Dems may push to Pass Health Bill with NO VOTE!

[markamoore]

Unbelievable at the lengths these people will "posture" too!
They think obamama makes them invincible!



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/democrats-pledge-push-health-care-senate-republicans/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/democrats-pledge-push-health-care-senate-republicans/?test=latestnews)


51 votes will pass this under a special provision, says Schumer!
Does this puke not know that it's part of his party that he is trying to cut the head off of, not just the repubs and 80% of the voting public?

[TexasRed]

I think we the people need to get rid of them all. And there is durn sure enough of us to do it if we can get people to stick together. This administration is the laughing stock of the world & making the US the same laughing stock. They are just shoving their crap down everyones throat cause the people aint' standing up & putting a stop to it. TR

[Wolfcub]

Too many people looking for the government to give them a handout, most will love them and think it's a great plan because it's "free".
The majority have put this administration in power and won't lift a finger to change it, we all know how the majority can be dumb a$$ who just follow the path of lest resistance.

[JP Huss]

I dont know folks...
Something needs to be done, thats for sure. I am self employed and my rates have risen every 4 months for the last 5 yrs. I am paying just under $1,7000 every 3 months per employee. With no end in sight.
I dont have the answers, and I'm not for a free ride for anyone, especially illegal aliens! (Get rid of them all as far as I'm concerned.)
However having said that, I think congress should pass a law where no health insurance company, medical companies, etc... are not allowed to donate to any political party. Then let our "elected officials" have the same health care as all Americans, then come up with a plan.
(I kinow, Get Real)
Not to rag on any party, but the GOP had control the last 6 yrs of Clinton's Presidency and the first 7 yrs of the Knucklehead Bush term to do something about health care. All that happened is a 700% increase in profits to health care insurance's and medical fields during that time and less coverage for the people, without ANY reform what so ever.
I for one am glad to see something being done, especially since there's no tax increase for the middle working class.
There will be fraud, we all know that, but something needs to be done.
I would like to hear the GOP's plan, which I'm sure will be a much watered down version which wont interfere with the profits too much.

I'm about as "middle of the road" politically as one can get, but geezzz, lets hear a better plan from someone else instead of whining.

[JP Huss]

Too many people looking for the government to give them a handout, most will love them and think it's a great plan because it's "free".
The majority have put this administration in power and won't lift a finger to change it, we all know how the majority can be dumb a$$ who just follow the path of lest resistance.

I will agree with this, but remember, those who think its a great plan because its free, are usually getting it free already!
Low life losers are a drain on the working class, which carry most of the burden because we usually live pretty much paycheck to paycheck.
We need to start by getting rid of illegal aliens. If the Republicans want to get back controll of congress, they need to come up with a plan. However, that would mean big businesses will have to pay a higher rate of pay, and I just dont see that happening. I honestly beleive 50% of our financial problems will be fixed by addressing the illegal aliens issue.

Just my thought

[CentralScrutinizer]

Thats how Bush pushed through his tax cuts. It's pretty common to use reconciliation.
Something needs to be done with healthcare and the republicant's seem to want to keep the status quo.

[crew]

Unbelievable at the lengths these people will "posture" too!
They think obamama makes them invincible!



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/democrats-pledge-push-health-care-senate-republicans/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/03/democrats-pledge-push-health-care-senate-republicans/?test=latestnews)


51 votes will pass this under a special provision, says Schumer!
Does this puke not know that it's part of his party that he is trying to cut the head off of, not just the repubs and 80% of the voting public?

51% is called a majority ...

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/24/elec04.medicare/vert.frist.bottle.jpg

Don't you remember Bill Frist and the Republicans insisting on a simple "up-or-down" vote ... :?:

No one's drawing any lines in the sand right now but I feel very strongly we need a public option and that fight is continuing ...

The American public overwhelmingly favors a choice between getting insurance coverage either through the private market or a government run option. Indeed, 76 percent (MOL) say it is either "extremely" or "quite" important to "give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance."

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ....

crew

:crew:

[markamoore]

I dont know folks...
Something needs to be done, thats for sure. I am self employed and my rates have risen every 4 months for the last 5 yrs. I am paying just under $1,7000 every 3 months per employee. With no end in sight.
I dont have the answers, and I'm not for a free ride for anyone, especially illegal aliens! (Get rid of them all as far as I'm concerned.)
However having said that, I think congress should pass a law where no health insurance company, medical companies, etc... are not allowed to donate to any political party. Then let our "elected officials" have the same health care as all Americans, then come up with a plan.
(I kinow, Get Real)
Not to rag on any party, but the GOP had control the last 6 yrs of Clinton's Presidency and the first 7 yrs of the Knucklehead Bush term to do something about health care. All that happened is a 700% increase in profits to health care insurance's and medical fields during that time and less coverage for the people, without ANY reform what so ever.
I for one am glad to see something being done, especially since there's no tax increase for the middle working class.
There will be fraud, we all know that, but something needs to be done.
I would like to hear the GOP's plan, which I'm sure will be a much watered down version which wont interfere with the profits too much.

I'm about as "middle of the road" politically as one can get, but geezzz, lets hear a better plan from someone else instead of whining.


Going to have to do something about capping the malpractice suits before you can do anything about the profit margins. The health organizations are covering their asses, because there are no limitations, even on the unreasonable suits being brought against the health-care providers. The dems/liberals are not interested in putting any kind of ceiling on the suits, even in the current plan(s)!

[JP Huss]

Going to have to do something about capping the malpractice suits before you can do anything about the profit margins. The health organizations are covering their asses, because there are no limitations, even on the unreasonable suits being brought against the health-care providers. The dems/liberals are not interested in putting any kind of ceiling on the suits, even in the current plan(s)!

I disagree. They are in favor of a ceiling, but nowhere near what the GOP wants. I agree malpractice awards have gotten out of line there for a while, but its the jury that has influence on that, and yes, the Judge too.
Its a fine line to try to cap malpractice awards. If a Dr kills an 8 yr old kid in Main,,, Ok, lets say 1,000,000.00 should cover it, if its my 8 yr old, 50,000,000.00 is not enough, not to mention I would want blood.
Hopefully, smarter people than I will figure this out, but like I said in an earlier post, our elected officials need to stop allowing any business in the health care field, or insurance field to be able to donate to any party. I think when this happens, it will level the playing field and something will be dont for the American people.

Just my view

[crew]

Going to have to do something about capping the malpractice suits before you can do anything about the profit margins. ***

Not necessarily ...

Where is that written in stone ... :?:

This is sort of the plea of the sociopath ... and that of private insurers, pharma nad medical investors who pass all lobbying and legal fees onto consumers ... that is wage earning Americans ...

Once the world is perfect then I'll consider changing ...

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

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[Duug]

Tort reform is definitely needed BUT, Being as obamma is a lawyer,.....ain't gonna be ANY capping of lawsuits. If anything,...they'll make it easier to cash in and prolly increase the % the bloodsuckers charge as their fee.


Want Change????,...vote all the lawyers outta office.

[Chicago-Spike]

Wanna watch health care costs come to a screeching halt. Just tell all medical companies that they will no longer be given ANY money until they come up with CURES to deseases. Not find new ways to MEDICATE and charge for more pills. Find a cure, and the government will get you a grant for your good work. You do all realize that they haven't found a CURE to ANYTHING since Polio. Just new drugs to treat the symptoms.
Once cures to things have been made and people get cured, not treated, costs will drop.

Drug companies and medical insurance compaines have been bed partners for decades and they have been reeping the spoils of this inflated costs scam. Enough, is enough

[Glennok]

Amazing how a huge cash settlement helps people get over the loss of a child. :roll:

Me, me, me, me.

[Duug]

Amazing how a huge cash settlement helps people get over the loss of a child. :roll:

Me, me, me, me.

This may sound cruel but, here goes anyway. I don't think the loss of the life of a child is really worth very much. I'd top the payout to about 200K. That's enuff for a family to grive in style for a while. IF,...a child were injured and requires extra care,...then by all means,..the guilty party should pay the big bucks.

My frame of mind on this comes from the ol'adage of NOT allowing oneself to become worth more dead than alive. Putting a high price tag on a child only endangers them by adding temptation that they be used as a lottery ticket.

[Wolfcub]

Lol too funny, you know you can't sue the government right? So if government sponsered health care workers killed your child your ****-outta-luck lol and your worried about private health care and sueing for millions. You guys just proved our point that private is better than government. A child is worth millions, come on now, is that money really gonna make it all better and if it does then your on sick puppy.

[Highway 61 Revisited]

In the early 90's managed care companies proliferated by taking a cut and creating savings thru adverse access to services.

The MDs balked and claimed they were interfering in patient care. So the insurance companies and MDs colluded to pass the cost onto the average American thru increased health care costs.

The annual rate increases have been in double digits forcing many working Americans off insurance and into the ERs, passing the cost onto us.

Of the 50 million Americans with NO form of health insurance, 70% are working! Yep, 70% are working!

That's the tragedy; they are not on welfare, they are not on handouts and the majority are white.

Just the facts.

[srkr]

Tort reform is definitely needed BUT, Being as obamma is a lawyer,.....ain't gonna be ANY capping of lawsuits. If anything,...they'll make it easier to cash in and prolly increase the % the bloodsuckers charge as their fee.


Want Change????,...vote all the lawyers outta office.

I hate Tort Reform. Kinda put a dent in my Wallet when passed here in Texas in 2006.

Our insurance rates were suppose to decrease and better Dr's were to come here in the masses.

What a Crock of SHEIT.

Dr's/Hospitals SHOULD be held accountable for mistakes.nojoke

Shane
:joke:

[W9VD]

I hate Tort Reform. Kinda put a dent in my Wallet when passed here in Texas in 2006.

Our insurance rates were suppose to decrease and better Dr's were to come here in the masses.

What a Crock of SHEIT.

Dr's/Hospitals SHOULD be held accountable for mistakes.nojoke

Shane
:joke:

I agree. But there should be some good decisions made by lawyers and judges as well.

[JP Huss]

Tort reform is definitely needed BUT, Being as obamma is a lawyer,.....ain't gonna be ANY capping of lawsuits. If anything,...they'll make it easier to cash in and prolly increase the % the bloodsuckers charge as their fee.


Want Change????,...vote all the lawyers outta office.

It dosent matter if Obama is a lawer. He does not make the laws. Its our elected officials that write the laws, and the President signs them into law. Nothing get to the Presidents desk without the approval of the House and Senate. Nothing! For those that complain about Clinton, he only signed into law what was given to him, and nothing was given to him that wasn't what the GOP wanted. Same thing with the Knucklehead Presidency.
Question: What was done with health care reform from our Republican representives in the last 16 years??? Nothing.
Something is finially being done, and I'm sure, through out the years, I hope they have the commen sence to tweak it here and there. Remember, there is no cost for the working class, and if your happy with your insurance, you will keep it. This, in theroy, will help reduce the premimums from the insurance companys and give us better coverage and options if they want us to keep paying them monthly for coverage.
Again, this is at no cost to the working middle class.
And I know I sound like I am bashing Republicans. I'm not. I'm disgusted with how the Republicans in office represented the American people the last 13 years while they were in control.

Again, just my view

[markamoore]

It dosent matter if Obama is a lawer. He does not make the laws. Its our elected officials that write the laws, and the President signs them into law. Nothing get to the Presidents desk without the approval of the House and Senate. Nothing! For those that complain about Clinton, he only signed into law what was given to him, and nothing was given to him that wasn't what the GOP wanted. Same thing with the Knucklehead Presidency.
Question: What was done with health care reform from our Republican representives in the last 16 years??? Nothing.
Something is finially being done, and I'm sure, through out the years, I hope they have the commen sence to tweak it here and there. Remember, there is no cost for the working class, and if your happy with your insurance, you will keep it. This, in theroy, will help reduce the premimums from the insurance companys and give us better coverage and options if they want us to keep paying them monthly for coverage.
Again, this is at no cost to the working middle class.
And I know I sound like I am bashing Republicans. I'm not. I'm disgusted with how the Republicans in office represented the American people the last 13 years while they were in control.

Again, just my view


Don't sound all that good to me, and if you think for 1 minute the "middle class" taxation will not increase you are sadly mistaken.
Evidently you haven't been keeping up with the news.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009/08/geithner-wont-rule-out-new-taxes-for-middle-class.html

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/obama_bad_public_options/2009/07/21/238226.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk&feature=player_embedded

[JP Huss]

Don't sound all that good to me, and if you think for 1 minute the "middle class" taxation will not increase you are sadly mistaken.
Evidently you haven't been keeping up with the news.
__________________________________________________ _________

No, I have been keeping up with the news, but I admit I'm not on top of it 100%. Lots of different views out there.
I have no party affiliation here, and the links you sent were straight from the "Rush Limbaugh *****e Conservative" theory. I prefer to think on my own instead of the "cutting and pasting" parts of speaches to sway my thinking.
Look, this isn't about which party is better. The Republicans had 13 years of majority control to do something... anything. They have a chance to offer another or better plan right now and present it to the American People. They have none. Nothing. They dont want change, they dont want to cut off the hand that "reelects" them.
Look, something's finially being done, and it looks and sounds like its not going to affect the middle class. Keep your insurance if you want and you wont be effected.
Part of what you sent was footage from the late 1900's lol. Come one, much different times, and thankfully, views change.
Do me a favor, send me a link explaining what the Republican plan is. Not someone whining about what the the Democrats are doing, but a good solid plan for the American people. Honestly, I havent looked that hard, but I've heard nothing.
Send a link.

Next, I want Obama and ALL of our elected officials to handle the illegal allien issue, which I beleive would solve 50% of Americas financial problems. But both Obama and Mc Cain avoided the issue during the campain, which I found disturbing.

Just my .02 also

[crew]

It's easy to do an edit to misrepresent the President's position ...

For those who care ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxuFKKwj4b8

This week, I conveyed to Congress my belief that any health care reform must be built around fundamental reforms that lower costs, improve quality and coverage, and also protect consumer choice. That means if you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you'll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold.

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

:crew:

[Glennok]

Don't sound all that good to me, and if you think for 1 minute the "middle class" taxation will not increase you are sadly mistaken.
Evidently you haven't been keeping up with the news.
__________________________________________________ _________

No, I have been keeping up with the news, but I admit I'm not on top of it 100%. Lots of different views out there.
I have no party affiliation here, and the links you sent were straight from the "Rush Limbaugh *****e Conservative" theory. I prefer to think on my own instead of the "cutting and pasting" parts of speaches to sway my thinking.
Look, this isn't about which party is better. The Republicans had 13 years of majority control to do something... anything. They have a chance to offer another or better plan right now and present it to the American People. They have none. Nothing. They dont want change, they dont want to cut off the hand that "reelects" them.
Look, something's finially being done, and it looks and sounds like its not going to affect the middle class. Keep your insurance if you want and you wont be effected.
Part of what you sent was footage from the late 1900's lol. Come one, much different times, and thankfully, views change.
Do me a favor, send me a link explaining what the Republican plan is. Not someone whining about what the the Democrats are doing, but a good solid plan for the American people. Honestly, I havent looked that hard, but I've heard nothing.
Send a link.

Next, I want Obama and ALL of our elected officials to handle the illegal allien issue, which I beleive would solve 50% of Americas financial problems. But both Obama and Mc Cain avoided the issue during the campain, which I found disturbing.

Just my .02 also
You're right, you haven't been keeping up.

You can forget him addressing the illegal alien issue. He won't hurt his voting base.

[iuhoosier1992]

As far as middle class taxes not going up, keep dreaming. Everyone's taxes are going to go up. Geitner was even talking about this last week. Look in todays Wall Street Journal. Many articles talking about how middle class taxes will have to go up or this thing won't be paid for.

As far as malpractice goes, my mom-in-law works for a small town surgeon and his malpractice premiums every month is around $7,500. That by far is his largest monthly expense, even more than payroll. I know this, because my mom-in-law writes the checks. That is why he says he will order an extra test or two just to cover his own butt in case something happens and he gets blamed. He has been in practice for 20 years and never had a suit brought against him. He said that everytime his malpractice premiums go up, his costs to his patients go up too. He doesn't feel suit shouldn't be filed, because he knows there are dumba$$ Drs out there that don't do their job. But feels because of these Drs he gets punished for doing things the right way and he says there has to be some way to curb that part of the industry.

[Glennok]

It's easy to do an edit to misrepresent the President's position ...
All you've proven is that he speaks out both sides of his mouth, depending on the audience.

[HondaPartsGuy]

Don't sound all that good to me, and if you think for 1 minute the "middle class" taxation will not increase you are sadly mistaken.
Evidently you haven't been keeping up with the news.
__________________________________________________ _________

No, I have been keeping up with the news, but I admit I'm not on top of it 100%. Lots of different views out there.
I have no party affiliation here, and the links you sent were straight from the "Rush Limbaugh *****e Conservative" theory. I prefer to think on my own instead of the "cutting and pasting" parts of speaches to sway my thinking.
Look, this isn't about which party is better. The Republicans had 13 years of majority control to do something... anything. They have a chance to offer another or better plan right now and present it to the American People. They have none. Nothing. They dont want change, they dont want to cut off the hand that "reelects" them.
Look, something's finially being done, and it looks and sounds like its not going to affect the middle class. Keep your insurance if you want and you wont be effected. Are you sure about that ? I realize that the bill isn't final yet and there are many pending amendments , but everything I have read states that if you choose to keep the insurance you have now you will be taxed for that decision.
Part of what you sent was footage from the late 1900's lol. Come one, much different times, and thankfully, views change.
Do me a favor, send me a link explaining what the Republican plan is. Not someone whining about what the the Democrats are doing, but a good solid plan for the American people. Honestly, I havent looked that hard, but I've heard nothing.
Send a link.

Next, I want Obama and ALL of our elected officials to handle the illegal allien issue, which I beleive would solve 50% of Americas financial problems. I couldn't agree with you more on this issue. But officials are never going to get rid of this problem as they see nothing but future voters that may be swayed to their party.But both Obama and Mc Cain avoided the issue during the campain, which I found disturbing.

Just my .02 also
Thats my .02

[HondaPartsGuy]

25 year physician now US Rep / MUST SEE...................

Worth watching..........Dem / Rep /Indep........Everyone!

Some of what goes on in Congress




This is a YouTube video that was made of US Rep. Tom Price-6th Dist. on Wednesday. Tom is a member of the House Healthcare Committee, and the video was shot in the Wed. Committee meeting. Tom has said that our Constitution is being burned right before our very eyes. We must, Democrats and Republicans alike, let our "leaders" know that this plan is unacceptable.
There has to be a better way than a government takeover! If the Government takes over, it will be one of the most colossal blunders in the history of this Nation!





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SD_YOlUBoIk

[crew]

As far as middle class taxes not going up, keep dreaming. Everyone's taxes are going to go up. Geitner was even talking about this last week. Look in todays Wall Street Journal. Many articles talking about how middle class taxes will have to go up or this thing won't be paid for.

As far as malpractice goes, my mom-in-law works for a small town surgeon and his malpractice premiums every month is around $7,500. That by far is his largest monthly expense, even more than payroll. I know this, because my mom-in-law writes the checks. That is why he says he will order an extra test or two just to cover his own butt in case something happens and he gets blamed. He has been in practice for 20 years and never had a suit brought against him. He said that everytime his malpractice premiums go up, his costs to his patients go up too. He doesn't feel suit shouldn't be filed, because he knows there are dumba$$ Drs out there that don't do their job. But feels because of these Drs he gets punished for doing things the right way and he says there has to be some way to curb that part of the industry.

Isn't that sort of the larger idea ... :?:

Everyone's insurance premiums are going up ....

Everyone is losing money on the current system except the corporate interests and the lobbyists they hire ...

... limiting malpractice awards ...

Medical malpractice insurance accounts for a very small sliver of total healthcare costs, and there is no nationwide lawsuit crisis. In many states, it is harder to bring malpractice cases than ever before.

Talk about a trojan horse that will protect and enrich corporate interests at the expense of innocent victims. It is not the cost of malpractice lawsuits, but the cost of malpractice starting with the insurers.

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

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[Big Texun]

There are several "dead stinking elephants" on the table. Let me count them, one by one:

1. Advocates of reform say, "We pay X times more than other developed nations, yet our mortality rates rank '30th' among developed nations therefore, our healthcare system stinks." The Truth: American citizens, by and large, do everything in their power to kill themselves at a young age. Obesity abounds. Very little exercise. Extremely unhealthy diets. Corollary to the Truth: If our healthcare system wasn't so good, we'd rank very low on the list of undeveloped nations.

2. Advocates of reform say, "We need to computerize all of the recordkeeping and billing processes - this would reduce costs by perhaps 30%". The Truth: Yes, computerizing recordkeeping would indeed reduce medical costs - it would also have a very significant, and negative impact on unemployment. All of that money is going to a very high number of relatively low paid billing clerks, etc. When they are replaced by computers, where are they going to go to work?

3. The Bottom Line Truth: Developing new drugs and treatment methods is extremely expensive. At some point, we must be willing to admit that "enough is enough"... and start using what we have (which is already amazingly advanced). We have to be willing to admit that if a doctor makes a mistake, no matter how grievious, it is not justification for the survivors or the victims to get rich beyond their wildest dreams. Mostly, we have to admit that we are not entitled to live until we are 105 years old.

Not motherhood and apple pie... but, it is the truth.

[Big Texun]

I
... limiting malpractice awards ...

Medical malpractice insurance accounts for a very small sliver of total healthcare costs, and there is no nationwide lawsuit crisis. In many states, it is harder to bring malpractice cases than ever before.


It is impossible to truly measure the cost of medical malpractice cases. Why? How many unnecessary procedures are performed because a doctor fears that his patient will be the one that burns him for millions. Hell, my grand daughter's pediatrician won't even allow her to take Dimatap for a bad cold ... because some idiot somewhere fed their child too much Dimatap, sued the doctor, and the rest is history.

I submit that in medicine (and also in most forms of corporate America), it is not the actual cost of litigation that is so high... it is the FEAR of litigation that layers costs upon cost upon cost... just to CYA.

[crew]

It is impossible to truly measure the cost of medical malpractice cases. Why? How many unnecessary procedures are performed because a doctor fears that his patient will be the one that burns him for millions. Hell, my grand daughter's pediatrician won't even allow her to take Dimatap for a bad cold ... because some idiot somewhere fed their child too much Dimatap, sued the doctor, and the rest is history.

I submit that in medicine (and also in most forms of corporate America), it is not the actual cost of litigation that is so high... it is the FEAR of litigation that layers costs upon cost upon cost... just to CYA.

If we could just get rid of that pesky constitution ...

... or perhaps all of those surplus citizens ...

I agree with you that it is impossible to truly measure the cost of medical malpractice cases.

But the old Bush/Cheney water carriers keep on bringing it up ...

But, in the end, decrease in litigation takes away incentive to ensure carefulness in medical care.

opinions vary ....

all blessings ...

crew

:crew:

[Big Texun]

I agree with you that it is impossible to truly measure the cost of medical malpractice cases.

But the old Bush/Cheney water carriers keep on bringing it up ...

But, in the end, decrease in litigation takes away incentive to ensure carefulness in medical care.

I agree with you that a decrease in litigation takes away incentive to ensure carefullness in anything.

Instead of limiting damages, I'd prefer a system where the party that files the lawsuit has skin in the game; More specifically, if the accusing party loses in court, they are responsible for the other party's legal expenses.

As it is now, it costs nothing to file a lawsuit... and ambulance chasing lawyers will take cases on complete contingency. Even if the accused is squeaky clean, they know it will cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend.

[YellowFx4]

I'm a Dr. and I am against any more government influence in healthcare.

When was the last time a medication came from a gov't program? They all come out of private industry. Limit their profits and limit new drugs. It costs mega$$$ to bring one to market. The companies do expensive trials but when a drug has a side effect that occurs .0001% of the time and so doesn't show up in the trials they get sued b/c 'they should have known.'

BO wants to bundle payments to physicians to limit 'unnecessary' tests. He needs to limit liability if the lack of these tests harms someone, even his own family. No system is perfect. Look online for what a speeding ticket costs in Finland. What will stop that system next?

Gov't run healthcare is called Medicare. That is a success....NOT! Do you really want the same folks who run that system controlling more?? They can't run that right so lets give them more to run. Gov't dollars are already about 50% of the healthcare dollars. The discount insurance plans often reimburse at rates below cost. (Medicare included) the differrence is made up through cost shifting to cash patients or non-contract plans. Same service at one office=same fee, regardless of insurance plan. Population basis for insurance rating, not individual basis for rates. BIG penalties for obesity, smoking, etc.

Good medicine takes time and money. Cut money, time gets cut. I want my physician to make a lot of money. A boatload even. He/she went to school a long time and paid a lot of money for that education. I want him (my MD) to be able to afford to spend time with me and figure out what is going on--NOT blindly follow a checklist and provide a cookbook solution. I want the best, smartest people drawn into medicine. If you need brain surgery are you going to price shop?? Are you going to go to the MD who drives the rustbucket Vega or the Lexus??

Most surgeons don't get a real job until they are mid-30's. Then no retirement or other benefits--have to fund that themselves. Lots of debt too. Why not go work for a big company, get benefits and not have all that downside? What is going to attract people into medicine?

Think about the movie 'Idiocracy' and what happens to our healthcare system when it does not attract the best and brightest.

Yes, responsibility comes with the job. I see patients over 50 hours per week. They call me after hours. Cut my pay....I'll find another job.

How many people from Canada are happy with the service they receive from their system. Wanna wait years for your cardiac bypass?? Sorry about that grapefruit-sized tumor under your arm that keeps you from wearing a bra or having clothes that fit properly Mrs. K. It is benign so you will have to wait 5 or more years--continually getting bumped out of line--to get it fixed. These are two REAL PEOPLE I know from Canada. It works OK until you have a problem. Then watch out. Border towns are full of Canadian patients here for care.

The country runs best when the Gov't does the least.

Lawyers in the legislature is a conflict of interest. Don't vote for any.

Every elected official should have had a real job with real responsibilities and subject to the same rules/regulations that he/she wants to foist on the rest of us.

Term limits!!

Loser pays legal system.

Really, what does Ted Kennedy or John Kerry or... know about making a living in America??

Consider George McGovern:

George McGovern laments that after his experience in the bed-and-breakfast business he realizes that laws and regulations pertaining to small business are actually hurting the lower-wage workers whom he had tried to help during his entire political career. With his Stratford Inn in bankruptcy, McGovern now says:
In retrospect, I wish I had known more about the hazards and difficulties of such a business.... I wish that during the years I was in public office I had this firsthand experience about the difficulties business people face every day. That knowledge would have made me a better Senator and a more understanding presidential contender... To create job opportunities, we need entrepreneurs who will risk their capital against an expected payoff. Too often, however, public policy does not consider whether we are choking off those opportunities.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1038/is_n2_v37/ai_15419771/pg_4/

[markamoore]

:thumbup: Excellent Reply YellowFx4, you have MORE REAL PEOPLE in agreement with you than not, I guarantee it!nojoke!

[JP Huss]

I agree with you that a decrease in litigation takes away incentive to ensure carefullness in anything.

Instead of limiting damages, I'd prefer a system where the party that files the lawsuit has skin in the game; More specifically, if the accusing party loses in court, they are responsible for the other party's legal expenses.

As it is now, it costs nothing to file a lawsuit... and ambulance chasing lawyers will take cases on complete contingency. Even if the accused is squeaky clean, they know it will cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend.

:agree:

[Thunder Road]

How many of us have read the entire 1000+ pages of Obama's health care reform ? My guess would be very small percentage and include me as one who has not read it either. I bet a lot of Senators and Congressman/women have not either.

Here are some highlights in that reform bill. Be sure to click on the Plain English section. If this is not wake up the American People Nothing Will.

www.informationliberation.com/?id=27031 (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=27031)

[Wolfcub]

A government run health system is not the way to solve our health care problem. It will make them worst. I've heard people say that their family members can't get health care because they can't afford it and that government health care for all would be a wonderful thing. Please take a breath and stop and really think about what you are asking for. Everything the government put its hands into goes wrong. Look at our government run school systems, which are at the lowest in an industrialize nation. Our privately run Colleges are the highest in the world. People come from all walks of life to go to our Colleges here in the States, but not our government runs school systems. Once the government takes over health care, Doctors and Nurse will have very little say where they work and how. But that's ok to you because your family members now can get the very best of care provided by the government, right? At no cost to you, right? Wrong... taxes will go up and freedoms will go down, health care will suffer and so will innovations. My wife works as a nurse in medical research and she's very good at it. With government run health care either she'll have to leave the profession or go where the government tells her and work when the government tells her...there goes her freedom that she worked hard for, but it's worth it to you because now you’re loved ones has the best of care.
You would sell out another man's freedoms for your temporary solutions. That’s worst than all Americans not having health care at all.
How can a person feel good about themselves knowing that they gave up the rights and freedoms so many Americans have died for just so the government can take care of them.
If it's so bad in this country and you can't afford health care then please, there are options. You can work really hard and save up enough money to move to another country that offers free health care and all your problems are solved. We all know that the system here is bad, but it does allow for freedoms and innovation.
Do you really think the government will stop at health care once it has control of your health? If you do, then you are sadly mistaken.
We have soldiers fighting right now to help free other countries and dying for them, the same soldiers whose fathers and grandfathers died for the same freedoms that you are so blatantly throwing away.
A person who gives up freedom for security deserves neither freedom nor security
So I guess my point is do not sell out your countrymen and the sacrifices they have made for your freedom so the government can kiss your booboo and tell you everythings gonna be ok..

[YellowFx4]

+1 :agree: