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Glennok

08-12-2009, 11:59 AM

CABLE NEWS RACE

NITE OF AUG 10, 2009

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,814,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,118,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,417,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,388,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 1,988,000
FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 1,833,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,243,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,082,000
CNNHN GRACE 875,000
CNN KATHY GRIFFIN 810,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 710,000

Do people tune into Fox to get the straight skinny? Or....

Are 'pubs more informed than libs? Or....

Are liberal newscasters so bad that no one wants to watch them? Or....

Something else?

My opinion later.

BadMoon

08-12-2009, 12:07 PM

I honestly think that some if not most of the Libs are starting to see the light. The sh it just aint working like they ALL thought it would.

mojoguy

08-12-2009, 12:11 PM

Their claim is fair and balanced.

We report, you decide.

Fox tends to report what NBC,CBS,ABC, CNN and MSNBC dosnt, thats my thought. Olbermann and Maddow I believe are the same person. Not to mention they are camera monkeys.

slacks

08-12-2009, 12:20 PM

Glennok

08-12-2009, 12:41 PM

Americans buy into sensationalism, drama, and entertainment. And Hannity/O'rongly/Beck are defninately not fair and balanced (speaking of camera monkeys!) If this isn't true, how come we're not watching the live feeds of the government in action? Booooooring.

And Glennok, we all know what your opinion is.
So you beleive people watch Fox for entertainment? You're kidding, right? You believe that with all the cable channels available that people tune into Fox for entertainment?

If you try reeeeeal hard and use your brain, you might come up with something more believable. Like maybe that they watch Fox to get the news that the state run media won't report on. Hmmmm.

jminks1

08-12-2009, 01:13 PM

and the #'s show it ....:firstplace:

JP Huss

08-12-2009, 01:19 PM

GregsBlurpleX

08-12-2009, 01:25 PM

I don't watch any of those shows for a couple of pretty simple reasons now.

1) I was absolutely sick of a three year presidential election that dominated every second of news media on any channel day in and day out.

I'll agree with this one, as for your other one politics/politicians and people who are obsessed with politics I have no time for. All those 3 above mentioned things do is cause divides, dissension, and in alot of cases hate twords one another.

XRiderChuck

08-12-2009, 04:44 PM

Glen Beck IS God!:mrgreen::lol: I love the guys style.... yes, maybe the world is not ending quite as fast as he'd have us believe, but I love anyone that just trashes on politicians and idiots like he does.:thumbup:

XRiderChuck

08-12-2009, 04:45 PM

H4H, your party won? Well, hell... then you can clean up the mess, ya idjit!;):lol:

Glennok

08-12-2009, 05:10 PM

Someone has to clean up the Bush mess....I'd ask what mess, but I know you haven't a clue.

Glennok

08-12-2009, 06:14 PM

If you think the mess that this country is in started in January then you are the one that is clueless.
And I don't think you know me well enough to take this personal.
I'm just tired of hearing the same crap from the left. Nothing personal.

No it didn't start in January, but it didn't start with Bush either. Bush inherited economic problems from the clinton/dot.com fiasco, then we had a war, then because of clinton we had housing failures.

The obamama inherited this, but his spending makes Bush look like a monk. Seems to me that anyone can see that this is NOT the time to spend trillions on something we don't need, especially after we spent a trillion on bailouts we didn't need.

Common sense tells me that we should throttle back, let the economy recover, and then use that time to come up with a sound plan.

dud-57

08-12-2009, 06:37 PM

People don't really think Fox News really reports "fair & balanced" news, do they?
I think the "Libs" understood this years ago, and prefer to get their news elsewhere, instead of being told how and what to think.
I mean, come on... :popcorn:

I think Fox does present reasonably fair and balanced news. However, that has nothing to do with this thread. The shows that are listed above are 'Opinion & Comment' shows. The folks at the desks give their perspectives on what's going on. Other folks who are interested tune in to hear it.

Looks like more people are interested in the perspectives of conservatives.

Beast Rider

08-12-2009, 08:04 PM

I think Fox does present reasonably fair and balanced news. However, that has nothing to do with this thread. The shows that are listed above are 'Opinion & Comment' shows. The folks at the desks give their perspectives on what's going on. Other folks who are interested tune in to hear it.

Looks like more people are interested in the perspectives of conservatives.

I agree. O'Reilly, Dobbs, Oberman, Beck are NOT news shows. But then again, some think Colbert is the real deal... Oh well.

cmgoldstein

08-12-2009, 08:05 PM

We could go back and forth on this all day and neither of us is going to change the others mind. You asked a simple question at the top of this thread and I was stupid enough to try to give you a civil answer.I am one of 66,882,230 that voted for the guy you hate.You lost. GET OVER IT. Give the man a chance.
I will say this.When Bush was president I NEVER called him names.I don't like the guy but I spent enough time in the Marine Corps and on this planet and in other countries to know the meaning of respect.I try to give every one respect,even people I don't agree with until they prove otherwise that they don't deserve it.And that's all I got to say on this PERIOD.

I just love it when Democrats say "You lost, just get over it". The Democrats in Congress spent 8 years trying to get revenge for losing the election in 2000. There have been protesters on street corners for the last 8 years likening Bush to Hitler. For the first time in history, open and outright hostility and disrespect was shown for a sitting President. (Congratulations for acting like an adult and not participating in that kind of activity. Name me one other President who suffered the indignity of a trash talking cartoon parodying him. Especially while still in office!) For the last 8 years Democrats have done everything in their power to make everything Bush's fault. Well I've got news for you. The situation America is in now is not Bush's fault. That lay squarely on the shoulders of a Congress that did nothing even closely resembling the business of running a country for the last 8 years. Democratic leaders spent all their time blocking everything they thought might make Bush look good. So the next time you utter the words "You lost, just get over it", remember.... You started it!

willtill

08-12-2009, 08:10 PM

The democrats (and their mindless and unthinking constituents that follow them) will get their just desserts. Once they run the country into the ground; they'll suffer. Especially the poor leftist people (oh, I meant "economically disadvantaged" people). The only winners in this ratf*ck are the illegal (oh, I meant "undocumented immigrants") aliens.

Lib's can laugh now, but the big, fat lady still has to sing, and when she does; she's going to take a huge crap all over them as well....

Kindest regards,

-Will

dud-57

08-12-2009, 08:11 PM

... For the first time in history, open and outright hostility and disrespect was shown for a sitting President.

Although I too supported GWB, your limited appreciation of history, as displayed by the quote above, made me laugh.

I seriously doubt that ANY US President has NOT been mocked and shown disrespect. You need to read the papers from the 1700s to get a better view of incredible partisanship, bitterness and hostility.

cmgoldstein

08-12-2009, 08:19 PM

Although I too supported GWB, your limited appreciation of history, as displayed by the quote above, made me laugh.

I seriously doubt that ANY US President has NOT been mocked and shown disrespect. You need to read the papers from the 1700s to get a better view of incredible partisanship, bitterness and hostility.

You are correct, of course. I should have been more specific and said in my cognative lifetime. The last 8 years have been a disturbing low in my opinion.
By the way, my appreciation of history is not so much limited as my ability to express myself clearly at time when my passion has overtaken my oratory skills. Thank you for your attempt at making me feel less appreciative than you obviously are. It reminded me that we all need to feel important sometimes.

Duug

08-12-2009, 08:46 PM

I'm just tired of hearing the same crap from the left. Nothing personal.

No it didn't start in January, but it didn't start with Bush either.

This bad economy started when the Dems took over congress a couple years ago. As obamma gained popularity,...work began to dry up. Instead of buyin' homes, folks started selling them. Then as jobs were lost, loans went unpaid. Things have leveled off for now but, will get worse before they even begin to improve.
THANK GOD,..I've already made my stack of cash. I wouldn't wanna have to do it again in these times. Whereas I've had hundreds of people work for me at a time,....I don't foresee hiring anyone ever again.

XRiderChuck

08-12-2009, 09:10 PM

bownutrob

08-12-2009, 10:13 PM

Pretty easy to see the main stream media and msnbc is on the wagon w/ Obama...Anyone that does not see that, does not want to...That has a direct bearing on the success of FNN..Fox is "by far"the best we have today..>>>---->

bownutrob

08-12-2009, 10:16 PM

Fox is the reason we DON"T have the Obama Healthcare bill passed already???? >>>---->

XRiderChuck

08-12-2009, 10:21 PM

You're Party ?? :barf::barf:

What you are really telling us is...

YOU ARE A COMMUNIST nojoke

and a damn ignorant one, at that...:dontknow:

tiny2709

08-12-2009, 10:57 PM

Evi|grin

08-13-2009, 12:55 AM

I dont listen to any of them except for an occasional rare laugh off of youtube.

Doesnt matter to me if they are right or wrong, i dont care how most of them present the news....i mean their opinions.

The Maddow skank really makes me sick though. I cant stand to even listen to her greet a guest. nojoke

roughrider

08-13-2009, 01:15 AM

Evi|grin

08-13-2009, 01:30 AM

Whatever happened to the war protesters? Remember when the Hollywood actors were cussing the president and calling for the solders to come home and the networks kept a running death toll and showing the destruction. Did they all come home?
:dontknow: sb

Now for some reason the big focus of most of the media on the current conflict is how bad the opium is destroying the world and funding the Taliban.

When the Taliban was in almost total control wasnt opium production at an all time low according to the same media years ago?

Im not saying either is false but its interesting how THEIR focus changes and how the celebrities follow whatever becomes the popular side created by the media.

Yoidaho

08-13-2009, 01:35 AM

Life has been much quieter since I turn off the boob tube...

turn it off or just change the channel. ~M :beer3:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii81/MVTX/misc/boobTube-1.jpg

slacks

08-13-2009, 01:37 AM

So you beleive people watch Fox for entertainment? You're kidding, right? You believe that with all the cable channels available that people tune into Fox for entertainment?

If you try reeeeeal hard and use your brain, you might come up with something more believable. Like maybe that they watch Fox to get the news that the state run media won't report on. Hmmmm.

Really? I'll say it again for ya. "Americans buy into sensationalism, drama and entertainment." These guys aren't the news. They feed you, YOU, personal biased opinions, hyped up for ratings. And this is true of both sides, left and right. (see? I'm fair and balanced!:lol:) They may believe what they believe but don't tell me that their ratings (Fox primarily) would be as good if they were talking heads on PBS style tv. C'mon, use your brain and you might see a bigger picture, or at least a viewpoint on the world not so narrowed down. Its a big world out there, check it out. Oh, and did your really say "what mess?" Wow.

Funny how everytime other points of view get thrown out here, it turns into name calling like its 4th grade. Its like some of you'all ran out of a good argument!:lol:

Beast Rider

08-13-2009, 08:49 AM

Funny how everytime other points of view get thrown out here, it turns into name calling like its 4th grade.

:agree:

Glennok

08-13-2009, 08:53 AM

Really? I'll say it again for ya. "Americans buy into sensationalism, drama and entertainment." These guys aren't the news. They feed you, YOU, personal biased opinions, hyped up for ratings. And this is true of both sides, left and right. (see? I'm fair and balanced!:lol:) They may believe what they believe but don't tell me that their ratings (Fox primarily) would be as good if they were talking heads on PBS style tv. C'mon, use your brain and you might see a bigger picture, or at least a viewpoint on the world not so narrowed down. Its a big world out there, check it out. Oh, and did your really say "what mess?" Wow.

Funny how everytime other points of view get thrown out here, it turns into name calling like its 4th grade. Its like some of you'all ran out of a good argument!:lol:
You're unbelievable. It's almost unfathomable to think that you believe people watch Fox for it's entertainment value.

Did you ever think that maybe people watch because they're concerned for their country and what the obamama is doing to it, and they know they're not getting the whole story from the MSM talking heads? Quite frankly, you'll never hear a bad thing said about the obamama or his policies on the MSM. They're all drooling sycophants.

Maybe you should be more engaged and actually care about what's happening. Then you might actually tune in Fox to hear the other side of the story.

VTXRockCity

08-13-2009, 10:08 AM

Did you ever think that maybe people watch because they're concerned for their country and what the obamama is doing to it, and they know they're not getting the whole story from the other MSM talking heads?

Fixed. Fox is part of the MSM.

Beast Rider

08-13-2009, 10:33 AM

You're unbelievable. It's almost unfathomable to think that you believe people watch Fox for it's entertainment value.

Did you ever think that maybe people watch because they're concerned for their country and what the obamama is doing to it, and they know they're not getting the whole story from the MSM talking heads? Quite frankly, you'll never hear a bad thing said about the obamama or his policies on the MSM. They're all drooling sycophants.

Maybe you should be more engaged and actually care about what's happening. Then you might actually tune in Fox to hear the other side of the story.

Slacks was writing about all the news AND commentary shows - which is what the original post was about.

Cody450

08-13-2009, 10:43 AM

Glennok

08-13-2009, 11:20 AM

Slacks was writing about all the news AND commentary shows - which is what the original post was about.
The original post was on why Fox had higher ratings than the other news shows, and then I get an answer that it was because it's entertaining. WTF? Sorry, but that answer is ridiculous. Maybe there was just an inability to stay on topic. :dontknow:

If all news shows are just entertaining, does that mean the Fox gets higher ratings because it's more entertaining? :roll:

LasPulgas

08-13-2009, 12:13 PM

Glennok

08-13-2009, 12:29 PM

Fear sells ad time and the big winners sell fear.

The tag line used to be: Look over there! TERRORISTS!

Now it's: Look over there! SOCIALISTS!

Just another boogyman they say you need to fear. And you eat it like pudding as the ratings show. :roll:

How simplistic your view is, but coming form someone who will accept whatever the obamama throws at him without question, it makes perfect sense.

Thinking people want to find out the truth before they put their seal of approval on something, and they don't get that from CNN or MSNBC. And that's why Fox's ratings are so high. I watch both.

LasPulgas

08-13-2009, 12:37 PM

How simplistic your view is, but coming form someone who will accept whatever the obamama throws at him without question, it makes perfect sense.

Thinking people want to find out the truth before they put their seal of approval on something, and they don't get that from CNN or MSNBC. And that's why Fox's ratings are so high. I watch both.

Keep lappin' up that pudding it looks good on ya! :lol:

Yeah. I accept everything Obama throws at me. :roll: And everything some internet :tools: throws at me too! :lol:

Duug

08-13-2009, 01:37 PM

Being in californica,..you're demeanor is understandable. :lol:

LasPulgas

08-13-2009, 01:40 PM

Being in californica,..you're demeanor is understandable. :lol:

Yeah d more I read demeanor I get! :lol:

RoadDawg

08-13-2009, 05:17 PM

I don't watch any of those shows for a couple of pretty simple reasons now.

1) I was absolutely sick of a three year presidential election that dominated every second of news media on any channel day in and day out.

2) My party won BIG TIME!!!!!:firstplace::popcorn:
Yes Your party WON... WOOOO HOOOO... Now what are you gonna do now that your PEOPLE are LOOSING?nojoke Democratic Senator clearly states for ALL to hear '...We don't have TIME to read the entire bill before we vote on it. There are over eleven hundred pages..."

Another one tells a crowded arena "... We must rush this thing through... " (again, no time to read it)

And YOU think you WON??????????????????????????

8)

RoadDawg

08-13-2009, 05:28 PM

The original post was on why Fox had higher ratings than the other news shows, and then I get an answer that it was because it's entertaining. WTF? Sorry, but that answer is ridiculous. Maybe there was just an inability to stay on topic. :dontknow:

If all news shows are just entertaining, does that mean the Fox gets higher ratings because it's more entertaining? :roll:

When the TRUTH is told... Honest people come to hear it. FAR too many honest folks have been lied to and bamboozled for long enough. The National Lampooner Stations... Comic News Network, Me Stupid No Body Cares, etal... have shown their hand and it is a barefaced bluff. THAT is why the ratings are so high for the show that says to ALL...

nojoke"...HERE ARE THE FACTS... YOU decide..."nojoke

8)

kgmat

08-13-2009, 06:17 PM

Yes Your party WON... WOOOO HOOOO... Now what are you gonna do now that your PEOPLE are LOOSING?nojoke Democratic Senator clearly states for ALL to hear '...We don't have TIME to read the entire bill before we vote on it. There are over eleven hundred pages..."

Another one tells a crowded arena "... We must rush this thing through... " (again, no time to read it)

And YOU think you WON??????????????????????????

8)

Apparently reading Bills aren't required of the House, the Senate, or the President. Be it Republican, Democrat, or Independent...

"For the People, By the People"...oh the naivety of it all...

Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (H.R. 4577)
262 pages of 11,000 page conference report - 4 minutes
This 262 page financial deregulation bill was placed into an 11,000 page conference report made available four minutes before consideration began in Congress. The bill would later be seen as giving rise to the large amount of risky behavior in the financial sector, ultimately leading to the global financial meltdown of September 2008.

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009
1,100 pages - 13 hours
Better known as the "stimulus" bill, this $789 billion, 1,100-page behemoth meant to create jobs and jump start the ailing economy was available for public perusal for just about 13 hours before Congress began considering it.

Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008
169 pages - 29 hours
The first time the House considered the $700 billion bailout bill to rescue Wall Street, in September 2008, many complained about the rush and voted it down. But just a few days later, the Senate revived a revised bill. The same day, both the Senate and the House approved it.

Consolidated Security, Disaster Assistance, And Continuing Appropriations Act, 2009
Under pressure because the fiscal year was drawing near the end and none of the appropriations bills had been completed, Congress rushed through a continuing resolution that extended government funding at 2008 levels through March 2009.

Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008
694 pages - 19 hours
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac got a bailout in this quick moving legislation approved in July 2008.

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008
114 Pages - 17 hours
After just two hours of debate, the House passed this bill, which loosened requirements for the government to set up surveillance of individuals and granted immunity to telecommunications companies for wiretapping.

Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act of 2007
422 pages - 1 hour
This little noticed legislation hurried through by Congress sets safety standards for reviews of drugs and medical devices. Consumer advocates criticized the legislation for being too weak—and since the law's passage, numerous instances have surfaced of problems with medical devices approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

USA PATRIOT Act of 2001
241 pages - 0 hours
Passed in a rush after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, this law expanded the federal government’s ability to gather intelligence, engage in domestic surveillance and secret searches and detain immigrants with little restraint.

race66

08-13-2009, 06:42 PM

Someone has to clean up the Bush mess....

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You haven't seen a mess yet. :yikes:

.... but it's coming soon to a wallet near you!

stay tuned grasshopper.

toycruiser

08-13-2009, 06:52 PM

Someone has to clean up the Bush mess....

Well you can bet that it will not be that idiot thats in there now. At the rate its going, America will be exporting with lables MADE IN THE NEW CHINA.

slacks

08-14-2009, 12:14 AM

You're unbelievable. It's almost unfathomable to think that you believe people watch Fox for it's entertainment value.

Did you ever think that maybe people watch because they're concerned for their country and what the obamama is doing to it, and they know they're not getting the whole story from the MSM talking heads? Quite frankly, you'll never hear a bad thing said about the obamama or his policies on the MSM. They're all drooling sycophants.

Maybe you should be more engaged and actually care about what's happening. Then you might actually tune in Fox to hear the other side of the story.

You are hooked on the Foxy news like a twitchy junkie. I can recommend a 12 step program if ya like!:joke:

Glennok's cute when he's angry isn't he?:lol:

Highway 61 Revisited

08-14-2009, 07:24 AM

Conservatives don't read anything but the Bible so they watch Fox TV news instead! :D

Glennok

08-14-2009, 08:42 AM

You are hooked on the Foxy news like a twitchy junkie. I can recommend a 12 step program if ya like!:joke:

Glennok's cute when he's angry isn't he?:lol:
I'm always cute. :D

I watch Fox maybe once or twice a week. I also watch the state run media a couple times a week. Unlike you, I like to hear from both sides.

When you talk about bias, there is much more from the state run media. You'll never hear about the other side from them. At least on Fox they'll tell you what the others are saying and then discuss it.

JP Huss

08-14-2009, 08:52 AM

Wow, so how does everybody feel. LOL I thought this was to talk about VTX's not politics. I want to start a third party, the anti politician party. Throw out all of the bums, republican and democrat. The only thing they are worried about is to get re-elected.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

:agree:
I'm with ya Tiny. Its great we live in a country that we can express our views without violent repercussions.
But you have to admit, them Conservatives are a funny thinkin' clan!

Better than them Sunday Funnies.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

CentralScrutinizer

08-14-2009, 09:22 AM

You're unbelievable. It's almost unfathomable to think that you believe people watch Fox for it's entertainment value..

Well - it sure isn't for its accuracy. http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
Wasn't that idiot Beck trying to justify that "death panel" nonsense? Fox news is little more than a right wing propaganda machine feeding the fears of the ignorant. It's a joke, that's why it's known as Faux News.
Most just watch for the laughs.

Beast Rider

08-14-2009, 10:21 AM

I'm always cute. :D

I watch Fox maybe once or twice a week. I also watch the state run media a couple times a week. Unlike you, I like to hear from both sides.

When you talk about bias, there is much more from the state run media. You'll never hear about the other side from them. At least on Fox they'll tell you what the others are saying and then discuss it.

From what I have watched, Fox News isn't too bad. Cavuto seems to try to look at things from both sides - accolades for that. The original post was about O'Reilly, Dobbs, Olberman, Beck, et al. Those are not "news" shows. They are ALL BIASED with a HUGE SLANT towards their particular viewpoint with a heapin' helpin' of SENSATIONALISM. So don't throw Hannity (and others), who never met a Republican whose "sheat" stank, in with any NEWS programming - same with Maddow (and others).

Glennok

08-14-2009, 10:35 AM

Well - it sure isn't for its accuracy. http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif
Wasn't that idiot Beck trying to justify that "death panel" nonsense? Fox news is little more than a right wing propaganda machine feeding the fears of the ignorant. It's a joke, that's why it's known as Faux News.
Most just watch for the laughs.
You should try reading the bill.

This morning's news says that they will take that out. Yes, it was in there. It didn't talk specifically about it, but the language left the door open. When the door is open, you know somebody will stick their foot in. It's happening right now in England, France, and Canada. The government is deciding whether it's financially sound to continue giving meds to old people.

slacks

08-14-2009, 12:17 PM

Here come the black helicopters at night!:shock:

Also, I would be talking about the Foxy news showboats unless I occasionally watched them (or, more often listen to them on the radio). Variety is the spice of life! Its just that sometimes it tasts pretty bad.

Duug

08-14-2009, 12:52 PM

You should try reading the bill.

This morning's news says that they will take that out. Yes, it was in there. It didn't talk specifically about it, but the language left the door open. When the door is open, you know somebody will stick their foot in. It's happening right now in England, France, and Canada. The government is deciding whether it's financially sound to continue giving meds to old people.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090813/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_end_of_life_2

Voimakas

08-14-2009, 01:10 PM

From your link:

Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski said this week that Palin and other critics were not helping the GOP by throwing out false claims.
"Quite honestly, I'm so offended at that terminology, because it absolutely isn't" in the bill, Murkowski said. "There is no reason to gin up fear in the American public by saying things that are not included in the bill."
Georgia Sen. Johnny Isakson, a Republican who co-sponsored a similar measure in the Senate, said it was "nuts" to claim the bill encourages euthanasia.
"You're putting the authority in the individual rather than the government," Isakson said. "I don't know how that got so mixed up."
Blumenauer said the controversy was helping Democrats in a "perverse way."

BartowBiker

08-16-2009, 02:45 PM

they are all liars and cheats but the dems are just nasty about it