn as are bobbers. Trikes and custom baggers are the hot "custom" bikes in the market today.

There ain't a "biker" I know that would get excited about a hybrid anything short of a strip club....but then again those have been hybrid for a while now:joke:

I sure hope Honda has something bigger and better, but I think someone forgot to tell them the chopper craze is over and they are 10 years late. If it is a hybrid then they should have looked at the Touring market not the cruiser market :roll:

jgalfo

11-12-2008, 11:41 AM

from what I know Honda is an engine company first and formost.

the new powerplant for the world today is a hybrid.

we need to get off the gas and onto something renewable.

Honda would be in the for front again like they were for many years with their gas engines.

Hal hit it right on the head in my opinion and it would be a good fit for Honda.

they may need to choose different models for the masses but a hybrid

"IS the FUTURE"

John

2002_1800C

11-12-2008, 01:36 PM

Hmm, not sure I'd want one. Bikes are the one thing you can buy new that are still relatively easy to maintain and cheap to repair when they get some age on them. All that may go away with the Hybrid.

It is neat to see something brand new released whether I like it or not.

This is of course assuming we're actually talking about a hybrid.

KW7DSP

11-12-2008, 01:37 PM

Here is a thought. What if it is diesel. It would be a huge seller in Europe where 80% of all vehicles are now diesel. If it were a diesel with even modest performance I would buy it first in line. I change my vote. It is a Diesel.

Glennok

11-12-2008, 02:34 PM

I don't think there's enough girls riding and buying bikes to make a hybrid viable.

I certainly wouldn't buy one.

The Jester

11-12-2008, 03:12 PM

:agree:with Phillyant a Goldwing Hybrid sounds ok. Big to hide the batts. It does look Air cooled and, hybrids get to warm for that air cool. I think it's just some type of chopper and, they missed the boat on choppers. If the price is anything dn-1 crap it will bomb. I still don't know why the 1300 for 09 is not FI. I think they got it right on the VTX but, did not push them.

workman

11-12-2008, 06:07 PM

It's a chopper with variable cylinder management. In other words, when cruising, it shuts down half of the cylinders. :agree:, with myself...lol

Kevin Kuiper

11-12-2008, 06:22 PM

I guess like what Dodge is doing with their Hemi..

Lamonster

11-12-2008, 06:53 PM

:thumbup:
http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=97

Kevin Kuiper

11-12-2008, 06:59 PM

:thumbup:
http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=97

Now just who are all those Guys :D

Hardway

11-12-2008, 07:11 PM

Glennok wrote:
"I don't think there's enough girls riding and buying bikes to make a hybrid viable."

I think Acrotech was talking about hybrid women...part nature, part science (augmentation etc.)

papa

11-12-2008, 07:28 PM

I love surprises:mrgreen:. Can hardly wait for the grand unveiling no matter what it is,:popcorn:

Motorbike_mike1

11-21-2008, 12:58 PM

The new Honda Fury will be a two wheeled Classic Chopper, extra fat in the rear, A nice V-twin with a naturally aspirated engine perhaps fuel injected and either the 1300VTX or the 1800 VTX based Motor with a few modifications. I look forward to purchasing one.

dbgorange

11-21-2008, 01:46 PM

Sure, O seer of seers......
Do you have the next winning lotto numbers?
Have you been talking to the great carnack?

sunnbobb

11-21-2008, 02:29 PM

From the fury photo, i like that tank, but the damn Rune style headlight kills it for me. I swear you could pack your dog in that headlight case..

wm3ff22

11-21-2008, 02:45 PM

I think you are ALL WRONG !!!!! the Fury will be a flying machine.... Its got a jet propulsion motor on the rear of that thing with 0 shaped skids on the front and back just like the Herring jet....

wm3ff22

11-21-2008, 02:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lamonster http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2054295#post2054295)
:thumbup:
http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=30&pictureid=97

Now just who are all those Guys http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

Its the Village people by one of our beloved Hondas.... Hurry Shoot em

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-21-2008, 04:49 PM

cannonfl

11-21-2008, 05:11 PM

I doubt that pic\video that was shown is even it ... I think it's going to be something much different. They have us all focused on this, while in the other hand they have the real deal.

A hybrid chopper ... Who would ever buy such a thing? A hybrid Goldwing, only good for trips in town. Aren't most Goldwings used for touring? That would make a hybrid impractical.

They took the 1800 away, so whatever it is I feel will fit that niche. Bring the Valkyrie back with variable cylinder management and belt drive - That would be sweet. :D

===

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-21-2008, 06:48 PM

BornOnFire

11-21-2008, 06:55 PM

If it is, indeed, a hybrid concept. I doubt it will be a big V-Twin for two reasons.
One, It will have to follow the rules of gas conservation. A big motor would not really make sense.
Two, There is no need for a big motor! The Electric Hybrids are torque dynamos and the heavy batteries will push the need for the lightest motor possible.

If it is a Hybrid Chopper, the rear end will have to be pretty substantial to accomodate a large and stable platform for this Technology. It will probably be one fast M'er F'er as well and sport a large Rear Tire. The weight will probably be in the higher ranks of most other Cruisers and I would imagine that the shaft drive concept will be retained too.
It will truly be a revolutionary moment if this theory of ours is true. If the technology is sound and dependable, we may be witnessing the birth of a new generation of two wheeled transportation. Weather or not anybody likes it, it will be revolutionary.

Chakfor

11-21-2008, 07:04 PM

A hybrid goldwing could work as a touring bike. Remember that batteries assist in acceleration and when you slow down all the excess power is channelled back into the batteries, effectively recharging them. It's possible to get 1/3 of the power used in a hard accel back in braking on my buddies Accord Hybrid and he's never had to plug his car in.

I don't know if I would have picked a chopper to unveil hybrid technology but it's not a bad idea.

Motorbike_mike1

11-21-2008, 09:22 PM

We haven't seen anything yet. Nobody is talking. My usual sources don't know anything either. All I can say is that Honda has this on maximum lockdown. Its got to be a lot more than just a fuel injected VTX1300.

Hey Hal,
Hello I am a new member here, Your DSM got his package today. he's not saying much though, I suspect we will know for sure just after Thanksgiving. Is Don L. your rep.

Motorbike_mike1

11-21-2008, 09:29 PM

excuse the off topic question but how does one post an avatar with a profile? Do I have to wait for a moderator to approve me or what? :roll: ok forget this entry ever existed I looked in the FAQ section.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-21-2008, 09:31 PM

Hey Hal,
Hello I am a new member here, Your DSM got his package today. he's not saying much though, I suspect we will know for sure just after Thanksgiving. Is Don L. your rep.

We were told the packages were late and he would see us next week. For all the trouble that Honda is going to its got to be a lot more than a VTX1300 with fuel injection. There is nothing extra special about that.

Motorbike_mike1

11-21-2008, 09:53 PM

We were told the packages were late and he would see us next week. For all the trouble that Honda is going to its got to be a lot more than a VTX1300 with fuel injection. There is nothing extra special about that.

It may be a modified version of either the VTX 1300 or the VTX1800, I guess it could have a whole new engine, But I am afraid it does have a whole new engine it would make it unaffordable to most of the general population especially with the credit crunch. Lets face it, if it is priced above say 17,000 it will be just another cool bike sitting on dealers floors soaking up those precious flooring interest charges. albeit, I think it is my next bike.

Motorbike_mike1

11-21-2008, 10:30 PM

Sure, O seer of seers......
Do you have the next winning lotto numbers? 11 18 22 33 44 & 49 :lol:
Have you been talking to the great carnack?

I am holding the envelope to my forehead.
A fat rear tire, a Vtwin and a nun,
the envelope please,
name three things that can look sexy on a Motorcycle. :-P

cannonfl

11-22-2008, 04:07 AM

Of all the things it could be it isn't a Valkyrie.

Do I get two more guesses? :cry:

Ok, throw the Valkyrie idea out the window, but I'm still not sold on it being a hybrid. I think we're going to see a 4 or 6 cylinder engine with variable cylinder management being used. Could it be a V-Quad? Still have the looks of a V-Twin...

This is interesting...
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/05/variable-cylinder-management-c.html

As for the chopper, Yamaha calls the Raider chopper inspired ... So, maybe something along those lines.

Could also include this ...
Honda Human-Friendly Transmission (HFT)
Honda has also recently announced that it has developed the Human-Friendly Transmission (HFT), a new automatic transmission system for motorcycles using Honda’s own infinitely variable hydraulic mechanical transmission.
It's claimed to be easy to operate, providing "outstanding relaxed riding comfort, riding feel with direct response and excellent transmission efficiency".

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-22-2008, 08:40 AM

Do I get two more guesses? :cry:

Ok, throw the Valkyrie idea out the window, but I'm still not sold on it being a hybrid. I think we're going to see a 4 or 6 cylinder engine with variable cylinder management being used. Could it be a V-Quad? Still have the looks of a V-Twin...

This is interesting...
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/05/variable-cylinder-management-c.html

As for the chopper, Yamaha calls the Raider chopper inspired ... So, maybe something along those lines.

Could also include this ...
Honda Human-Friendly Transmission (HFT)
Honda has also recently announced that it has developed the Human-Friendly Transmission (HFT), a new automatic transmission system for motorcycles using Honda’s own infinitely variable hydraulic mechanical transmission.

It's claimed to be easy to operate, providing "outstanding relaxed riding comfort, riding feel with direct response and excellent transmission efficiency".

The hybrid concept was something I guessed about just because Honda is going to great lengths to hide what it is. So its not gonna be something that doesn't really jump out when we finally do see it. The variable transmission could be there but I don't see them having more than one major technology on this new bike. Honda wouldn't put two or three new concepts on the bike as it would make the package too complicated to sell the new concept to the consumer.

ReRide

11-22-2008, 10:58 AM

Well, it sort of makes sense, there's a whole lot of people who what "green" technology, and if there are people who always wanted a bike, maybe like my wife, an automatic trans is just exactly what she actually talks about. Is there any speculation as to if, or what the 1800 vtx might be replaced with, or is that just a dead issue?

cannonfl

11-22-2008, 11:38 AM

Here's another...

Honda and the Future of Fuel Cell Technology

“Honda will accelerate the development of fuel cell vehicles, the ultimate environmental technology beyond the internal combustion engine,” said Mr. ***ui. “Already, the Honda FCX has reached the stage where we have begun lease sales to individual customers. By applying Honda FC Stack technology developed for automobiles, Honda is aiming to launch a fuel cell motorcycle model for lease by 2009.

http://powersports.honda.com/the_story/insidehonda/?TargetUrl=Inside/Inside_Honda_0099.asp&ArticleCategory=Behind+the+Machine&PrevPageTitle=Article+Index

And another!

Along with confirming production of the 2010 Honda V4 (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/11/honda-commits-to-2010-v4-model.html), the company announced that it is developing a dual clutch transmission for use in its motorcycles. Currently called the Next Generation Transmission, it supposedly delivers faster, smoother, more efficient shifts that create less of a disruption in the power delivery. To your layperson's eyes, this looks identical to Audi's DSG transmission, widely considered the best automated manual in the world.

While we typically prefer shifting gears ourselves, both Grant and I have spent a good deal of time with the DSG transmission in the Audi R8. We find it unobtrusive, fast and intuitive to use.

Honda (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/cgi-bin/mt/mt-search.cgi?blog_id=1&tag=Honda&limit=9999) hasn't said which models the transmission will be used on, nor when it will enter production. An educated guess would place it in that 2010 V4 model; not just because the two announcements share a press release, but because that bike is likely to be a high-specification motorcycle that places an emphasis on new technology enabling peerless on-road performance rather than simply following parameters laid down by international race classes.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/11/honda-developing-dual-clutch-m.html

A great article on describing how this type of transmission works:
http://cars.about.com/od/thingsyouneedtoknow/a/ag_howDSGworks.htm

===

We know for a fact they have been working on variable cylinder management, fuel cell technology and a new transmission for motorcycles. Matching a new engine to a new transmission - Wouldn't you think that would produce a lot of buzz in the industry?

===

DAWG

11-22-2008, 04:13 PM

Whatever it turns out to be, It sure has been an interesting conversation. :doorag:

I have been very intrigued by may of the responses here and found out information that I would not have otherwise known. :thumbup:

Cool

DAWG

BornOnFire

11-22-2008, 04:42 PM

Quote from this link: http://powersports.honda.com/the_sto...=Article+Index

"The new vehicle (125cc Fuel Cell Scooter) is based on a “universal platform” 125cc scooter of the kind that can be found in use by commuters worldwide. Honda’s engineers conserved space by locating the electric drive system on the rear-wheel swingarm, allowing the newly “miniaturized” Honda FC Stack fuel cell to be placed in the center of the vehicle, with auxiliary systems arranged compactly around it. The result is a scooter comparable in size to an internal combustion engine vehicle of the same class."

This could explain the ample room up front, the small tank, and the obscurred mid and rear section's in the recently released FURY pic! Honda's efforts to release this technology in a Chopper could be an attempt to demonstrate the flexibility of the technology along with an attempt to make a fuel cell bike look "Cool" and gain a wider range of acceptance. A revolutionary Chopper Bike would also generate some buzz around the Bike world based on the popularity of the now dying Chopper Bike craze....Would people buy one? That's the $10,000 question.

The day the FURY pic came out, I suspected a Hybrid, but the idea of Zero-Emission Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology in a Chopper Styled bike is revolutionary and Genius. That would be unexpected!:yikes:

harcosparky

11-22-2008, 05:51 PM

But I am afraid it does have a whole new engine it would make it unaffordable to most of the general population especially with the credit crunch.

Something tells me Honda American Finance Corporation has money to lend. ;)

Bassdude404

11-22-2008, 06:13 PM

ra3boy

11-22-2008, 06:53 PM

I read most of this thread, and lots of talk about a hybrid bike..I really don't see a huge market for that type of powertrain...My 1300 gets over 40 mpg, which is waaaay better than either of my cars....Most folks buy a bike for the freedom of being on two wheels...I know that sound cliche', but it's the truth....How many of those "tree hugger" types do you see riding around on cruiser bikes????...I can't think of even one...most of the guys I know want a bike that they can feel, and hear the engine between their knees...If Honda is releasing a hybrid engine in a chopper style bike, they've really missed the mark this time...Such a shame that the company that set the world on end in 1969 with the CB750, has resorted to this type of thinking....:(

Regarding above statement:
Well, I'm a proud owner of 2008 Toyota Prius:firstplace:. Lifetime MPG(15+K miles) is 51.2 .
While I do not hug trees, but I do consider myself pro green person-my second car, gas sucking Nissan Murano, is barely driven.
I just sold my F (my third VTX in 5 years) and looking for 2008 N model in Candy Orange. Should Honda release a Hybrid Motorcycle
of any kind, I'll be the first one to make a deposit.:bowdown:

Bassdude404

11-22-2008, 06:59 PM

ReRide

11-22-2008, 07:37 PM

I've been watching this thread. Honda is doing very forward thinking research with cars and motorcycles. Now maybe the big 3 American Auto makers are thinking of things similar to Honda, but if they were, why aren't we hearing about it! And if they were, maybe they would be in better fiscal shape.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

11-22-2008, 09:18 PM

Regarding above statement:
Well, I'm a proud owner of 2008 Toyota Prius:firstplace:. Lifetime MPG(15+K miles) is 51.2 .
While I do not hug trees, but I do consider myself pro green person-my second car, gas sucking Nissan Murano, is barely driven.
I just sold my F (my third VTX in 5 years) and looking for 2008 N model in Candy Orange. Should Honda release a Hybrid Motorcycle
of any kind, I'll be the first one to make a deposit.:bowdown:

I had thought about getting a Prius but didn't. A friend of mine has one and on Friday his regular 12 volt starter battery went bad. He found out the hard way as it controls the memory chip for all the electronics on the car and it had to be towed to the dealer so that the chips could be reset. Cost him over $300 for that.

ra3boy

11-23-2008, 07:15 PM

I had thought about getting a Prius but didn't. A friend of mine has one and on Friday his regular 12 volt starter battery went bad. He found out the hard way as it controls the memory chip for all the electronics on the car and it had to be towed to the dealer so that the chips could be reset. Cost him over $300 for that.
Hal, tell a friend of yours to visit: http://priuschat.com/forums/
12V battery has nothing to do with car's ECU. Moreover, it can be jump- started as any regular car battery.:!: There was more to it than just the battery.
Anyway, let's keep this motorcycle related: since Prius will become a separate brand name, we might see a two wheel Prius one day?!:smile:

Motorbike_mike1

11-23-2008, 08:11 PM

We were told the packages were late and he would see us next week. For all the trouble that Honda is going to its got to be a lot more than a VTX1300 with fuel injection. There is nothing extra special about that.

There is always something special when it comes to motorcycles Hal. Thanks for putting up this neat site for us like minded Motorcycle enthusiast to chat on Hal. Good Idea, Doesn't hurt business none either I bet. ;)

I found it by just typing in The New Honda Fury in the google search bar.
nice chatting with you bye.

RayJay

11-23-2008, 09:59 PM

Just want to watch this thread,,,

Nicksterdemus

11-23-2008, 11:54 PM

Is it here yet, is it here yet, is it here yet?

BornOnFire

11-24-2008, 01:55 AM

Not yet, it's still November.....waiting patiently.....(better be worth it, right?):popcorn:

HIPPY_MAILMAN

11-24-2008, 02:41 AM

soo IF they are making a hybrid and it looks like a chopper
more power to em
cause that hybrid car the prius is ugly as sin:barf:

BD APL

11-24-2008, 07:57 AM

I like the VTX for it's straight up, visceral, slam-you-back-in-the-seat go when I roll the throttle. The 40 MPG it gets is a nice fringe benefit, but it's not really part of the consideration. I agree that they've missed the bandwagon on the chopper, but who knows, maybe some folks will be interested. Guess we'll all have to wait and see...:dontknow:

Nicksterdemus

11-24-2008, 09:22 PM

Fists of Fury or fart in a whirlwind?

Well, you don't tug on Superman's cape

You don't ride no guy named Jim

You don't pull the mask off the ole Lone Ranger

And ya don't fart into a whirlwind....

Rich_VTXOA

11-25-2008, 11:48 AM

<snip>
so I ended up with a Hybrid Camry (which I can't complain about 37 mpg avg in Colorado

It's amazing to me how people will accept less and think it's great.

I had a 2002 Corvette coupe, 350hp V8, 0-60 in less then 5 seconds. On two trips to FL I hand calculated gas mileage at 31.8mpg. Then I see people *happy* with 205hp and 37mpg. Just crazy, I guess *you get what you settle for*.

RayJay

11-25-2008, 12:06 PM

It's amazing to me how people will accept less and think it's great.

I had a 2002 Corvette coupe, 350hp V8, 0-60 in less then 5 seconds. On two trips to FL I hand calculated gas mileage at 31.8mpg. Then I see people *happy* with 205hp and 37mpg. Just crazy, I guess *you get what you settle for*.

Guess my 89 Vette gets around 22, but I normally have my foot in it some.

But then again my Camry which gets 35 or so only cost me 21K,,,, NEW

I would of had to pay a lot more for a New Vette,,, Like 3+ Camrys,,;)

It isn't sometimes settling for less it is what is forced upon us.

My Camry was the best bang for what "my buck" would get.

Rich_VTXOA

11-25-2008, 12:14 PM

It isn't sometimes settling for less it is what is forced upon us.

Hmm...

Yes, they could put the same powertrain and computer software from the Corvette into other vehicles. I guess we do have things forced upon us!

Mikevtx05

11-25-2008, 05:55 PM

i just did a quick search for honda fury, i see hdforums.com has a link back to a post here about the fury.

Nicksterdemus

11-25-2008, 05:58 PM

Fists of Fury or fart in a whirlwind?

Well, you don't tug on Superman's cape

You don't ride no guy named Jim

You don't pull the mask off the ole Lone Ranger

And ya don't fart into a whirlwind....

Survey sez..................Fart in a whirlwind.

On the + side I won't have to ask to cease the applause...

vtxbronco

12-02-2008, 03:06 PM

i have a strong feeling this new bike will be at least 2000 cc's
with a 240 rear,belt driven 6 speed..or keeping there flagship 1800 engine..
it just makes no sence to shelve such a reliable big vtwin..:dontknow:

my guess ,the prototype will be unvieled at the jacobs javits center, the international
motorcycle show in manhattan in early january 2009...my hunch..

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-02-2008, 03:45 PM

I hate to break your heart but we have been told its a 1300 engine with fuel injection and a 200 rear tire.

The biggest questions are: what does it look like and where is the radiator?

vtxbronco

12-02-2008, 04:17 PM

I hate to break your heart but we have been told its a 1300 engine with fuel injection and a 200 rear tire.

The biggest questions are: what does it look like and where is the radiator?

we love ya hal...but im betting your sources are wrong on engine size..
better yet, another new bike yet to be introduced,if above is accurate..
we have never seen a motorcycle company "downsize" a V-TWIN
so im still scepticle...:D

jgalfo

12-02-2008, 04:24 PM

I hate to break your heart but we have been told its a 1300 engine with fuel injection and a 200 rear tire.

The biggest questions are: what does it look like and where is the radiator?

and how does the price compare to the current 1300 VTX?

or

is the current 1300 VTX going away in the near future?

John

KW7DSP

12-02-2008, 04:45 PM

VTXBronco,

I believe Hal's source is Honda. I would count that as a reliable source.

lh4x4

12-02-2008, 04:54 PM

It has the VTX1300 engine. Yawn!

Big Mac

12-02-2008, 04:58 PM

I have an 05 civic hybrid (44mpg), I have got 48 mpg with no ethanol, could you Imagine what a bike would get. :thumbup:

I haven't been in the newer civic hybrids, but when the electric motor kicks in you can feel the added hp.:mrgreen:

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-02-2008, 05:37 PM

we love ya hal...but im betting your sources are wrong on engine size..
better yet, another new bike yet to be introduced,if above is accurate..
we have never seen a motorcycle company "downsize" a V-TWIN
so im still scepticle...:D

I think that Honda corporate feels its their duty to do their best to make a cool motorcycle that uses less gas. And if they did their homework they probably know something that we don't. Maybe there is an untapped market for a bike just like this is going to be.

Tombstone

12-02-2008, 06:38 PM

I'm trying to be optimistic on this one, but I'm just not able to generate a whole lot of excitement over it all. I guess our only option is to form up in the "Wait and See" que and hope Honda has something that'll knock our socks off.

Nicksterdemus

12-02-2008, 07:29 PM

a cool motorcycle that uses less gas. And if they did their homework they probably know something that we don't.

Yep, word has leaked out folks. In order to be a better steward of the blue marble Honda has announced a buy back program for the gas guzzlin' 1800 coupled w/incentives for the new Furry.
Be kewl, hug a tree and burn less gas. All while impressing environmental hippy chicks.
Goin' green is groovy...

RayJay

12-02-2008, 08:58 PM

I think that Honda corporate feels its their duty to do their best to make a cool motorcycle that uses less gas. And if they did their homework they probably know something that we don't. Maybe there is an untapped market for a bike just like this is going to be.

One complaint I've always had with the `1800 was the poor gas mileage compared to a HD. But I've always thought the fun factor was worth the extra. But when I paid $4.87 for a gallon of gas this past summer out in Cal. my thinking changed somewhat.

I do think I'm ready for a different type of bike, but the Fury just isn't it. Anyway the way I've read its going to be.

HARD

12-02-2008, 10:00 PM

For whatevere it's worth. The local dealer says the 1800 is scheduled to return in 2010. Honda wants to clear out the leftovers and a new 1800 will be introduted for 2010

Nicksterdemus

12-02-2008, 11:46 PM

new 1800 will be introduted for 2010

What, the Furry II?...

Balrog

12-03-2008, 12:01 AM

It has the VTX1300 engine. Yawn!

That has not been confirmed. Quite frankly, I doubt it. It will be a new 1300 engine. I don't think Honda has ever reused the identical engine in a newer model. It will be a 1300cc engine, but I sincerely doubt it will be the 1300 vtx engine.

Balrog

12-03-2008, 12:06 AM

For whatevere it's worth. The local dealer says the 1800 is scheduled to return in 2010. Honda wants to clear out the leftovers and a new 1800 will be introduted for 2010

I think your dealer is smokin crack. There may be a 1800cc bike in Honda's future. However, doubt it will be a VTX model. Unless, there is a dramatic makeover. I sincerely doubt the 1800 VTX will return in form we know today. It won't sell if they bring it back.

tom cat

12-03-2008, 02:11 AM

I was out riding my 1800C today the fuel light came on at less than100mi on that tank, not normal but it can happen. I love this bike, but I also own three cars that get better mpg. The 1800 is a former, bad boy on the block in the cruiser market. It is, what it is, I am happy with the one I own.
The Furzzy may sell some units among the crowd that bought Big Dog, and Big Bear, choppers.Only those who wish they could ride. Those who are in for show wont be impressed, Those who tried to ride those bikes may be temped.
I have a brother who is trying to sell me his chopped HD, but I have no use for such a bike.

looney

12-03-2008, 11:06 AM

once again honda's way late in the style dept. the streched chopper look is past old.

race66

12-03-2008, 01:10 PM

choppers are incredibly popular at bike night around here. if the fury actually is a factory chopper at a low price and somwhat customizable.

look what a bigdog et al costs. knock a considerable amount off (honda could) and it could sell.

we'll have to see what happens

Big-G

12-03-2008, 01:56 PM

I love the torque and power of my 1800...but like RayJay pointed out....to much of this and long distance touring on the 1800 is painful. This is this past summer in the Grand Canyon area...

Poison

12-03-2008, 02:42 PM

That has not been confirmed. Quite frankly, I doubt it. It will be a new 1300 engine. I don't think Honda has ever reused the identical engine in a newer model. It will be a 1300cc engine, but I sincerely doubt it will be the 1300 vtx engine.
I don't know....why make TWO 1312CC 52 degree v-twins?
Certainly they needed to make a few changes to accommodate the FI...and the top of the 1300 engine is pretty ugly, so they will have needed to address that.
I'll bet it is basically the same 1300 VTX engine with a few tweaks...and we will see it in the VTX (or an as yet unnamed new cruiser) as well. No sense limiting it to a chopper that probably wont sell too many copies.

Not a hybrid, not electric, its a chopper

No new photos available.

Frame to be color matched to bike

Cables inside handlebar

Specs for 2010 Honda Fury

Fuel Inj 1312cc liq cooled 52 degree v-twin engine

5 spd shaft

Wheelbase 71.24 in"

Rake Caster Angle 38.0 Degree Total 32.5 frame

Seat hght 26.69 in"

Fuel Cap 3.4 gal

Frt Tire 90/90-21 Rear Tire 200/50-18

Curb Weight 663 lbs

Hobbit

12-03-2008, 04:02 PM

Some guy who just joined the site, and one and only post, is a link to supposed spy pics. I don't think they are of the Fury. It's more like a custom VTX chopper.

lh4x4

12-03-2008, 04:03 PM

Yes, it will be an upgraded 1300 adding fuel injection.

lh4x4

12-03-2008, 04:06 PM

There goes Honda again. It needed to be 100 lbs less. All their cruisers are too heavy.

TASSY5

12-03-2008, 04:21 PM

well, the big question, <<<<<<

WHEN WILL WE KNOW more ABOUT THIS BIKE ? :popcorn:
Rather then speculation?:dontknow:

Nicksterdemus

12-03-2008, 09:48 PM

It needed to be 100 lbs less.
They know what, where & how, but they aren't concerned.

TorqueLover

12-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Who Cares, it is going to be Lame.:roll: :roll:

Deadstroke

12-04-2008, 01:12 PM

I hate to break your heart but we have been told its a 1300 engine with fuel injection and a 200 rear tire.

The biggest questions are: what does it look like and where is the radiator?

I got a pretty good Idea on what bike this was modeled after if it is the same then the Radiator is under the seat or it is under the bike..

venarius

12-04-2008, 05:39 PM

reading all this... I'm exited to see what the Fury really is.

Hybrid? I don't know, I think it would be introduced into a standard MC first... as we all know the cruiser crowd ain't driven by technology on the whole. Otherwise, we wouldn't be driving V-twin bikes, some of the most innefficient power/cc output engines.

Air cooled? Possibly, but not likely IMO as honda doesn't do too many air cooled bikes nowadays.

My bet...

The Fury is nothing more than a VTX1800 engine (maybe upgraded or bored out a bit) wrapped in a chopper frame with a hidden radiator, and a fat tire out back. If anything, I think the great tech leap you all speak of on the Fury would be ABS standard. thats something I will be looking for in my next bike, much more so than fuel cells or fat tires.

But only time will tell.

Just Sayin'

:mrgreen:

KW7DSP

12-04-2008, 05:59 PM

Venarius,

You haven't been reading this thread have you. All your comments were answered several times.

venarius

12-04-2008, 06:13 PM

Venarius,

You haven't been reading this thread have you. All your comments were answered several times.

Actually I thought I read the whole thing. but apparently missed hals 'its a 1300 fi" comment.

Anyway, remove the engine component and the rest of my thoughts are still valid. I still think any big tech leaps in this bike would include ABS, not any sort of diesel or hybrid tech.

And, if its true, and its only a 1300, Honda really really really really missed the boat here.

I would love a DN-01, but its small engine is whats keeping me off one (that and I still like to shift myself).

A kick ass cruiser chopper from Honda would have my $, provided it had the balls to run with the big dogs. And, sorry to say, 1300 doesn't cut it. especially if I pull up to another nice chopper and he says 'whattaya got in there' Personally, to me, it would be embarrassing to say 1300cc...

I think Honda saw that the VTX 1300 sold better than the 1800 and translated that into a better engine, when in reality I believe it was more pricing (what, about 4k less) and cadence of the single pin, along with the lower COG lending to quicker responce handling. Lets face it, most cruisers are after the Harley $, and if it sounds more like a harley, it will sell better to the masses.

Personally, one of the reasons I bought my 1800 was that it DIDN'T sound like a harley, but I'm in the minority for sure.

If this new 'fury' only holds 1300ccs of oomph, I'll be on a YamiStar Raider ever before this next Honda.

Just Sayin'

:mrgreen:

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-04-2008, 06:30 PM

well, the big question, <<<<<<

WHEN WILL WE KNOW more ABOUT THIS BIKE ? :popcorn:
Rather then speculation?:dontknow:

Latest word is early January for dealer ordering with a big ad campaign in December to hype its coming.

DAWG

12-04-2008, 06:37 PM

Latest word is early January for dealer ordering with a big ad campaign in December to hype its coming.

Well, Isn't this December:mrgreen:

Just Kidding

Thanx Hal for any information

DAWG

cybrhick

12-04-2008, 07:31 PM

Actually I thought I read the whole thing. but apparently missed hals 'its a 1300 fi" comment.

Anyway, remove the engine component and the rest of my thoughts are still valid. I still think any big tech leaps in this bike would include ABS, not any sort of diesel or hybrid tech.

And, if its true, and its only a 1300, Honda really really really really missed the boat here.

I would love a DN-01, but its small engine is whats keeping me off one (that and I still like to shift myself).

A kick ass cruiser chopper from Honda would have my $, provided it had the balls to run with the big dogs. And, sorry to say, 1300 doesn't cut it. especially if I pull up to another nice chopper and he says 'whattaya got in there' Personally, to me, it would be embarrassing to say 1300cc...

I think Honda saw that the VTX 1300 sold better than the 1800 and translated that into a better engine, when in reality I believe it was more pricing (what, about 4k less) and cadence of the single pin, along with the lower COG lending to quicker responce handling. Lets face it, most cruisers are after the Harley $, and if it sounds more like a harley, it will sell better to the masses.

Personally, one of the reasons I bought my 1800 was that it DIDN'T sound like a harley, but I'm in the minority for sure.

If this new 'fury' only holds 1300ccs of oomph, I'll be on a YamiStar Raider ever before this next Honda.

Just Sayin'

:mrgreen:

I'm sure all those V-rod boys are embarrased to say their bike is only 1250ccs. At least until the light turns green.

The point is, nobody knows what this bike will or will not be until it is released. Why count it out before you have seen it? It may not even be a VTX engine at all. Why not wait and see what they bring to the table before you trash it? It very well may be nothing more than a fancy 1300 VTX, but then again, it could be ..............

venarius

12-04-2008, 09:20 PM

I'm sure all those V-rod boys are embarrased to say their bike is only 1250ccs. At least until the light turns green.

The point is, nobody knows what this bike will or will not be until it is released. Why count it out before you have seen it? It may not even be a VTX engine at all. Why not wait and see what they bring to the table before you trash it? It very well may be nothing more than a fancy 1300 VTX, but then again, it could be ..............

Well the 1250 Vrod engine is a higher revving sportbike engine bored out and placed in a 'cruiser-esqe' chassy. The VTX engines in contrast make their power much lower, and peak out in revs and HP lower than the V-rod.

Its not the 1300cc that bothers me about it. If they put a bored out RC-51 engine (still well under 1300cc) that thing would haul.

But a 1300 vtx engine? Not so much.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anythings wrong with a middleweight cruiser engine that has more than enough power for most cruising needs.

I'm simply saying that, especially in a flagship cruiser (notice the 1800 is more than likely disapearing off the roster), its gotta have class matching, if not class leading performance to compete (that is, until they start putting Honda's name on every mug, T-shirt, Dog-sweater, earing, and air hockey table like some un-named comany might do...).

I'm not trashing it before I see it. I'm merely speculating on the might might nots as everyone here.

And given the current 'go with' info hal got, its a 1300 vtx engine. If so, my rant holds.

But I'm really hoping Honda proves all of us wrong here...

Just Sayin'

:mrgreen:

Nicksterdemus

12-04-2008, 09:26 PM

V-rod boys are embarrased to say their bike is only 1250ccs

The main thing that I didn't care for on the V was it's small size. Any number of bikes in that size range will leave it wanting. Ya not gonna throw hard bags and big shields on 'em. As well I'm not interested in a small motor that spins higher rpms when I could have a larger motor, spinning less though @ a small weight disadvantage.
But, for you other folks I've copied some HD-V material that ya might wanna glance over.

Year: 2009
Model: VRSCF V-Rod® Muscle™
Vehicle Type: VRSC™
Price: C$22,864
Color: Brilliant Silver
Engine: Revolution®, 60° V-twin
Displacement: 76.3 ci (1,250 cc)
Bore x Stroke: 4.13 x 2.83 in. (105 x 72 mm)
Torque: 86 ft. lbs. (116.6 Nm) @ 6,500 rpm
Compression Ratio: 11.5:1
Fuel System: Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection (ESPFI)
MPG Rating: 42 highway / 34 city
Clutch: Multi-plate with diaphragm spring in oil bath
Cooling: Liquid
Exhaust: Satin chrome, straight-shot side pipes
Length: 92.8 in. (2,357 mm)
Weight: Dry: 640 lbs. (290.3 kg)
Running Order: 673 lbs. (305.3 kg)
Ground Clearance: 4.8 in. (121.9 mm)
Wheelbase: 67 in. (1,702 mm)
Fuel Capacity: 5 gal. (18.9 l)
Oil Capacity: 4.5 qt. (4.3 l)
Seat Height: Laden: 25.6 in. (650.2 mm)
Unladen: 26.7 in. (678.2 mm)
Primary Drive: Gear, 117/64 ratio
Transmission: 5-speed
Final Drive: Carbon fiber belt
Brakes: 4-piston front and rear
Tires: Front: 120/70ZR-19 60W
Rear: 240/40R-18 79V
Rake: 34°
Trail: 5.6 in. (142.2 mm)
================
Model Type Sport
BASE MSRP(US) $17,199.00
Dealers Harley-Davidson Dealers
Warranty 24
Insurance Get a Quote
Engine:
Engine Type V Twin
Cylinders 2
Engine Stroke 4-Stroke
Cooling Liquid
Valves 8
Valves Per Cylinder 4
Valve Configuration DOHC
Compression Ratio 11.5:1
Starter Electric
Fuel Requirements Premium
Fuel Type Gas
Transmission:
Transmission Type Manual
Number Of Speeds 5
Primary Drive (Rear Wheel) Belt
Wheels & Tires:
Front Tire (Full Spec) Dunlop® 120/70 ZR19 60W
Rear Tire (Full Spec) Dunlop® 240/40 R18 79V
Brakes:
Front Brake Type Dual Disc
Rear Brake Type Disc
Technical Specifications:
Wheelbase (in/mm) 67 / 1701.8
Fuel Capacity (gal/l) 5 / 18.9
Performance
Horsepower (bhp): N/A bhp
Torque (Ft Lbs): 86 lbs
Redline RPM: 9000 RPM
============
same super-smooth 60-degree liquid-cooled DOHC, eight-valve, Revolution 1250cc V-Twin that powers all ’Rods. The Muscle comes in a 121 hp/85 ft-lbs flavor.
Acceleration is ferocious from roughly 6,000 rpm all the way to redline
In 2008 the VRSCDX Night Rod Special's Revolution was boosted from 1130cc (69ci) to 1250cc (76ci), producing a claimed 85 ft·lbf (115 N·m). @ 7000 rpm, and peak horsepower of 125 at the crank, a slipper-clutch was also added, as was an ABS option
2009 muscle The VRSCF puts out at the crank a claimed 86.00 ft lbs (116.62 Nm) of torque at @ 6500 rpm, which is slightly more torque than the other VRSC models, at a slightly lower RPM. Claimed peak crank horsepower is down slightly from the Night Rod Special, at 122 at a 500rpms lower as well.
=====================
The Revolution engine
The Revolution engine is based on the VR-1000 Superbike race program, developed by Harley-Davidson's Powertrain Engineering team and Porsche Engineering in Stuttgart, Germany. It is a liquid cooled, dual overhead cam, internally counterbalanced 60 degree V-twin engine with a displacement of 69 cubic inches (1130 cc), producing 115 horsepower (86 kW) at 8250 rpm at the crank, with a redline of 9000 rpm. [1] [2] It was introduced for the new V-Rod line in 2001 for the 2002 model year, starting with the single VRSCA (V-Twin Racing Street Custom) model. [3] [4]
A 1250 cc Screamin' Eagle version of the Revolution engine was made available for 2005, and was present thereafter in a single production model from 2005-2007. In 2008, the 1250 cc Revolution Engine became standard for the entire VRSC line. Harley-Davidson claims 123 horsepower (92 kW) at the crank for the 2008 VRSCAW model. The VRXSE Destroyer is equipped with a stroker (75mm crank) Screamin’ Eagle 1,300 cubic centimetres (79 cu in) Revolution Engine, producing over 165 horsepower (123 kW). VRSC (V-Twin Racing Street Custom) models. At first it was used in a single model called V-Rod. By 2006, the line had been expanded to five consumer model V-Rods, including the standard V-Rod, the "roadster-styled" Street Rod, the long and low Night Rod, and the VRSCSE² Screamin’ Eagle V-Rod with 1,250 cc big bore kit. 2007 saw the addition of further models like the VRSCDX "Night Rod Special" and the VRSCA being replaced by the VRSCAW with a 240 wide rear tire (up from the 180 rear tire on the "A")
===========================
2006-VRSCR Street Rod specs

Length 93.7 in.
Seat Height 31 in.
Ground Clearence 6.7 in.
Rake (steering head) 30 deg.
Fork
Angle 32 deg.
Trail 4.3 in.
Wheelbase 66.8 in.
Tires D207F radials
Front 120/70ZR-19
Rear 180/55ZR-18
Fuel Capacity 5.0 gal.
Oil Capacity 4.5 qts.
Dry Weight 617 lbs.
Wet Weight 650 lbs.
Engine Liquid-cooled, 60 degree V-Twin
Bore x Stroke 3.94 in. x 2.84 in. (100 mm x 72 mm)
Displacement 69 cu. in. (1,130 cc)
Compression Ratio 11.3:1
Fuel System Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection (ESPFI)
Final Drive Belt
Transmission 5 - speed
Brakes 4-piston front and rear
Front rotors 300mm, dual 1-piece floating
Rear rotor 300mm, single uniform expansion
MSRP $16,495 - $16,740
The pegs and foot controls have been moved to a more standard mid-mount position. This change alone provides better cornering clearance over the V-Rod which, with its forward controls, used your heel as the warning that you were about to drag hard parts.
To get even better cornering clearance, the entire bike has been raised a little more than an inch. The seat has also been raised and is now 31 inches high, which puts it in the sportbike and standard neighborhood, instead of the cruiser world's dimensions.
Maybe the most noticeable performance upgrade from the V-Rod is the new inverted fork, held together by a set of gorgeous “aero-cut” triple clamps. As different as the Street Rod may be for Harley, some things—such as beautiful styling— never change.
Those inverted forks are raked 32 degrees, compared to the V-Rod's 38 degrees. Despite that change, trail actually increases from the V-Rod's 3.9 inches to 4.3 inches on the Street Rod, but only because the bike sits higher.
New Brembo four-piston calipers grab larger, dual 300mm rotors, which are attached to cast aluminum wheels with 10 staggered spokes.
With the gas tank still located under the seat, the new seat height allowed room for a five-gallon fuel tank, 1.3 gallons bigger than the V-Rod's.
The engine remains untouched except for the new freer flowing, dual straight-shot exhaust pipes, which freed up five ponies, according to company spokesmen, meaning a jump from 115 hp to 120 hp.
The company bills the Street Rod as a “Hot Rod Roadster.
===========================
NEW SCREAMIN’ EAGLE DESTROYER A QUARTER-MILE SPECIALIST
"...VRXSE Screamin’ Eagle V-Rod Destroyer, a 165+hp, professional-level drag-racing motorcycle designed exclusively for competition...
is designed specifically for competitive drag racing at various levels and race tracks, including a new All Harley Drag Racing Association (AHDRA) Pro class to be introduced for the 2006 racing season
It’s a turn-key bike tuned to make sub 10-second quarter-mile runs in the hands of a pro-level rider.
The Screamin’ Eagle Destroyer is powered by a 1300cc (79 cu.in.) V-Twin Revolution liquid-cooled racing engine with 105 mm cylinders and a new 75 mm stroker crankshaft. The cylinders feature high-strength ductile iron sleeves. The forged pistons produce a compression ratio of 14.0:1. Special high-flow racing cylinder heads feature CNC porting, competition valves, springs, seats and keepers designed to work with new high-lift/duration cams. New 58 mm throttle bodies have tuned velocity stacks.
A racing transmission features modified input, actuator, and output shaft assemblies and an MTC multi-stage lock up clutch with an electric-over-air shift system. The chain final drive utilizes a 530 DRZ chain, the same as the one used on the Screamin’ Eagle/Vance and Hines Pro Stock Bike racing motorcycle. The front and rear sprockets are designed to facilitate easy track-side drive ratio changes. A three-piece, 2-into-1 ceramic-coated exhaust system features stepped headers and a turn-out collector. The engine is tuned to run on U4 racing gasoline and makes peak horsepower at 9700 rpm.
=====================
VRXSE Screamin’ Eagle V-Rod Destroyer features:
1300cc (79 cid) Big Bore Revolution Racing Powertrain:
105 mm bore x 75 mm stroke
Stroker crankshaft
Modified engine cases
High-strength ductile iron cylinder sleeves
Forged high-compression pistons
High-flow racing cylinder heads and racing valve train
Deep oil pan
High lift/duration cams
58 mm throttle bodies with velocity stacks
Racing transmission with MTC multi-stage lock up clutch and electric-over-air shifting
Ceramic-coated 2-into-1 exhaust with turn-out collector
14.5:1 compression ratio
Racing wheels:
Front: 3 x 18 wheel with 3 x 18 Dunlop Screamin’ Eagle slick tire
Rear: 6 x 18 wheels with 7 x 25 Dunlop Screamin’ Eagle slick tire
Single disc front brake
Solid rear struts
Wheelie bar with side panels
530 DRZ chain final drive
Friction steering damper
Braided, coated brake and clutch lines and control cables
Programmable shift light
Two-stage launch box linked to shift lever and ECM
Race-programmed ECM
Screamin’ Eagle Race Tuner
Race-position riders and drag handlebar
Emergency shut-off tether
Rear-set footpegs and brake lever
Deep bucket seat
CVO Screamin’ Eagle paint and graphics scheme in Electric Orange and Black...

Nicksterdemus

12-05-2008, 05:50 PM

So, even if Honda came up w/1300cc motor w/shorter stroke/larger bore/4-V heads and spun it fast enough to overtake the #'s one the 1800 I wouldn't be interested...

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-05-2008, 10:30 PM

Another trusted source confirms the chopper with a price:

http://motorcycledaily.com/05december08_hondachopper.htm

Grof

12-06-2008, 02:17 AM

Honda has recently shown its dealers some sneak-peek images of a brand-new direction they will be taking. The bike is the 2010 Honda Fury which is a 1300cc raked-out chopper (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2008/11/30/motorcycle-news/honda-fury-chopper-motorcycle/#) that will be introduced to the US market early next spring. Apparently we will receive more information later in December. The pictures sent to dealers intentionally had the bottom-half of the bike blurred out. Speculation on the boards (http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206227) is rampant that this bike might be a hybrid with a gas and electric motor!
UPDATE: We have received some additional pictures courtesy of Spanish website SoloMoto of the rumored Fury undergoing some testing in Arizona. The bike is clearly not a hybrid

Grof

12-06-2008, 02:26 AM

http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/grof2000/hondafury2.jpg?t=1228544623

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-06-2008, 09:15 AM

hondamike25

12-06-2008, 10:39 AM

its not a hybrid.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-06-2008, 12:13 PM

its not a hybrid.

I agree but what is it?

We don't really have any info from Honda yet so try and tell us what it is.

sspawn27

12-08-2008, 08:48 PM

Well whatever it is it's got everyone talking :mrgreen:

Up north here there is still alot of buzz for the "chopper" look, seems like we are always behind. The big thing is that it's big money to get one, one shop now has an OCC bike for $40k I haven't seen it yet but friends have. Must kit bikes (big dog etc.) run around $50k and if you have it built custom $60k+ So there are alot of riders that would buy a $14-18k chopper with the reliability of Honda, at least here.
I enjoy my VTX and will be hanging on to it for awhile, custom enough to make it my own :mrgreen:

Scotrod1965

12-08-2008, 08:51 PM

Liquid cooled, with the radiator behind the transmission/in front of the rear wheel, like the prototype pic above??????

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-08-2008, 11:42 PM

Liquid cooled, with the radiator behind the transmission/in front of the rear wheel, like the prototype pic above??????

-This is the only photo that anyone has seen>

http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=110&pictureid=431

VTX Slayer

12-09-2008, 12:23 AM

It looks like a Raider wannabe. IMHO

cybrhick

12-09-2008, 12:27 AM

I don't see the slightest resemblance to a raider.

VTX Slayer

12-09-2008, 12:29 AM

Oh yeah, it's a great picture to argue overnojoke

VTX Slayer

12-09-2008, 12:30 AM

The headlight, the rake, the color

VTX Slayer

12-09-2008, 12:32 AM

Honda should bring back the Rune. That was a bike!

Nicksterdemus

12-09-2008, 07:33 AM

Oh! You slay me...

Joe T

12-09-2008, 09:39 AM

Speculate all you want. The ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS:

Does it have a tank seam like my '03 1800C?? Man, ya' just gatta give Honda credit for bringing tanks seams tot he cruiser market!!! What inovation!

:yikes:

Joe T.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-09-2008, 10:59 AM

Everyone needs to wait and see what it looks like before they post comments on bad info. Honda should be releasing more info this month. Then we can all start with our criticisms. Remember "Its a Honda" what more could you want?

DBoyz

12-09-2008, 11:08 AM

Everytime I see that photo for some reason I see a trike. Don't want to start rumors and Hal is right we have just have to wait.

Wood42

12-09-2008, 11:20 AM

I'm guessing it's gonna be a chopper with hardbags. Thats what i would want. hope it has a big rear end. I don't know where the rest of you are from. But the fat tire craze is still here. I am seeing alot more bobbers and some old school/new school rat rod kinda stuff. I like it all. one have one of everything if I could afford it! well, wouldn't own HD! but that's another board.... well was another board!! LOL

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

12-09-2008, 12:40 PM

I'm guessing it's gonna be a chopper with hardbags. Thats what i would want. hope it has a big rear end. I don't know where the rest of you are from. But the fat tire craze is still here. I am seeing alot more bobbers and some old school/new school rat rod kinda stuff. I like it all. one have one of everything if I could afford it! well, would own HD! but that's another board.... well was another board!! LOL

I saw that picture before but it still is amazing. Good photography.

Mikevtx05

12-09-2008, 12:40 PM

i talked to the parts dept. at the local honda shop last night and they havent even heard of the fury

sunnbobb

12-09-2008, 01:13 PM

Since we are guessing, my guess is that Honda saw what people are paying for custom choppers and boobers (Big dogs, etc), and figured they could introduce a highly sculpted machine with a reliable engine. They probably also saw how cool some of the VTX mods have been.

I'm guessing it's a VTX makeover, along the lines of what the builders are already doing to their VTX's.

We saw this with the evolution of the Goldwing from naked to tourer and shadow to VTX.

Do i win a donut?

crew

12-09-2008, 01:30 PM

i talked to the parts dept. at the local honda shop last night and they havent even heard of the fury

... that and the "ground fix" ... ;)

but ...

opinions vary ....

all blessings ...

crew

:crew:

Hobbit

12-09-2008, 01:58 PM

More secret photo's about the Fury!!!

The designer's of the Fury:
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/29/m_c53c325043a6485e9f9cf436c393e323.jpg

The factory where it's built:
http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/57/m_e67493f2561d426e88072c3ad7960877.jpg

The Furys being built:
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/5/m_eb40cd2051114899a0b9412abbfefc6c.jpg

In other words, someone needs to fire the photographer!

hlbVTX

12-10-2008, 02:57 AM

I'm still puzzled by the open space under the gas tank. That has to have been done that way, either some part intentionally left off the bike before the fuzzy pic was taken or something photoshopped out. Some are seeing trike in the pic. I think most all are agreed that it has chopper genes. How about a chopper trike? There is still that matter of the gaping hole under the gas tank. Hmmmmmm...???...???...???

tomccc

12-10-2008, 09:05 AM

Take a look at many of the choppers on the internet, mags & TV and you will see a similar open space. Don't see any deal with it. Just a common part of the design. A higher back ridge and smaller tank can allow for the open area. Just my opinion. Thanks for reading. Tom C.

looney

12-10-2008, 10:51 AM

thAT's what happens when one streches a frame

Retrorocketeer

12-10-2008, 12:35 PM

As far as this thread goes, who cares about the fuzzy Fury pics, I am fascinated with Wood42's avatar! That is one fantastic shot of whoever! Kudos to the photographer! Classy yet not too revealing; Classic black and white; Beautiful and tasteful!:firstplace:

Deadstroke

12-10-2008, 12:38 PM

NastyNate

12-10-2008, 12:38 PM

I pretty much stopped reading at his post because of the avatar :)
+1 LMAO:popcorn:

VTX Slayer

12-10-2008, 04:59 PM

I don't think we need another Big Dog or HD wannabe

CT Dakota

12-10-2008, 08:31 PM

Well I think I will see it in about a month. I read that they are introducing it at the NY bike show. :D

mrwhatshisname

12-11-2008, 12:16 AM

( hijacked) I think "wood42" avatar rates right up there with "scarmouche's" old avatar

Kruzer

12-26-2008, 12:50 AM

Do a search and you will see that Honda has been working on Hybrid scooter/motorcycle technology for at least 4 years. This may also explain why they have been so slow to bring out new bikes. They knew that this hybrid stuff was just around the corner and it will be a wide open market place for them. The first adopter of new technologies has an advantage. Lets see what they do with it.

So what your're saying is while other brands have been upgrading their big cruisers or just coming out with new models that their loyal buyers have been asking for, Honda has been working on a scooter you can plug in next to your cordless drill or a chopper that most likely will be redesigned by people like many on this board have done with the VTX. If they want to run with the hybrid theme. do it with the cars, suv's or the ever loveable minivan. I've been around bikes for around 30 yrs, been to many rallys and hauled bikes working for a transport company and never heard anybody say I wish my bike had an electric motor to save gas. The 35-40 mpg range just doesn't cut it. They are still a great company that's given the biker some great models. Not just street bikes but dirt as well. I hope while they are reinventing the scooter or designing another rendition of a chopper, they also think about the biker who just wants the big twin cruiser. It seems to be working for the other guys.

VTX1300cnME

12-26-2008, 07:44 PM

( hijacked) I think "wood42" avatar rates right up there with "scarmouche's" old avatar

I agree, I was sad to see Scarmouches' go. . . unfortunatley I'm sure wood will get a memo about "being PC for a workplace". . Though I see no issue with either of theirs.

To make this on topic. . . aww he!! my "on topic" comment would probably get this thread bombed.

Wood42

12-27-2008, 12:54 PM

I agree, I was sad to see Scarmouches' go. . . unfortunatley I'm sure wood will get a memo about "being PC for a workplace". . Though I see no issue with either of theirs.

To make this on topic. . . aww he!! my "on topic" comment would probably get this thread bombed.

maybe you should be working in your workplace and not visiting forums!! What does your boss think of that?

VTX1300cnME

12-27-2008, 01:10 PM

maybe you should be working in your workplace and not visiting forums!! What does your boss think of that?

shhhh. ;)

I luckily have a job that when it's quiet, they're pretty open (within reason) to what we can do.

Wasn't trying to bash on your avatar, like I said, both yours and Scaramouche's are/were awesome. I don't see the issue with having those type avatars provided there is no nudity.

Just from the previous pattern of scar's and HDKLR (who both had awesome avatars) being told to change them. . . matter of time.:cry:

Wood42

12-27-2008, 02:41 PM

shhhh. ;)
Just from the previous pattern of scar's and HDKLR (who both had awesome avatars) being told to change them. . . matter of time.:cry:

it is now!

Big Mac

12-27-2008, 02:58 PM

I can't take it! The Fury is a big tease!

Its like walking in the mall with your wife and she says "Can you believe how they dress now!", and you can't help but look around to see what you missed.

Ok, I give in here it is! THE FURY!

http://glamgirlcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/honda-cub.jpg

mrwhatshisname

12-27-2008, 06:44 PM

the first thing I will change on the Fury is gonna be the gas tank. I wonder if I can swap my 1800 tank on it. It needs a bigger tank. :doorag:

ghost rider

12-28-2008, 12:22 PM

you can see it on http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/honda-fury-finally-gets-tested-and-spied-ar67820.html

I think it is pretty ugly

sixwillwin

12-28-2008, 04:44 PM

you can see it on http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/honda-fury-finally-gets-tested-and-spied-ar67820.html

I think it is pretty ugly

:roll:

How many times do we have to go thru this (regarding the pic).............:dontknow:

Chicago-Spike

12-28-2008, 05:53 PM

you can see it on http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/motorcycle-news/honda-fury-finally-gets-tested-and-spied-ar67820.html

I think it is pretty ugly

That isn't it :roll:

We'll try this again.

This IS the Honda resleased photo of the Fury taken from the dealer web-show
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/Chicago-Spike/Spikes%20custom%20Bars/Honda_Fury_dealer-thumb-415x253.jpg?t=1229709233

This is NOT the Fury, this IS an old picture of an 1800 R&D bike from 2003;
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/Chicago-Spike/Spikes%20custom%20Bars/HondaSpy3qs-thumb-415x287.jpg?t=1229709296

The top photo IS the picture Hal posted, and it IS of the new Fury. The Fury will have a 1300 EFI engine, shaft drive and a 3 galln tank. You can see color choices in a few threads, but that is the base; 1300EFI, Shaft drive, small tank, and ABS option

scup

12-28-2008, 09:47 PM

That isn't it :roll:

We'll try this again.

This IS the Honda resleased photo of the Fury taken from the dealer web-show
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/Chicago-Spike/Spikes%20custom%20Bars/Honda_Fury_dealer-thumb-415x253.jpg?t=1229709233

This is NOT the Fury, this IS an old picture of an 1800 R&D bike from 2003;
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b181/Chicago-Spike/Spikes%20custom%20Bars/HondaSpy3qs-thumb-415x287.jpg?t=1229709296

The top photo IS the picture Hal posted, and it IS of the new Fury. The Fury will have a 1300 EFI engine, shaft drive and a 3 galln tank. You can see color choices in a few threads, but that is the base; 1300EFI, Shaft drive, small tank, and ABS option

Honda shoulda done alittle more work on that 1800 from '03 ... think they woulda sold more of those with some more detailing then this thing they are calling The Fury... but time will tell

It amazes me how Honda was almost in the curve back in '03 when OCC and the like were on top... now that the craze has about vanished... Honda steps up to the plate in the bottom of the 9th with no one on and 2 outs :roll: :roll: :roll:

Rawman

01-06-2009, 02:43 PM

www.FuryIsUnleashed.com (http://www.FuryIsUnleashed.com)

January 16, 2009

rtoledo

01-11-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote from this link:

The day the FURY pic came out, I suspected a Hybrid, but the idea of Zero-Emission Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology in a Chopper Styled bike is revolutionary and Genius. That would be unexpected!:yikes:

I really dislike how the advertising geniuses have been able to get people to buy the great lie that hydrogen vehicles are ZERO emissions, they forget to tell them that it takes 10 times more energy to make that hydrogen (energy that usually comes from burning coal which is very dirty even in the new power plants with scrubbers, atomic that lasts upwards of 35000 years and no one wants stored in their state , or diesel from venezuela and all ra head countries)

anyways I'm keeping my 1800 til I die bro. and so are my 2 sons :dontknow:

oh and if you are buying your hydroen at your local store in Greenland then my appologies, as that is ZERO emission hydrogen made from pure natural 100% steam from the ground.

rtoledo

01-11-2009, 09:09 PM

Honda shoulda done alittle more work on that 1800 from '03 ... think they woulda sold more of those with some more detailing then this thing they are calling The Fury... but time will tell

It amazes me how Honda was almost in the curve back in '03 when OCC and the like were on top... now that the craze has about vanished... Honda steps up to the plate in the bottom of the 9th with no one on and 2 outs :roll: :roll: :roll:

I don't know why call it lack of advertising on their part as to why so many did not sell , my local dealer here had 6 brand new never sold 2006 models when I purchased mine, and after I did I looked around and found many more on ebay brand new never sold.

I'm heartbroken that they would kill the 1800, but hope it will be re-introduced in a couple of years, will see, I know they won't put out anything that competes with their cash cow the wing, but hope is springeternal

cannonfl

01-12-2009, 10:32 AM

I really dislike how the advertising geniuses have been able to get people to buy the great lie that hydrogen vehicles are ZERO emissions, they forget to tell them that it takes 10 times more energy to make that hydrogen (energy that usually comes from burning coal which is very dirty even in the new power plants with scrubbers, atomic that lasts upwards of 35000 years and no one wants stored in their state , or diesel from venezuela and all ra head countries)

anyways I'm keeping my 1800 til I die bro. and so are my 2 sons :dontknow:

oh and if you are buying your hydroen at your local store in Greenland then my appologies, as that is ZERO emission hydrogen made from pure natural 100% steam from the ground.

Here's another way to produce hydrogen:
Purdue researchers demonstrate their method for producing hydrogen by adding water to an alloy of aluminum and gallium.

http://www.physorg.com/news98556080.html

Chicago-Spike

01-12-2009, 11:33 AM

The International Motorcycle Show site has it being released at the New York show, so it looks like it will happen;
http://www.motorcycleshows.com/motorcycleshows/Home+Page+News/Honda-Fury-Makes-its-World-Debut-at-the-New-York-I/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/574068?contextCategoryId=37754

rtoledo

01-12-2009, 09:42 PM

Here's another way to produce hydrogen:
Purdue researchers demonstrate their method for producing hydrogen by adding water to an alloy of aluminum and gallium.

http://www.physorg.com/news98556080.html

interesting! problem is and I did look it up before posting, this process uses gallium which is extremely EXPENSIVE and rare and so far has only been used in super high speed semiconductors (I remember 15 years ago when they first started making prototype processors and memory chips that were faster than the liquid cooled Crays of the day )and solar panels for satellites.
the article says the process "could" work for small engines as in lawnmowers "theroretically" of course the expense would make it useless eitherway. specially when windmills make electricity for little cost and is truly ZERO emiisions, couple that with new inovations in lithium batteries and you can have a 100 miles minimum car fully loaded with today's current tech.

/ˈgæliəm/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English)) is a chemical element (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element) that has the symbol Ga and atomic number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_number) 31. Elemental gallium does not occur in nature, but as the Ga (III) salt, in trace amounts in bauxite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite) and zinc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) ores. A soft silvery metallic poor metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_metal), elemental gallium is a brittle solid at low temperatures. As it liquifies slightly above room temperature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_temperature), it will melt in the hand. Its melting point is used as a temperature reference point, and from its discovery in 1875 to the semiconductor era, its primary uses were in high-temperature thermometric applications and in preparation of metal alloys with unusual properties of stability, or ease of melting; some being liquid at room temperature (Ga-In eutectic, 75% Ga, 25% In, mp = 15.5°C).

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

01-13-2009, 09:30 AM

interesting! problem is and I did look it up before posting, this process uses gallium which is extremely EXPENSIVE and rare and so far has only been used in super high speed semiconductors (I remember 15 years ago when they first started making prototype processors and memory chips that were faster than the liquid cooled Crays of the day )and solar panels for satellites.
the article says the process "could" work for small engines as in lawnmowers "theroretically" of course the expense would make it useless eitherway. specially when windmills make electricity for little cost and is truly ZERO emiisions, couple that with new inovations in lithium batteries and you can have a 100 miles minimum car fully loaded with today's current tech.

/ˈgæliəm/ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English)) is a chemical element (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element) that has the symbol Ga and atomic number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_number) 31. Elemental gallium does not occur in nature, but as the Ga (III) salt, in trace amounts in bauxite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite) and zinc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc) ores. A soft silvery metallic poor metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_metal), elemental gallium is a brittle solid at low temperatures. As it liquifies slightly above room temperature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_temperature), it will melt in the hand. Its melting point is used as a temperature reference point, and from its discovery in 1875 to the semiconductor era, its primary uses were in high-temperature thermometric applications and in preparation of metal alloys with unusual properties of stability, or ease of melting; some being liquid at room temperature (Ga-In eutectic, 75% Ga, 25% In, mp = 15.5°C).

Why not nuclear fission?

rtoledo

01-13-2009, 09:42 PM

Why not nuclear fission?

Hal as soon as you get that working let me know, I will become your best friend ;)

Chicago-Spike

01-14-2009, 06:54 PM

Well, so much for the hidden wires and cables, can't tell if there's a rad up front or not, at the very least the rad is well hidden up front if it is, not bad, but certainly a ways from ground breaking and new;

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/images/HondaFury.jpg

MnXRider

01-14-2009, 06:56 PM

Where'd that pic come from??

Chicago-Spike

01-14-2009, 07:07 PM

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/

MnXRider

01-14-2009, 07:09 PM

huh. sweet

workman

01-14-2009, 07:14 PM

Well at least they put the front rotor on the right side this time out. Not horrible looking, just disappointing.

armor_dan

01-17-2009, 01:10 AM

Went to the Javits Center today. Saw the Honda Fury. Nice machine, although the presentation of the bike leads me to believe that it will be a price point bike - not a lot of chrome or pizazz. It's a 1300cc, still shaft drive but with hidden shock and aluminum swing arm. Silver painted motor only option, as well as the wheels. In my opinion, the best thing Honda can do to this bike is paint the side covers to match the bike (big chrome stylized side covers makes the bike look a lot like a scooter in my opinion), polish the wheels and rear diff, chrome plate or polish the swingarm, and give an option to have a black or dark metallic gray motor with polished fins, and this would be perfect for me.

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/armor_dan/2009%20Motorcycle%20Show/2009MotorcycleShow029.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/armor_dan/2009%20Motorcycle%20Show/2009MotorcycleShow027.jpg

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i109/armor_dan/2009%20Motorcycle%20Show/2009MotorcycleShow028.jpg

I was told the 1300 motor for this bike was revamped a bit, all of the wiring was tucked away very nicely, the radiator fits inbetween the two front downtubes, but isn't finished-off looking at all. They were taking pricing polls, asking people what they think it would MSRP at. I hope this bike comes in below $10k

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

01-17-2009, 10:19 AM

Well now we know exactly what it isn't. Its not a hybrid and its not electric. But for the rumored $12,000 its a very clean motorcycle. The biggest questions remaining are:

1. How much HP?

2. How much room is in the rear fender and did Honda attempt to make it easy to put a bigger tire back there?

3. What happened to the hidden cables? Somehow that got lost in between the prototype as shown and the bike with the VIN plate which indicates its a production model. Looks like the code for the Japanese factory is 2HFSC compared to Ohio which was 1HFSC.

vtxbronco

01-17-2009, 11:05 AM

anyone notice the tripple tree's...man, the top portion is realy thin....:shock:

Shredder

01-19-2009, 02:11 AM

Scrawny! Those tubes, so much empty space. Argh.

Chicago-Spike

01-24-2009, 11:37 AM

ATTENTION ALL HONDA EXECS!!!!!

You should be thanking Hal for the free viral publicity of your new toy the Fury. If there had not been anything started here, you would have not gotten near the response at the New York Motorcycle show as you did. You know this to be true, we here know this to be true. Instead you criticize Hal and this site from behind your closed office doors. Shame on Honda

Lawrence McKenna
Former VTX 1800, Shadow 1100, and Shadow 700 owner
St. Charles, IL. 60175

mrwhatshisname

01-24-2009, 01:06 PM

:agree:well put Spike

TorqueLover

01-24-2009, 01:24 PM

troyw

01-26-2009, 12:03 AM

Well, I think Honda should give up cruisers. The only thing they've got going
for them is a couple nice sportbikes and dirtbikes. But, even they seem a bit
boring when compared. This is coming from a guy who, for the last 25+ years has been riding mostly Hondas. I now have an 05' VTX 1800 C that I've dolled up a bit, and I do like it. Is it competitive with what's out there now? On most levels, not really. But it is a great bike. They're just boring, safe. The Fury exemplifies this. They think they're being all edgy and out of the box, when it the real world it's just a fairly cheap looking "chopper" with a miserly 1300 engine. It's got a few things okay with it, but still looks like Honda is just still behind. Compare the Fury to, say, the Raider, and the Fury pales. That, and it took Honda this long to come up with something like that, while the chopper craze has really died down for a couple years now. Too little, too late. Now I also hear they're discontinuing the VTX 1800? They are SO complacent.
One thing that keeps me coming to Honda is reliability. But, I did have one
Yamaha YZF600R that I bought new and had for a year. It was also rock solid and never had a hiccup or problem.

looney

01-26-2009, 10:54 AM

while i do like the yzf600r, i really don't care for the fury or the raider. i think manufacturers need to focus more on bikes like the vtx, improving not only the bikes but the accessories to go with it.

Poison

01-26-2009, 11:19 AM

Compare the Fury to, say, the Raider, and the Fury pales.To each their own...but the raider is one ugly mo-fo. As someone so aptly put - the radier "looks like a mistake" :lol:
The Fury is much cleaner and nicer looking by far.

troyw

01-26-2009, 01:21 PM

Well, I've not heard that. I've seen the Raider, and thought there was still work to
be done, but I think I'm talking about what you get. It just seems to me that
Honda skimped on some things, even on a new bike like this meant to get
attention. I do agree, though, that the Fury is pretty clean looking. One thing
about my VTX I can't stand is wires and brake cables hangin' in the breeze for
all to see. I'm trying to get my courage up to run the wires through the bars.
I'm just not real good with a soldering gun...LOL!

race66

01-26-2009, 07:59 PM

Compare the Fury to, say, the Raider, and the Fury pales.

It was compared to the raider and several others...

http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213153

The women would agree with you. they like the raider.

the guys?

nope.

Honda needs to price the FURY.... LOW!!

With the 113cu inch raider at:
MSRP*$13,990 (Liquid Silver w/Flames) Available from September 2008
$13,790 (Raven) Available from September 2008

The fury needs to come in substantially lower!!

:firstplace:

troyw

01-26-2009, 08:58 PM

Women like the Raider? Wow...it's a big bike.
I'm just sayin', sometimes the ladies don't go for a bike that big.
That being said, I myself would choose either a Stratoliner or a Warrior
over the Raider. Of course, why not go with the Vmax in either generation
and be done with it altogether...:lol:

I'll still have my VTX 1800 for a while, I'm sure. I dig it.

- T.

VACMAN

01-31-2009, 03:21 PM

Gonna see my Furry up close in about an hour:D the shows in town

Low and Mean

02-01-2009, 01:53 AM

We think the bike looks great, it seems this Chopper style will be the new trend from the manufactures. First the Raider, now the Fury, maybe a new Mean Streak is next??? Anyways we hope to see the MSRP lower than 12k, but for the first year we bet it will be up around 13k for the basic model.

Does anyone seem bothered that it's a shaft drive, seems most bikers want the belt drive look. Wonder why Honda did a shaft.

Has anyone asked their dealer about how many they will make in 2009?

LM
www.LowandMean.com (http://www.LowandMean.com)

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

02-08-2009, 02:16 PM

Chicago-Spike

02-08-2009, 03:16 PM

I saw it yesterday and sat on it. Looked it over and it doesn;t look too bad. Yeah, the wleding lines look crappy, but the stance of the bike is a lot better looking than the Raider and even the Rocker. The airbox sticks out way too far, make it look unbalanced, but as I had guessed, all the emmisions crap and spark plug wires run under a plastic chrome cover atop the cylinders. The rad is up front, between the down tubes, so that looks better than having the rad stuck to the tubes. Honda is and always will be a shaft drive company. Overall, I think Honda will sell quite a few of these bikes, but the wheels look terrible too. The black wheels, not so bad, but the wrinkle silver wheels look like cheap afterthoughts

COVTX1300

02-08-2009, 06:40 PM

I saw it yesterday and it was a lot nicer than I expected. The Fury sits real comforable like the VTX. Actually it felt a lot like a victory for comfort. I really felt a part of the bike while sitting on it. The bars sweep back further than the Raider.

It actually had a huge crowd of people waiting to sit on it so I think Honda will sell a lot of these. I would consider it for a second bike.

lh4x4

02-08-2009, 11:54 PM

I went to the Motorcycle show today near Chicago. When I got there I realized that my camera was still back home in the charger.:oops: When I looked at the Fury, I also thought that it was a much better looking bike than the photo's showed. Not that many were looking at them. There was three to set on. It did seem comfortable. The next display over was Victory. I checked out the 8 Ball. It was the same price as the Fury but much more bike and better looking.

Some manufacturers were not there this year. Maybe they thought that it was not worth the effort this year because of the economy. The crowd was bigger that any year that I have went to the show.

Kawasaki was the brand with the most improved models and was getting a lot of attention.

ironbutter

02-09-2009, 07:48 AM

... The next display over was Victory. I checked out the 8 Ball. It was the same price as the Fury but much more bike and better looking...

Yep the Fury is priced (if info in the price thread is right) way too close to the both the stunningly beautiful Victory 8-Ball and the holy grail of chopperesque cruisers in the under-$15K category, HD's Street Bob. Both have bigger motors and other features highly desirable to those who buy that type of cruiser, including an "American" badge on the tank.

Let a few rabid Hondaphiles scream "Doesn't matter it's a better bike just cuz it's a Honda!" Maybe they will buy one...but let's get real who else is going to unless Honda drops the price drastically :?:

harcosparky

02-09-2009, 08:13 AM

The next display over was Victory. I checked out the 8 Ball. It was the same price as the Fury but much more bike and better looking.

What price was on the Fury and who priced it?

As of last week, it had not been priced, though there were rumors of a $13,000 +/- MSRP price tag.

One minute ago Honda said " Price: TBD ".

Chicago-Spike

02-09-2009, 09:46 AM

ironbutter

02-09-2009, 10:47 AM

The Honda reps at the show all said it would start at $12,990 as a base and go up from there with options. Now, as I say, Honda reps don't always know everything, but I think for the public motorcycle show they have been getting a TON of "How much is it?" questions and they got the OK to give out the prices. We shall see but I think the $12,990 sounds about right

About RIGHT:?::?::?: That's within $800 of an 8-Ball and Victories tend to have soft prices. It's almost exactly the same as an HD Street Bob--still a fairly firm MSRP but the vaseline tax pretty much gone now). Given the prestigious competition this entry-level VTX with a stretched wheelbase has priced itself into, could somebody please tell me who besides a few die-hard Honda devotees would even consider buying one until it (inevitably) becomes massively discounted:?:

Chicago-Spike

02-09-2009, 11:13 AM

Jack G

02-09-2009, 12:56 PM

I'll wait and see what the market is in a couple years. I have a 5 1/2 and a 9 1/2 bike and they will still be going strong if and when I decide to buy. If I bought this year, it would not be a Honda.

ironbutter

02-09-2009, 01:24 PM

About right because the VTX 1800 was MSRP of $13,700 so $13k falls into that line. Yep, I know it's about the same as a bigger Victory and a bigger HD, but after a year or so, Honda dealers will start dropping theprice just like they did with teh VTX 1800

1800 was worth $13700 when it came out (where else could you get a turnkey 1800cc V-twin megacruiser for that...or any price?) Became a huge bargain selling under $10K only because HOA kept making way too many after there was plenty of muscle cruiser competition out there.

This Fury thing is starting out as an overpriced me-too 1300cc (yawn) cruiser. Well, unless you pretend its only competition is a BigDog or Bourget because of styling it mimmicks if you're 4 blocks away and nearsighted.

Oh well I might be wrong and it'll be a hit at $13K+. Wouldn't be the first time:dontknow:

HEADFIRST

02-09-2009, 08:35 PM

IT IS NOT A HYBRID FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. look at the honda powersports website, it is a petro burning machine 3.5 gallon tank to be precise(small). Electric bikes suck (so far), except for the one i saw at the drags...I want one.

Chicago-Spike

02-09-2009, 09:49 PM

IT IS NOT A HYBRID FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. look at the Honda powersports website, it is a petro burning machine 3.5 gallon tank to be precise(small). Electric bikes suck (so far), except for the one i saw at the drags...I want one.
Dude, read WHEN that was posted. That was WAAAAY before anyone knew anything about the bike except the name. It was a guess at what Honda was saying with "we will shake up the industry as never before" and "a whole new approach" and other mind bending catch phrases that turned out to be all crap and no shine-ola
Tone it down a few levels
At least your screen name is apropos, you dove headfirst into this thread

02-09-2009, 11:20 PM

Hate to say this but that is way to high, I would buy it over the Star Raider(or butt ugly, whatever you call it) but that is only 9 bucks less than msrp on the street bob and only a few hundred less than an 8-ball. Sorry but...............honda aint exactly the name of the game in cruisers. They last bomb they played like this was the RUNE and that was distinct!! While I truly like the bike, 12,990 is too much for a jap cruiser in this time.

02-09-2009, 11:29 PM

ironbutter

02-10-2009, 12:07 PM

Another thing I have wondered since I started playing with my 04 VTX 1800R is why can't Honda make the back of a frame look good? I feel that they should have done something better with all of these frames. I know they use shaft but so does Star and they manage to make their version of a softail look rather nice. Not like the swingarm was an afterthought to the frame. Again just MHO........

IMO the shaft drive looks fine on a VTX1800. After all, it's a heavy cruiser. Ain't supposed to be light. The Fury is another matter.

Despite all the virtues of shaft drive IMO it doesn't look right on the Fury. Though a true old-school chopper could be a shafty (seen a few made from beemers) it is not really in keeping with the custom chopper styling theme. They are almost all belt these days and the few pure-artwork jobs that don't still have chains cuz they're not going far enough to need much oiling. Simple is the key. Choppers are about minimalist simplicity and nothing mimmicks that better than 2 pulleys and a high-tech rubber band for the entire final. They got the front end of the Fury so right there's a whole thread about "it needs something up front" (that's good--the stylists get an attaboy for that) but they botched the rear with that nice-try-but-no cigar attempt at making a shaft look like it fits in back there.

Honda is a die-hard that doesn't want to accept the fact HD was right, they were wrong, and belt has turned out to be the best drive for cruisers--especially if you want to sell them!

race66

02-10-2009, 01:03 PM

They last bomb they played like this was the RUNE and that was distinct!!

HUH?? what does that mean.

02-13-2009, 08:05 PM

HUH?? what does that mean.

That means, alot of hype for something that is not particularly original. you may disagree and that is your choice but the Rune was way more of a risk than this Fury is. What happened to Honda and original ideas? Bikes like the original GL, the CBX, the VFR, and the Rune just to name a few off the top of my head

Bigdog 1

02-13-2009, 08:17 PM

IMO

Honda is a die-hard that doesn't want to accept the fact HD was right, they were wrong, and belt has turned out to be the best drive for cruisers--especially if you want to sell them!Until you have to replace the belt, then hold on to the old wallet that is after you have to get it trailered in. The driveshaft will get you home everytime. Pretrty or not it works.

02-13-2009, 09:27 PM

Until you have to replace the belt, then hold on to the old wallet that is after you have to get it trailered in. The driveshaft will get you home everytime. Pretrty or not it works.

I just hate blanket statements..Drive shafts can and will break dontcha know. Belts last long time compared to chains. Drives shafts tend to jack up way more than anything else and my VTX has nearly stopped my heart with its lack of manners in hard turning scenarios. Of course my Vt was the same way. I have owned too many makes and models to list but Hondas shafts are the only ones who make me feel like this...........flexy is the word I use...........Yamahas didn't do it and neither did the beemer. Care to tell me why? I would really like to know

Bigdog 1

02-13-2009, 09:52 PM

I just hate blanket statements..Drive shafts can and will break dontcha know. Belts last long time compared to chains. Drives shafts tend to jack up way more than anything else and my VTX has nearly stopped my heart with its lack of manners in hard turning scenarios. Of course my Vt was the same way. I have owned too many makes and models to list but Hondas shafts are the only ones who make me feel like this...........flexy is the word I use...........Yamahas didn't do it and neither did the beemer. Care to tell me why? I would really like to knowDon't think I could tell you anything, you seem to know it all.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

02-16-2009, 12:04 AM

ironbutter

02-16-2009, 07:46 AM

... Thats the Hondaspeak for the Honda Fury Chopper. It wasn't designed for all of us to love it. Just a handful.

In another thread I recall you saying something to the effect that the future of the motorcycle industry is riding on the Fury being a success. That doesn't sound like a bike for just a "handful" to love. Am I missing something here:?:

Jack G

02-16-2009, 08:17 AM

I think we need to think about what we post before we post it. Does that make sense? Take a chill pill before posting would be my advice. Honda has already made their decision and will live with the results. I am not sure why people think that Honda is gonna change their mind. Their mind is made up. The VTX1800 is gone (unless you want an older model from the warehouse) and the VT1300X is taking its place. Thats the Hondaspeak for the Honda Fury Chopper. It wasn't designed for all of us to love it. Just a handful.

Hal, does that mean they actually read this board or are you afraid it will hurt Fury sales? I think it is fairly obvious they don't care much what we think. At least that is the feeling we get when we go to the dealer. I've had several Honda bikes and a Honda car. They do give us something occasionally and I appreciate it. However, I don't think Japan thinks much of us Americans and our opinions.

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

02-16-2009, 08:48 AM

Hal, does that mean they actually read this board or are you afraid it will hurt Fury sales? I think it is fairly obvious they don't care much what we think. At least that is the feeling we get when we go to the dealer. I've had several Honda bikes and a Honda car. They do give us something occasionally and I appreciate it. However, I don't think Japan thinks much of us Americans and our opinions.

I have been told by Honda people that they didn't like what we posted when word started to leak out. I am sure that Honda reads this and even noticed that they have a Honda employee on twitter.com who answers occasional questions about anything related to Honda and posted some Fury info as part of the Honda press launch.

Pops

02-16-2009, 09:08 AM

What do you mean Honda doesn't pay attention to what is said? As far as I can see there are only a hand full of hard core cry baby complainers on here that say the same drivle over and over. Get a life. The Fury is a pretty nice bike and for the price there will be a lot of them sold. After all, what makes you few soth sayers think you represent all the Honda or VTX riders out here. In fact, 1800 riders are such a minority, they shouldn't even be considered in the marketing picture. If you can't say something good, don't say it at all. That's what Moma always said. In the wind.

Pops

Jack G

02-16-2009, 09:18 AM

Well, I'm glad they are checking out the boards. Maybe, it will help down the line. I'm sure they don't put a lot of stock in the arguments here but, maybe, they will hear some opinions which may differ from their own. That can't be a bad thing.

ironbutter

02-16-2009, 10:52 AM

However, I don't think Japan thinks much of us Americans and our opinions.

They do like our dollars though, even if they're not worth quite as much.

Yes Japan is still a very closed, very racist society which still considers itself superior to everybody on earth. Only difference is nowadays they get long with inferior people a whole lot better, as they've found it's much better to pick the pocket of "sleeping giants" than kick them in the nuts ;)

jamieP

03-31-2009, 12:13 PM

My reaction to the whole thing is two-fold:

1. Its EXCITING times we live in,
2. Glad I already got my X.

It's pretty sad that my first reaction to this pic was...OH MY GOD she's got her FLip Flops on his pipes!!!

:shock:

BigRedFlamin-X

03-31-2009, 09:14 PM

That means, alot of hype for something that is not particularly original. you may disagree and that is your choice but the Rune was way more of a risk than this Fury is. What happened to Honda and original ideas? Bikes like the original GL, the CBX, the VFR, and the Rune just to name a few off the top of my head
I can't disagree with any of this. But the sad truth is that those original ideas just don't sell enough to make the profits that keep stockholders happy.

I never did care much for the Ruin -- it was a little TOO different for my tastes. While I have to give Honda credit for bringing it to market so close to the original concept, their expectations for it were way the hell too high. But the original Valk is a great example of a good original idea that kind of petered out, for any number of reasons. More cruiser buyers wanted the rumble of a big twin than wanted the silky-smooth hum of that flat six. They also could get a more traditional V-twin from most other manufacturers for a lot less. And Honda did virtually nothing to keep it fresh during most of its life. Even though the Valk was unique to the brand, it's all about market share, and Honda's market share was just getting clobbered in the cruiser world.

What Honda is trying to do with the Fury is bring in a different buyer while at the same time making more of a splash than just tweaking the VTX1300 platform. Like the bike or not, the Fury has created a buzz. That (hopefully) gets more people into showrooms. If the bike turns out to be successful, they'll likely upgrade the rest of the VTX line with those engine and suspension changes, and with any luck some refreshed tins.

While I'd never likely buy a Fury myself, I'm curious to see first how that motor performs, and second what else they have planned for that platform down the road. If they come out with something that looks good and gets your blood pumping just a bit when you twist the wick, I'd have no problem 'downsizing'.

ironbutter

04-01-2009, 07:40 AM

I can't disagree with any of this. But the sad truth is that those original ideas just don't sell enough to make the profits that keep stockholders happy.

I never did care much for the Ruin -- it was a little TOO different for my tastes. ...

What ruined the Rune was its price. Who wants to pay several grand more than a Goldwing for a buck naked 'wing with a few gimmicky features and off-beat styling? A few people maybe, but not enough to sustain it.

Price will also ruin the Fury. Who wants to pay several grand more than a VTX1300 for a VTX1300 with gimmicky pseudo-chopper styling and far less functionality? A few people maybe, but not enough to sustain it IMO.

"Different" bikes can succeed if they're truly different and priced sanely. The Rocket3 is truly an oddball cruiser with love-or-hate styling that has enjoyed moderate success without even having the Big4 or HD to back it. Speaking of HD, their "different" bike the Vrod is doing better since price was lowered even while sales of the traditional lines have been falling off.

Seems to me Honda has put their marketing suits with half a brain over in the cage division.

oasysco

04-01-2009, 10:17 AM

Dude, read WHEN that was posted. That was WAAAAY before anyone knew anything about the bike except the name. It was a guess at what Honda was saying with "we will shake up the industry as never before" and "a whole new approach" and other mind bending catch phrases that turned out to be all crap and no shine-ola
Tone it down a few levels
At least your screen name is apropos, you dove headfirst into this thread

That's not entirely true, Spike. I'm postitive that bike has a battery in it somewhere. :-P

PiNkPaNtHeR

04-07-2009, 04:10 AM

It'll be interesting to see how she stacks up in reality. I hope to take a test ride and check her out in real time. I've posted my opinion on the Fury vs Raider thread and I'm looking forward to a real test ride. All the speculation and BS is just that.

Who do I have to contact in order to do a real 'subjective' ride review?

Having ridden everything from a 250 to a GoldWing Aspencade, I would sincerely hope that my 'opinion' counts for something in the 'real world'.

Hal - is this possible - or acceptable - to have someone like myself do a real test ride and write a review?

race66

04-07-2009, 10:10 AM

jinglebob

04-13-2009, 11:56 PM

Greetings...new here. I currently ride a Vulcan 750 and will be upgrading in a year or two.

The Fury is the first Honda I would seriously consider buying. I know Honda calls it a "chopper", but I consider it to be a mild custom-style factory bike.
It's a very handsome machine with humane ergonomics...and the very reliable 1300 engine which won't crap out on you in the middle of nowhere. I will be interested to see what type of accessories Honda and aftermarket manufacturers come up with for the Fury.

I'm going to seriously consider this one...:doorag:

Bob

ghost rider

04-18-2009, 09:49 PM

Pink Panther I would trust your opinion over a magazine any day. Im sure you would be unbiased. If you test it just post it on here i will be looking for it

Hal @ Honda Direct Line

05-30-2009, 09:28 AM

Just saw this thread again and wonder who has changed their mind? I think the Fury has gotten a lot of attention and it has a unique look to it.

rtoledo

05-30-2009, 03:06 PM

Just saw this thread again and wonder who has changed their mind? I think the Fury has gotten a lot of attention and it has a unique look to it.

I will be buying "something" next year, but it's too early to tell, I have yet to see one in real life. all 4 dealers in the Los Angeles area do not have one to look at, not even Bert's. if you can't see it, and you can't even put your butt on one, you can't really make up your mind.:mrgreen:

I can tell you the "only" bike to fit my wife is the Aero 750, she sat on all of them and I can get her a sweet deal on the Yamaha 650's but she does not like it or fit on it, and so the Aero we will buy for her next year.

ironbutter

06-01-2009, 01:17 PM

Just saw this thread again and wonder who has changed their mind? I think the Fury has gotten a lot of attention and it has a unique look to it.

Looks better in person (cameras with anything other than flat lens angle will mess up the proportions of this bike up brutally). And welds on the production models I saw don't look like painted cat vomit. Take the freakin safetynazi billboards off and the thing'll look purty darn good :thumbup:

So I've changed my mind except for 2 things that have nothing to do with looks. Too many bens for too few ponies :roll: