Let me be the first to say

[papa]

Welcome to the new Oklahoma board:D. There are some great places to ride here, especially in the NE where I am. Hope to here from all you X ridding okies.

[Yoidaho]

well now ain't that nice Papa you were able to get a state board. :pepper1:
The Idaho one has to have the dust blown off it before you can post on it.
I hope things get to rolling.
Oh heads up for that Glennok and that weird dog of his. :mrgreen: ~M

[VTXKop]

Wondered why we never had one on the site. I had heard it was because we had the heartland site. Glad to see one here now too!

[blazerman420]

Cool, us OKIE's are now on the Map!!!!! LOL

[Pops]

Well, bigger than Dallas, here it is . Gaallleee, Shazamm, here it is all along. Well, huh. This is right good, have a good one you'all. In the wind.

Pops :chicken::eat2:

ps. how do I get rid of that little edit option in the lower right hand of my posts??

[papa]

well now ain't that nice Papa you were able to get a state board. :pepper1:
The Idaho one has to have the dust blown off it before you can post on it.
I hope things get to rolling.
Oh heads up for that Glennok and that weird dog of his. :mrgreen: ~M Thanks Yoidahom, and thanks for the heads up:D. I know there are a lot of members here from OK, so maybe they will keep the dust down, and the cobwebs from growing on this board.

[papa]

There is a toy run this Saturday, Nov 15/08 in Tahlequah at 1:00. Hosted by the B.A.C.A and the Elks Lodge. Friday is supposed to be in the upper 50's, Sunday in the mid 60's and Saturday a High of 47:roll:. It will be a chilly ride but I R going:doorag:

A.M. UPDATE: Biker benefit set for children




TAHLEQUAH — The Indian Nations Oklahoma Chapter of Bikers Against Child Abuse and Tahlequah Elks Lodge will be hosting the annual Toy Run on Nov. 15. The line-up at the Northeastern State University football field starts at noon, and kickstands will be up at 1 p.m. (sharp). Motorcycles and cars are welcome. Bring a new unwrapped toy for Help-In-Crisis Angel Tree. There will be food, music and door prizes available at the Elks Lodge immediately following the toy run.
For more information, contact Help-In-Crisis: 456-0673.

[Glennok]

Oh heads up for that Glennok and that weird dog of his. :mrgreen: ~M
Thanks for giving them a heads up Marlene. Don't want the "dog" scarin' people off.

It's nice that we've finally got a place here. Now if I can just remember to stop by now and then. It sucks to get old. Right Papa? ;) :grin:

[papa]

I'm thinking the best half is still ahead of me, but my body is starting to argue with me:(.

[geterdone]

Just had to pipe in, so to speak,, Up here in northern MN. and there's snow on the ground,,, I was down to Bristo OK. last year on 4 wheel's and every mile I drove I was thinking about the bike,,, Great road's and nice weather,,,Do all the riding you guy's can and I'll be waiting for spring to happen up here,,, Wishing I was there,,,Geterdone,,,

[papa]

Good to hear from you geterdone! Hope you can make it down here some time. Let us know if you plan on it, and maybe we can put a ride together. I have found some great roads in the short time I have been here.

[Tejas_Ranger]

I answered in your other post asking about an Oklahoma board at this link http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2055320&posted=1#post2055320.

There has always been an Oklahoma board. It was just hosted elsewhere and not on the VTXOA just as some other states did.

We did this way back so we had more control and could have a picture forum along with other things for our state. We are not allowed to use the name Oklahoma VTX Riders due to problems with a 1% club in the state and the state X riders name being to simulator to a support club for that 1% club. I'm fully aware of this issue because I was the one that got threathened in '05 over this issue since the 1% club did not know how to contact the State Coordinator. We came to an agreement with the 1% club to not have any site that used the name Oklahoma in it and now we could be considered in violation of that agreement with them. I can tell you also I'm not getting in the middle of straighting this potential problem out between state riders of X's and that 1% club.

If you go to the Oklahoma site, I'm sure you would be welcomed.

I personnally think you need to ask to have this state site taken back down so we aren't in violation of an agreement we made with that 1% club. Either way you decide it's your choice and choices can cause some to get wrong ways with the 1% clubs if you don't stay informed on why things are like they are.


La Mont please consider removing this state site after reading what I wrote above. It wasn't a pleasant time in the fall of '05 when all this shinola hit the fan. Long time Oklahoma riders are aware of this and the stuff we went thru.


BTW, This doesn't need to degrade into a 1% bashing thread or the like. If you make an agreement with these people you need to do your level best to live up to that agreement. I don't want to see anyone have to go through what I had to back then. And I sure as heck don't want to see people I know get hurt over something like this. Some of us know and are known to these guys. It's not all that hard to come across them at different functions this time of year.


Tejas

[Lamonster]

This is not part of your group so I don't see it as being a violation of anything. This is just a message board just like the rest, no colors, no claiming turf.

By the way I can't even read that other board without joining and that right there is enough to keep this board where it is.

[papa]

Well it doesn't matter to me! Maybe we can change it to sooner or okie riders :D, anything to appease the, well you know :roll:

[papa]

This is not part of your group so I don't see it as being a violation of anything. This is just a message board just like the rest, no colors, no claiming turf.

By the way I can't even read that other board without joining and that right there is enough to keep this board where it is. Thanks Lamonster. Glad to see you are a stand up guy. Hope it doesn't come back to bite us:D

[Lamonster]

Your group is not part of the VTXOA but if you want a link to your board from here then how about opening it up so you don't have to join to read a post. You are the only group on this site that has this issue but I'll work with you if need be.

Tejas is correct....

We have an agreement with the local 1% groups in the area not to use Oklahoma in any related naming convention (website, shirt, patch, etc). This is just the way it is. We've had a website for the okie bunch for several years now....

www.heartlandvtxriders.com (http://www.heartlandvtxriders.com)

As the state coordinator for this site, I would request that this board be removed and a link to our site (above) be listed instead. I'll send a link to Lamont to request this as well.

I look forward to seeing some new faces over on our board!!!!

Thanks Tejas...

Buster

[00 Doc]

Welcome to the new Oklahoma board:D. There are some great places to ride here, especially in the NE where I am. Hope to here from all you X ridding okies.

Hey Papa, Glad us Okies now have this forum to communicate with each other on. :doorag:

I don't see how a message board has anything to do with a 1% issue. :confused:

[Lamonster]

Hey Papa, Glad us Okies now have this forum to communicate with each other on. :doorag:

I don't see how a message board has anything to do with a 1% issue. :confused:
:agree:
This is what we have here
Local VTX Riders and Focus Groups

[vtxBuster]

Thanks Lamonster. Glad to see you are a stand up guy. Hope it doesn't come back to bite us:D

Lamont IS a great guy, we appreciate the effort to have Oklahoma listed here. However, Tejas is correct also. He's just trying to keep those that are not aware of the issues we've dealt with, regarding local clubs, out of trouble.

Lamont makes a good point, that this forum is NOT associated with the Heartland board, therefore, we just wanted to bring the issues we've had in the past, to the attention of Lamont and the owners of this forum.

If anyone here is interested in the local message board for Oklahoma, we're more than happy to have you register. Come post up and ride with us sometime.

Buster
State Coordinator

[Tejas_Ranger]

Your group is not part of the VTXOA but if you want a link to your board from here then how about opening it up so you don't have to join to read a post. You are the only group on this site that has this issue but I'll work with you if need be.


No Problem La Mont, VTXBuster is the state coordinator now. I'm not sure why he locked the forum down over there. It may have been to do with what might have been said in regards to the issue I mentioned above. I don't really know.

I agree that this place is just a message board, but I also know some states have taken it further and have made state patches and the like.

We didn't even have that back then. It was just the name of the goup and for the record nothing that has anything close to Oklahoma or other shorthened name for Oklahoma may be used from the agreement that was made Poppa. As I said I went down that road. So did a some of the others from this state. It wasn't pleasant. As I also said I was contacted because they knew how to get a hold of me and not the state leadership of X riders at that time.

There's been enough threads on the OA to learn what's up when dealing with the clubs. Doesn't matter what or how you think of them. It's just not worth the hassle if things go south.


Tejas

[Chakfor]

Meh...Why can't we all just get along?

In all sense of the word we're not violating the agreement (as I understand). This isn't a message board, it's a sub-forum on an Owner's Association board. It isn't run, sponsored, or in any way endorsed by any Oklahoma VTX rider.

[vtxBuster]

The boards are not locked down....all anyone has to do is register on the site to read, post, etc. The moderators review and approve the registrants. We do this to keep the spammers, hackers, and other 'undesireables' out of the site.

Tejas is just trying to keep the peace....

Thanks Tejas!!

[Lamonster]

The boards are not locked down....all anyone has to do is register on the site to read, post, etc. The moderators review and approve the registrants. We do this to keep the spammers, hackers, and other 'undesireables' out of the site.

Tejas is just trying to keep the peace....

Thanks Tejas!!

I really don't understand the politics of what you guys have going on. :dontknow:

I went to your links page and you have a sponsor that is called Oklahoma Riders so I'm not sure what the big deal is.
http://www.heartlandvtxriders.com/images/banners/oklahomariderbutton.jpg (http://www.oklahomariders.com/)

[vtxBuster]

the link to Oklahomariders.com is for the guy that helped build our website. He has his own agreement with the local clubs.

No politics....it is what it is.

[Tejas_Ranger]

I think he was approached at an event a year or so ago about the name of his site. Some agreement was made so that he'd have no problem with his sites name and the clubs.

Our issue was with one of the big 4 of the 1% world and thier support club. Back then just about all states were using the OA has the main meeting place for all X'er's i.e. like the Hog National, or Southern Cruisers sites. The states would id themselves as (whatever state name) X Riders.

In this state the support club was Ok Riders. It was felt by them and the big club that Oklahoma X Riders was too close in name and might be misunderstood by the other clubs as part of them or trying to take thier name.

Shinola hit the fan over that issue.

We had to go before the CoC of Oklahoma with ten different designs of names for approval of names they had no problem with. Part of that agreement was to never use the word Oklahoma or any shorthened name for Oklahoma as our name or way to ID us.

It has been really calm and okay since the fall of '05 with that 1% club and it's support club. But it took work by a number of us to get that agreement and work all the problems out between them and us so things would be okay.

That pretty much the long/short of what happened and why I asked what I have above.

As Buster stated, I'm just trying to help keep those that did not know out of any kind of harm. Also the OA has had some members from that 1% club sign up, view, respond to posts, and recommend certain changes to certain states to help keep the peace in the past.


I hope that explains it a bit better.



Tejas

[papa]

This should have been so easy. It is just a board to communicate with other riders in the same state, who ride the same bikes. We are not planing on gathering in great numbers and try and dismantle a group of Oklahoma riders. Why the heartland riders feel the need to have everyone from Oklahoma post solely on their board is beyond me. But then I am a little thick headed as my wife would whole heartily agree with;)

[Lamonster]

This should have been so easy. It is just a board to communicate with other riders in the same state, who ride the same bikes. We are not planing on gathering in great numbers and try and dismantle a group of Oklahoma riders. Why the heartland riders feel the need to have everyone from Oklahoma post solely on their board is beyond me. But then I am a little thick headed as my wife would whole heartily agree with;)
As far as I'm concerned this is a non issue. Time to move on and use the board for what it was ment to be. No more debating for me, I've got passwords to fix.:banghead:

[Tejas_Ranger]

Why the heartland riders feel the need to have everyone from Oklahoma post solely on their board is beyond me.


As Spike wrote on the other forum post, the way it used to be done was you as a member of a state either had a forum here for your state or you had one hosted elsewhere for your state. If you count the states listed 8 others are missing also. That's because they have their own site just as Oklahoma has.

Nothing thick about that. Not all states wanted to be hosted here. They wanted more elaborate web sites than what you could get here back then.

Thanks for everything La Mont. I know you have your hands full.


Tejas

[papa]

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We had to go before the CoC of Oklahoma with ten different designs of names for approval of names they had no problem with. Part of that agreement was to never use the word Oklahoma or any shorthened name for Oklahoma as our name or way to ID us.




Tejas So basically, no one can be considered a motorcyce rider from Oklahoma cept them:roll:. I know that is just the way it is, but do you see how ridiculous and childish that really is?

[Tejas_Ranger]

So basically, no one can be considered a motorcyce rider from Oklahoma cept them:roll:. I know that is just the way it is, but do you see how ridiculous and childish that really is?

You don't understand. It was the name issue not riding a bike. You can call it what you want all you want but I also asked that it not degrade to bashing the clubs no matter what you think of the clubs. I also stated there have been enough posts on the forums to know how to deal with the clubs.


The clubs take the bike life style more serious than almost any one else that rides. They will do most anything to keep the way of life they live the way it is. Whether you or I agree with it doesn't matter one iota.


Been down this conversation road more times than I can count.


Tejas

[papa]

I know, I just could not control myself. I get it, but I just don't get it:banghead: Got it:D

[Glennok]

Ridiculous. There is not one reason why this board shouldn't exist. I'll bet there are scores of other boards out there that use Oklahoma in their name. How about sport bike boards.

This board has nothing to do with the Heartland board, and it's just a message board. It's not a club.

Tejas, I respect what you went through in the past, but I think you're carrying it a bit too far. The Heartland board wanted a patch and called itself a club. Different animal.

[papa]

I am going with Lamonster on this issue now. I am going to drop out of this debate. And hope the board stays in tack. It is solely a message board, not a club issue.:doorag:

[Tejas_Ranger]

The Heartland board wanted a patch and called itself a club. Different animal.


At the time I was a member, no we didn't. All we had was t-shirts id'ing ourselves as VTX riders from Oklahoma just as other states were doing. If any patch was worn it was the small or large version of the patch King Cobra made and sold. And the clubs didn't care for that patch either. They didn't like the starriders patch, the hog chapters, and the like for that matter.

I can't speak to that matter since then. I can only speak to what we went thru to keep our state forum going and not cause friction towards the clubs.


Tejas

[vtxBuster]

Ridiculous. There is not one reason why this board shouldn't exist. I'll bet there are scores of other boards out there that use Oklahoma in their name. How about sport bike boards.

This board has nothing to do with the Heartland board, and it's just a message board. It's not a club.

Tejas, I respect what you went through in the past, but I think you're carrying it a bit too far. The Heartland board wanted a patch and called itself a club. Different animal.

Glenn,

Our Heartland group doesn't have a patch, never have. To Papa's comment, we don't want okie riders to post solely on our board, that wasn't the intent.

Speaking as the state coordinator for the Heartland VTX Riders, we would welcome you to our board, as a long standing member here, I'm glad there's a place okies can come here as well. Post here, post there...matters not to us. We're just here to ride and socialize together. Tejas was merely stating problems we've had in the past. That's all. What you do with that info is your business. We don't want to force an opinion or idea on anyone.

Good riding....and we'll see you around on the boards!

Buster

[Lamonster]

Kickstands up, we're moving .:doorag: