Few Show Pics and Review

[nVyTcX]

I admit I was somewhat skeptical, but it was clean, and felt really, really good.
R&D guys that drove it said it handles well fast and slow, and sounds even a bit deeper than the 1300. I was sold. There were alot of good remarks, alot.

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[Lamonster]

I got to say that rear fender is growing on me. Could you tell if there was room for a 240?

[nVyTcX]

Looked like there was def room for more tire. Hondas guys even commented on that. The mono shock set up was incredibly clean, and as you sat on the bike the rear fender really hugged the tire.
To answer my own earlier question about not having the brakes on the same side was due to meeting Hondas safety standards on the geometry of this bike.
It really didnt scream chopper to me, just a really cool motorcycle.

[Poison]

The color matched frame is a nice touch. I hadn't noticed that earlier.
What is the finish on those wheels?

[TennX]

Again not that it matters but Im becoming a convert :thumbup:thanks for sharing

[Bigdog 1]

Just can't get over them not blacking out that engine:( It would totally change the look for the better since there is so much more engine showing. I'm starting to really like this bike.

[nVyTcX]

"What is the finish on those wheels?"
Seemed to be a matte slightly course aluminum, but with a coating -
looked and felt easier to keep clean.
A blacked out engine on the Limited Edition (blk and grey) would have been nice. The silver with silver wheels was really sharp though.




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[Ghost-Flame]

I'm going there tomorrow. I started out not liking it but this blue on blue appeals to me. the rear set up is nice. I'll ask about the biggest tire change and report back.

This looks pretty nice but, who does it appeal to? I already have a VTX with a 1800 motor. Would I get it for a second bike?

As long as I still have my X (the fury would be redundant) it doesn't make my top 5 bikes I would own.

A lotta Honda Marketing HOO-HAH for nothing.

Maybe I'll change my mind after I sit on it

[paddywagon]

Anybody have a full shot of the right side of the bike? Price? Availibility? Was in the dealer today and the guy had never even heard of it.

[Stutz 1]

Anybody have a full shot of the right side of the bike? Price? Availibility? Was in the dealer today and the guy had never even heard of it. Was in Dealer today he ran the Honda Pro-Mo disk for us Stated price between 13 & 14. Sound on disk was a bit lower ,throatier. No mention of when they will receive.

[nVyTcX]

R&D Fury and Honda were doing alot of interviews and filming.
Asking what price you though it was worth, what was to high - comments etc... No price yet.
One mentioned they were following what was being said online for input - hopefully that was VTXOA?
Apparently the black and grey will be the limited edition and the other colors will be full production.
I heard March and "Spring".



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[Balrog]

I'm going there tomorrow. I started out not liking it but this blue on blue appeals to me. the rear set up is nice. I'll ask about the biggest tire change and report back.

This looks pretty nice but, who does it appeal to? I already have a VTX with a 1800 motor. Would I get it for a second bike?

As long as I still have my X (the fury would be redundant) it doesn't make my top 5 bikes I would own.

A lotta Honda Marketing HOO-HAH for nothing.

Maybe I'll change my mind after I sit on it

Ghost,

Would you snap a photo of the vin sticker? I am interested in seeing
where this bike is made. One would think it would be Japan. Since they are closing the US factory in the spring.

However, since they used the 1300 engine. I would think it would come off of the same assembly line as the vtx.

The vin will show where it is built.
Thanks!

[nVyTcX]

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[VTX1652]

Made in Japan. Marysville is pushing out GoldWings and 1300 VTXs.

Carl

[nVyTcX]

Sitting on it made a BIG difference, still cant get over the feel.
Great bars, seat, tank and much lighter.

[Balrog]

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Thank you!!!

I know they are closing the US plant. But, with this bike having a VTX engine. It made more sense, to me, that the Fury would be produced on the same assembly line as the VTX. Particularly since the engine plant is in Ohio as well. I thought that they may have changed their mind. I guess not. I was holding out some hope for the American workers.

[Hardway]

nYcVtX, nice job and thanks for the pics.

Clean lines and a pretty good result for a factory "chopper inspired" bike. The blue looks like the same blue on the '09 limited edition Gold Wing.

I don't understand the $13 to $14 estimated price tag. They would sell more under $12k.

Again, they should have chromed the lower forks. It's good that they chromed the triple trees.

One thing is for sure, it will be a dependable bike.

[nVyTcX]

No problem. It was fun and exciting to see. I actually had that same feeling
when I sat on an 04c in 04 and then went and bought mine.
$11,899 would be nice! I dont think in theory it should be that much more than the VTX.

[racer x]

i think the yamaha raider is alot better looking bike than this thing....

[Cords]

Again, they should have chromed the lower forks.

And the rims :evil:

[noangel2112]

I think Honda took a step back in time, look at the rear of this bike real close and tell me if it looks like an older model VLX 600.The frame and tank have been stretched but to me they used a VLX as a template.

[nVyTcX]

My personal opinion of the Yamaha Raider was its way over thought and they just tried to over design it. Will be forgotten in a few years.

To the 1800 guys that are hating the bike (Fury), well its always a personal choice. But Id sit on it and then vent if you have to.
I really changed my opinion of it after being on it.

Ill admit I still have my reservations if $ werent an issue. Id back Honda 110% in any catergory > sport bike, dirt bike, leaf blower, cruiser, car, truck, jet, robot - but when it came to a traditional chopper, I might want a loud obnoxious, rumbling, heavy chrome one off. (seriously if I could afford it)

Ive ridden my buddys 1800 Retro and yes it was great on the highways, like a Cadillac. For back country roads and city driving it was top heavy, the balance just isnt right, Ive had Honda guys even tell me this. Probably why it isnt in as high demand anymore.

For what the times are and what the Fury is, I think Honda nailed it. Again we'll see, but I think it will do good.

[armor_dan]

Few more pics.

It's a really nice bike, but seems a bit unfinished. My guess after seeing this bike would make me believe it's a sub $11k bike. Let's hope for polished wheels, and black motor! And let's hope somebody makes a nice set of swept mufflers!

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[MR VTX]

It's kind of growing on me the more I look at it, but I'll be keeping the X for quite awhile.

I like where they put the ignition switch for the key, but I wonder if it will get bumped by a knee or something! I guess the long-legged creatures would probably be more apt to doing that.

[nVyTcX]

Short curved Mortons or really short drag pipes! Expose that clean back end. :shock:

[armor_dan]

Short curved Mortons or really short drag pipes! Expose that clean back end. :shock:

Agreed!

I wish I had known a fellow VTXer was going to the show, coulda had a cup of coffee together! Maybe this summer perhaps?

[LikeaBat]

I read one article that said it has different "cams, heads, and port design" - so it may sound and feel quite a bit different than the VTX1300 (and perhaps a bit more power)

I'd like to see one with the "standard" aftermarket stuff done:
- Custom Wheels (with a 240, of course - hopefully it fits in the swingarm)
- Polished fork lowers
- Loose the reflectors/stock turn signals, etc
- Paint (black) the engine w/ polished fins (GOTTA be done!)
- Aftermarket Exhaust

I think it would look good - but nevertheless, the plastic engine/tranny covers are going to be a giant hickey in the public opinion poll. And of course, some just will not be able to accept a Japanese-built "chopper" - kinda like a Japanese Elvis Impersonator. I gotta admit, in todays economic environment, I would prefer it if they were building it in Ohio.

I also can't help but think that the Raider (similar styling cues) has a 113 CI engine vs. the Fury's 80 CI. I really liked the sound/feel of my VTX1300 engine however, and I'm really curious about the tweeks they've done to the fury engine.

Love it or hate it, who would have ever thought that Honda would have built a bike like this??!

[nVyTcX]

Agreed!

I wish I had known a fellow VTXer was going to the show, coulda had a cup of coffee together! Maybe this summer perhaps?

Sounds good! Lets hope for an early summer, cabin fever starting to set in already.
The show yesterday helped.

[race66]

i think the yamaha raider is alot better looking bike than this thing....

I guess opinons really do vary!

The raider is definitetly not as good looking.

I've seen the raider in person many times. I've never been tempted to buy one.

The fury beats it in looks... hands down.

Now the price is the big question...

[KW7DSP]

I predict these are going to sell well even at $13,594.98. There is a lot can be done with just a few additions like 12 inch raised bars. The simplicity is what makes choppers popular and it is what will make this a competitor in the $14,000 to $18,000 custom bike market. Things like mirrors and light changes will personalize it. I like that rear fender.

Also they changed the engine to sound more like a Harley then ever before. I think this bike would have received the 1800 engine, but they went with the 1300 for the wannabe sound.

[Acrotech]

I predict these are going to sell well even at $13,594.98. There is a lot can be done with just a few additions like 12 inch raised bars. The simplicity is what makes choppers popular and it is what will make this a competitor in the $14,000 to $18,000 custom bike market. Things like mirrors and light changes will personalize it. I like that rear fender.

Also they changed the engine to sound more like a Harley then ever before. I think this bike would have received the 1800 engine, but they went with the 1300 for the wannabe sound.

If a 240/250 will not bolt in, then you are looking at $3000 to $5000 to put that size tire on this bike. Rear wheel, tire, rotor, caliper, paint, fender, swingarm, tail light, plate mount etc, plus a matching front wheel if desired. So at close to now $19000 and you still have stock paint etc. Honda could have put a 240 under this bike and probably not effected their actual production cost at all, hell they already had to make all the parts to begin with.

Then with no struts, if you want a passenger backrest or bags, well, time to get creative and narrow or zero options, it will be hard to make this into something you can ride on a overnight trip. At least the VTX had backrest options as well as easy to bolt on saddle bags that you can pop off when in town yet still load her up for a trip. So you are stuck with a bar hopper really.

I said it before, the look is just OK, not crazt about it, but I am lost at who the market is Honda thinks they are going to sell it to. Plus without a VTX (really cut their market down by dropping the 1800 IMO), they have NOTHING to offer the V twin touring guy.

[race66]

Honda could have put a 240 under this bike and probably not effected their actual production cost at all

sure coulda- one article I read said the 200 was used instead of the 240 for handling reasons. And yes it would have added some cost, wider rims = more money, wider tires = more money.

We'll have to see what the pricing comes in at.


they have NOTHING to offer the V twin touring guy

Sure don't.

When you build one of the finest tourers in the world, why would you build a bike to compete with it? :dontknow:

Besides, they couldn't sell the 1800 in large numbers WITHOUT all the crap (read $$$$) hanging on it. And the VTX1800T did squat. IMO- From Honda's standpoint, that's good money after bad.

[Brockshadow]

Sat on one today at the show in NY, spent quite a while talking to the rep.

Bike is made in Japan - 1300 fuel injected. Wheels look better in the pics than in person, powder coated gray (like the engine) and there are raised numbers and nubs on the spokes (almost like they weren't finished).

Bike has a very low center of gravity, feels alot lighter than the VTX. Rep told me it handles like a dream.

Said early spring but no price yet.

And the blue looks richer in person (pics tend to wash it out)

Brock

[cybrhick]

sure coulda- one article I read said the 200 was used instead of the 240 for handling reasons. And yes it would have added some cost, wider rims = more money, wider tires = more money.

We'll have to see what the pricing comes in at.




Sure don't.

When you build one of the finest tourers in the world, why would you build a bike to compete with it? :dontknow:

Besides, they couldn't sell the 1800 in large numbers WITHOUT all the crap (read $$$$) hanging on it. And the VTX1800T did squat. IMO- From Honda's standpoint, that's good money after bad.


Why would Honda need to make a tourer. Every posible touring addition is available in 3 or more different styles. You can build a freakin' bike a Road King dreams of being from an 1800.

[Acrotech]

sure coulda- one article I read said the 200 was used instead of the 240 for handling reasons. And yes it would have added some cost, wider rims = more money, wider tires = more money.

We'll have to see what the pricing comes in at.




Sure don't.

When you build one of the finest tourers in the world, why would you build a bike to compete with it? :dontknow:

Besides, they couldn't sell the 1800 in large numbers WITHOUT all the crap (read $$$$) hanging on it. And the VTX1800T did squat. IMO- From Honda's standpoint, that's good money after bad.

Best Tourer??? If you mean the Goldwing, first its not a v twin, 2nd it is far from the best. Plus if your 6' tall or more, good luck getting comfy on it. I see less and less of those every year around here.

All I know is here in my area we have well over 200 guys that post on the Illinois board and probably less than 20% own a 1300. Maybe the Midwest is different:dontknow:

I doubt the cost of a wider wheel and tire would add up to any more that $50-$100 for Honda. As for handling that is pure BS. A 240 or 200, you would not know the difference. I have run with guys in twisties who ride their butts off and I was on a 250 tire. Only thing that slowed me down was scraping because the bike sat so low. Anyone here that has done a 240 conversion will tell you it rides as good as the 200....so sorry, Honda really screwed up on this, much like the Rune. If this is limited production then they REALLY need some help. Who will waste time making parts for a bike that is limited? Not a big dealif money is no object I guess, just seems strange the way they handled this.

As I said, it's a nice chick bike, or maybe a first bike to buy after a starter bike or a 2nd bike to play on. It is a bar hopper for those that think an 8 hour day on the bike (total miles under 100) is a great day or riding.

[Jynxx]

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Now this is interesting. I've been wanted to know what the Fury's REAL name is (Most Honda bikes have two names) because I was assuming they would keep it in the VTX family.

And there it is. The VT1300CX.

Still got VTX in the name, so it's ok by me. :cool:

[armor_dan]

Sounds good! Lets hope for an early summer, cabin fever starting to set in already.
The show yesterday helped.

Yeah, can't wait to get the bike out. I was suprised to see that during the show, people were riding scooters out on the streets! When I left my home upstate, it was 10 below zero!

[jthree]

Well, I have to say, now I've seen it in more detail and with the color matched frame, I like it a lot more. I think the color scheme of the previous picture did not do it justice at all. That having been said, I still think the rear needs work. That fender is just wrong. Still don't understand the 1300cc but that just me.
As for the wing being the best tourer... While it is a great bike, it is far from being a cruiser style tourer with the big twin feel (like other brands) and, as has been said, I am 6'4" and simply cannot ride it.
Back to the fury, I think if they priced it under $12K they would not keep them in the showrooms for long.

Jthree

[Illusion Blue]

So,is this like what yamaha did to the warrior,just raked it out and called it another name?

[cybrhick]

So,is this like what yamaha did to the warrior,just raked it out and called it another name?

Are you talking about the raider? If so, go look at it again.

[jthree]

Are you talking about the raider? If so, go look at it again.

Hick's right... The exhaust is completely different;)

Jthree

[DAWG]

Hmm just noticed on the pics from the show that the tank does not have any markings.

I was really curious on what logo thay were going to use

DAWG

[jthree]

Hmm just noticed on the pics from the show that the tank does not have any markings.

I was really curious on what logo thay were going to use

DAWG


Check the rear fender. It has what looks like a logo.

Jthree

[cybrhick]

Hick's right... The exhaust is completely different;)

Jthree

And the engine.....etc.

[nVyTcX]

The more I look at the Fury, the more I appreciate its simple clean design and geometry - giving you the option for simple or adding on.

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[sunnbobb]

Smart marketing would have the production moved to the USA. People would feel better about buying it if they could say it was made here.

As for design, the first thing to go would be the shape and placement of the turn sigs, and the bar/instrument panel is not quite right.

A good start, but I really wish it were made in the USA.

[race66]

As I said, it's a nice chick bike, or maybe a first bike to buy after a starter bike or a 2nd bike to play on. It is a bar hopper for those that think an 8 hour day on the bike (total miles under 100) is a great day or riding.

sounds like a big potential market out there then. :)

or starter bike for first time buyers who have always wanted a chopper, but couldn't handle the price tag.

[Grof]

Smart marketing would have the production moved to the USA. People would feel better about buying it if they could say it was made here.

As for design, the first thing to go would be the shape and placement of the turn sigs, and the bar/instrument panel is not quite right.

A good start, but I really wish it were made in the USA.


sorry but I realy don't get this ida are you trying to compare it to Ford , GM, and other usa cars or you are trying to say usa cars are better then cars from Japan, or Europe. sorry I don't get it and I still like Japan made then usa I know it's going to work forever....

[piper234]

reminds me of the reble. Honda make a 1800 with fairing and hard bags dule pipes I will buy. like the street glide verison 1800VTX!

[race66]

Best Tourer??? If you mean the Goldwing, first its not a v twin, 2nd it is far from the best.

As for the wing being the best tourer... While it is a great bike, it is far from being a cruiser style tourer with the big twin feel (like other brands) and, as has been said, I am 6'4" and simply cannot ride it.

WTF??

Who said the goldwing was THE BEST TOURER??

I said: When you build one of the finest tourers in the world, why would you build a bike to compete with it?

That is my opinion, and I stand by that.

Also-- who said that a tourer has to be a V-TWIN??!!

There are tens of thousands of "tourers" on this planet that do not have v-twin power.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[nVyTcX]

The led lights in the chin spoiler was a pretty cool idea.
Wish I had thought of that.
Good VTX accessory???


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[big jake]

the back fender reminds me of my wife's 07 shadow c2, what's with the silver powder coat honda, was there a sale or what?? black the engine out and powder coat the wheels body color or offer them polished as an option, put a 240 under it, do some sort of logo or artwork on the front valve cover, otherwise very nice. couple questions though, why a 1300? why didn't you then fuel inject MY 1300? no 6th gear? do the valves still need adjusment or did we finally go hydraulic? needs apes, where do i hang the bags?

[Wood42]

two words....

it's small!!!

if you're over 6ft. don't bother. it feels like a kids toy. seems they could have done a few more things to it to make it pop. but fell short.
I would take a custom 1300 over this thing anyday of the week.
again just my opinion. but to each his own!

sad thing is, the Honda rep that was there said when I sat on it, that it was basically designed for smaller riders. average men. asked what that was, he said way shorter and lighter than me and my buddy. then kinda smirked. My wifes buddy looked good on it though!

[HD-WOO]

:thumbup: I Think is an Awesome ride... And it will reach a different type of Rider... They will see that We are not just Metrics!!! :congrats:

[HD-WOO]

:?: How about! The Price? I'm Thinking... It'll be a Reliable Bike... Remember!!! After all... It's a HONDA!!!

[TYE13C]

I initially didn't like the look of the Fury at all, but as I see more pics, the look is actually growing on me and I like its simplicity. Still not completely sold and definitely wouldn't trade my 1300c in for one, BUT, it's not as bad as i thought. Guess I just have to see one in person to know for sure. Not in dealers yet, right?

[VTXGongrider]

I initially didn't like the look of the Fury at all, but as I see more pics, the look is actually growing on me and I like its simplicity. Still not completely sold and definitely wouldn't trade my 1300c in for one, BUT, it's not as bad as i thought. Guess I just have to see one in person to know for sure. Not in dealers yet, right?


agree 100%. If its $13500 in US$, by the time it gets here in Australia it will be over $20,000 on our current exchange rate. expensive compared to my Vtx....

[scup]

The more I look at the Fury, the more I appreciate its simple clean design and geometry - giving you the option for simple or adding on.

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After putting all these together... I kinda do like the simplicity of the Fury

[Brew]

Smart marketing would have the production moved to the USA. People would feel better about buying it if they could say it was made here.

As for design, the first thing to go would be the shape and placement of the turn sigs, and the bar/instrument panel is not quite right.

A good start, but I really wish it were made in the USA.
It still wouldn't matter if they made them in the States. Some Harley guys still rag on VTX riders, even though most of our bike is/was made (not "assembled") in Marysville. Instead of harping on the "Made in USA" line, they had to fall back to a position of "Oh yeah?!? Well my money STAYED in the USA, instead-a goin' back to Ching-Chong Land, like yours did!!" It's really sad and kind of pathetic how some people can keep living in that fantasy world. Don't get me wrong, I like Harleys, but some of the people that ride them can really make the group, as a whole, look bad.

Besides, Honda never promoted the fact that the VTX or the GW are made in Ohio. I don't think they would start doing it if the Fury were, either.

First thing I'd do if I got the Fury is change out the intake and exhaust.

[kd01]

Thanks for the picks. I like the Fury. Looking at the Fury video and pics do you think this bike will fit big people? Overall it looks like it will be to small for people my size and bigger. What do you guys think?

[bignycdon]

Thanks for the picks. I like the Fury. Looking at the Fury video and pics do you think this bike will fit big people? Overall it looks like it will be to small for people my size and bigger. What do you guys think?
i am 6'3" 300lbs and my friends said the bike looked to small for me....i think it looks long enough but it is very narrow....

[ooomph]

There is no way this bike should be over the $10k mark. Seriously, it's a 1300 VTX with a stretch, rake and fuel injection (of which I'm sure was carried over from the 1800). A great deal of R&D money was not spent "developing" this bike.

I like the bike, like the look, like the fact that it's a Honda...but the fact that it's using a 1300 VTX motor (vs. the 1800) coupled with the lack of a 240+ rear tire justifies keeping this bike cheaper than an VTX 1800.

Kinda reminds me of a Pontiac Fiero with a Ferrari kit car body... It's still a Fiero, can't charge the Ferrari price.

Meh... for $13k-$15K, I'd get a Victory Hammer (100cid and a 240).

[race66]

There is no way this bike should be over the $10k mark. Seriously, it's a 1300 VTX with a stretch, rake and fuel injection (of which I'm sure was carried over from the 1800). A great deal of R&D money was not spent "developing" this bike.

Meh... for $13k-$15K, I'd get a Victory Hammer (100cid and a 240).

Huh? Maybe a very USED one. Better bring a LOT more money if you want a new hammer.

2009 Victory Hammer™ S

BASE MSRP(US) $18,499.00

http://www.motorcycle.com/specs/victory/cruiser/2009/hammer-tm/s.html


a 1300 VTX with a stretch, rake and fuel injection

Better look again... the fury has a different frame, different tank, different fenders, different wheels, different seats, different tires...

I could go on.

you get the idea.

:popcorn::popcorn:

[mrwhatshisname]

maybe some of the "improvements" will be on the 2010 vtx 1300 :doorag:

[nVyTcX]

The more I look at the Fury, the more I appreciate its simple clean design and geometry - giving you the option for simple or adding on.

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$12k seems about the right range. There was a great post somewhere on here about the average age of motorcycle riders being 42, up from 41 last year and up alot from a few years back ... hence what Honda is trying to target with the Fury at, younger and newer riders. Its not a new revised 1800 Tourer, but they never set out to make a new revised 1800 Tourer - this wouldnt be targeting younger riders and you start somehwere right? My Shadow Spirit 750 (highly customized) was a great bike!
A test drive will probably be the next step to being able to comment on the ability of the bike any further. Im 6' 2", 180 lbs and it did feel good sitting on it, it didnt feel like I was hunched over or pushed up against the tank.
As far as the Victory is concerned, yeah so many more $$$ are needed! and whats up with that "Y" design on the engine and the pipes (especially comin off the engine) are horrible looking for that kind of money.
The Fury has the cleanest looking rear and the engine also - I think, looks big, solid and simple.
The Raider (IMO) is way too busy looking, everywhere. Its a good look on the VMax (but thats a whole different story)
The Harley reminds me of a 2 tier surf board and expensive, maybe their "bail out" situation will change something in the next few years.
Again (IMO) the Fury is what it is (a well designed, reliable - its a Honda!, 1300, "chopper styled" bike) and is (was) a smart move for the moment that offers a few accessories we are always looking for.