View Full Version : A 1950's video of Ronald Reagan speaking about socialized medicine
X-Beast Driver
08-07-2009, 02:51 AM
It's just as pertinent now as it was back then. Maybe even more so cuz the camel has his nose in the tent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRdLpem-AAs
big hanno
08-07-2009, 06:03 AM
The Ronald Regan era.............gee I miss that world.:thumbup:
Knight
08-07-2009, 06:27 AM
http://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/kids/images/ronny-chesterfield-2.jpg
http://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/kids/images/ronny-chesterfield-1.jpg
Dutch didnt smoke and the taxpayer paid for his health care the last 40 years of his life
http://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/kids/images/ronny-chesterfield-2.jpg
http://whitehouse.georgewbush.org/kids/images/ronny-chesterfield-1.jpg
Dutch didnt smoke and the taxpayer paid for his health care the last 40 years of his life
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This is a NIMBY nation ... where it will never happen to Me ...
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimage&iid=iM6jmGXGDcn8
I'm not sure that folks can connect the dots between a personal health crisis and overwhelming family economic catastrophe ...
but ...
opinions vary ...
all blessings ...
crew
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Glennok
08-07-2009, 09:08 AM
:thumbup:
This is a NIMBY nation ... where it will never happen to Me ...
I'm not sure that folks can connect the dots between a personal health crisis and overwhelming family economic catastrophe ...
Remember crewd....."A mind is a terrible thing to waste".
You should be jailed for what you've done to your brain.
Smoke
08-07-2009, 11:58 AM
What point was made by posting a picture showing undeveloped lots and finished/new homes for sale? Poor developer got caught with his pants down?
But back on topic.
Reagan should have been ashamed to have lived so long. I wonder if he'd have lived so long during Obama's vision of a Utopian health care system.
Ronald Reagan makes more sense speaking from the grave than all of obamma mutterings put together.
PColaIrish
08-07-2009, 04:42 PM
Maybe not the most popular administration, but I was a fan of Reagan. Ahhh, Reaganomics....
What point was made by posting a picture showing undeveloped lots and finished/new homes for sale? Poor developer got caught with his pants down?
But back on topic.
Reagan should have been ashamed to have lived so long. I wonder if he'd have lived so long during Obama's vision of a Utopian health care system.
What point was made by posting a picture showing undeveloped lots and finished/new homes for sale? Poor developer got caught with his pants down?
But back on topic.
Reagan should have been ashamed to have lived so long. I wonder if he'd have lived so long during Obama's vision of a Utopian health care system.
If you're lucky enough to be endowed with concierge coverage nothing ...
But, the housing "crisis is systemic and linked to health coverage ... Most bankruptcy researchers eventually come to notice and note Medical debt is central to the bankruptcy, foreclosure story. This is hardly unique to a "developer" . Times are hard for everyone, MOL, and folks see the scenery collapsing around them. Throw in a chronic illness or an injury that knocks you or your spouse out of work, mix in a gazillion dollars of medical bill, and you've lost the family home.
These spouses and parents know they will have to carry many family financial burdens even with adult children. Most folks losing their jobs and homes have public or private health coverage but they quickly discover that key services are uncovered. They exhaust the limits of their corporate Health Care managed visit limits for rehab and therapy. They need new equipment. They have copayments and deductibles. Then they have to pay a for support services like a babysitter for a younger child and then uncovered fees to see academic medical specialist. A gazillion dollars here; a gazillion dollars there. It all adds up. and this is for folks who thought they were adequately covered.
A 1950's disingenuous and hypocritical recording will not save you ... no matter how many times you lay alms at the altar of Reagan.
but ...
opinions vary ...
all blessings ...
crew
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Wolfcub
08-07-2009, 09:06 PM
Crew, I'll have to disagree with you. The health care system isn't even close to the reason for the economic disaster we are in at the moment. It all started with 9-11 and with the help of the oil speculators( who was given power by the government to raise oil prices as they saw fit). People stop flying which hurt the air lines and gas prices sky rocketed because if the war so people and businesses lost revenue and jobs. People out of jobs couldn't pay mortgages and lost their homes and it just snowballed from their.
Now they want to blame it on health care, just so they can get you to go along with their new plan to save us from ourselves. I do realize that our system isn't the best and it could be better, but with government running the show, your health will be in their hands weather you have the money to afford better or not.
Right now we have a choice but that'll all change if Bama gets his way.
My wife is a nurse and would you believe that people without insurance sometimes get better health care than people with it. I know people eho are fully covered and don't even work and we already pay for that. Just imagine how worst it'll be when everyone is cover and noone can get in to see a Doctor. Peoplell be running to see a Dr for every little thing, taking up time and money from the ones who really need it.
LasPulgas
08-07-2009, 09:13 PM
Can't make up your mind about healthcare reform?
Go visit a VA hospital. That's government run healthcare. And they've had over a century to "get it right".
Nuff said. :-?
Edit: Pssst! It's not a video but the audio did sound a lot like Regan. :roll:
Crew, I'll have to disagree with you. The health care system isn't even close to the reason for the economic disaster we are in at the moment. ***
Right now we have a choice but that'll all change if Bama gets his way.***
This is a very complicated bill so I'll just deal with two aspects ...
First ... the cost of healthcare and it's relationship to wage earning family economic stability is enmeshed on every level from a person's wages, where they shop and what they pay for goods and services and family economic savings etc ... etc... etc ...
... but ...
It is undeniable that a health "crisis" is what is putting folks over the edge into foreclosure and bankruptcy ... in overwhelming numbers ...
Many of these folks are simply underinsured and are simply ignorant about their liability ...
Rapidly rising health care costs are leading our nation down a fiscally unsustainable path.
Secondly, under the President's plan, if you like your current coverage ...
Keep it ...
... you will be given more choices (including a public plan, I hope i hope I hope .. ) , not less, no one should or will decide that for you. Under the President's proposals, if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story.
Did I say period, end of story :?:
... if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance.
That's it ...
... if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance.
Period, end of story.
but ...
opinions vary ...
all blessings ...
crew
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iuhoosier1992
08-07-2009, 10:34 PM
Crew, while I don't always agree with what you say, you always make me laugh. On this one I will have to disagree. People weren't losing their homes because of a lack of health care. It was because of ARMs. Families house payments sometimes tripled or worse and then they couldn't afford the house. Then we had people losing jobs, because businesses were cutting back and losing money. Not because of health care. If health care was the reason, then we would have been in this housing crisis long ago and banks forclosing on houses years ago. 87% of the American public have private health insurance and of those 70-80% like what they have. We are trying to insure probably 10% of the unisured out there, seeing how 3% are on some government health program.
One of my questions though is how will providing health insurance for everyone cut health care costs. We seen in France that universal care has driven costs up and now the government wants to change the program. How do you curb health care costs by providing health insurance for everyone?
LasPulgas
08-07-2009, 10:53 PM
How do you curb health care costs by providing health insurance for everyone?
You don't. Which means it's not about curbing health care costs and all about giving a government mandated monopoly to the insurance industry.
iuhoosier1992 is that a Hunter S. Thompson quote in your sig line?
Crew, while I don't always agree with what you say, you always make me laugh. ***
One of my questions though is how will providing health insurance for everyone cut health care costs. We seen in France that universal care has driven costs up and now the government wants to change the program. How do you curb health care costs by providing health insurance for everyone?
There's a bunch of ways but the simplest to explain is through proper testing and early treatment ... keeping folks productive longer ... and able to stay on the job or return quickly ... rater than at the preventable "high end" which makes costs and premiums more expensive ... (if you can't pay the gazillion dollar medical bill it is kicked back into the system and paid for by patients, policy holders and tax payers at the highest allowable cost ... not to mention every lawyer and accountant who can get their hands on the paperwork :lol::lol::lol: :a13: for fun and profit ... :a13: :lol::lol::lol: )
Often folks postpone, ignore or stay in denial about "taking care of business" because they know they can not afford it. They are uninsured or quickly find out they are underinsured or out of the loop because of preexisting conditions ... which they often discover after the fact and have to eat bills they thought were covered ...
Right now, try to get a job if you are uninsured or underinsured or have a preexisting condition with a workman's comp history ...
If there is a "level playing field" with insurance, these workers will be far less stigmatized ... hirable, productive and off of wellfare and public assistance (Including Medicaid) of every sort ...
but ...
opinions vary ....
all blessings ...
crew
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FR33K
08-08-2009, 03:30 AM
You know. It's like trying to talk to people intent on blowing themselves up.
I'm currently on government provided healthcare (ret. military). And if we (my family) have a concern that isn't being met in a timely fashion, we go "off-base". And this happens constantly.
Last year my wife had a cyst on her wrist and the earliest she could be seen was 2 months down the road, by a GENERAL practicioner. After that she could expect to wait 2-4 more months to be seen by a specialist.
THAT's GOV'T HEALTHCARE IN PRACTICE
We only use the on-base care for things a little more serious than what a bandaid can fix. Other than that, we go elsewhere, pay as you go.
But, you know what? Screw it. I've said my piece.
I now hope they pass it through. I KNOW the gov't will screw it up in nothing flat (cash for clunkers anyone?).
The screams will be deafening when just a few horror stories pop up (and they will and Obama and the Dems will OWN those stories) and then with little to no need for political ads, we'll have a completely new face in the whitehouse and in congress.
Then the screams from the libs, as republicans slash and stab their precious health care, will wake the dead. AND THEY GAVE IT TO THEM
But, libs live in the NOW NOW NOW. They never think 10, 15, 20 years down the road.
So, knock yourselves out libs :thumbup:, I have enough cash to go to another country if need be for my healthcare.
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