Piping the ride

[fun42]

I want to pipe the VTX but don't know which ones sound or preform the best any ideas?

[Mountain Flier]

Hey Wingnut, welcome to the board. As far as pipes, everyone likes something different. Come meet up with some of the guys and listen to theirs. There are some good VTX'rs around the valley.

[skipdrag]

Wingnut you can't hear so what do you care what they sound like.

[fun42]

So when do you all meet?

[skipdrag]

Join us for the Polar bear Ride. Are you goin going to ride your Wing or the X.

[fun42]

the wife and I will both be there on our bikes

[fun42]

Sorry it look like I can't read either. We'll br on the crusiers

[kxb44]

I have the V & H Bigshots with quiet baffles on my 1800C. I live in South Jordan also. You are more than welcome to stop by and give mine a listen.

[Drywallman]

Vance & Hines with T Monsters Baffles

[ILuv_UMan]

I want to pipe the VTX but don't know which ones sound or preform the best any ideas?

First of all, it helps to know what Model you've got. 1300, 1800, C, R, N etc.

Than you need to decide do you want slip ons or a complete new exhuast system.


Once you've decided all of the above, oftentimes, Manufacturers will give you several options as to how loud you want pipes to be.

And last but not least, I'm not sure anyone knows the performance enhancement. Many claims made, but not sure any of them are true. Obviously the more free flowing and the less weight, probably the better results (however you do need some back pressure to keep your torque up). Also remember, the more free flowing you make your bike, the higher the probabilty you'll need to Rejet (1300s) or will need to add a Fuel Management System (1800s). Slipons oftentimes, don't require rejetting because there is still enough back pressure with the stock exhaust still in place. Remember with a slip on, your only changing the muffler. Put on your pipes and see how your bike runs before you touch your fuel system. (Same is true, if your making your air intake more free flowing too).

Here's the pipe I went with. Roadhouse Shorty slipon. Was a snap to install, got it for less than $300, love the sound (nice low rumble when you start it up, if you whip the wick, don't worry, they'll hear you coming, if your easy on your scoot, you won't wake up the whole neighborhood) and the peformance. This pipe will only fit on the C Model 1800 however.

http://www.roadhousebrand.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/vtxshorty.jpg

Here's Roadhouse Website if your interested. They have a whole array of exhuast systems and slipons.

http://www.roadhousebrand.com/Merchant2 ... y_Code=CES (http://www.roadhousebrand.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RBS&Category_Code=CES)

Once you to the above referenced webpage, take your Cursor and click underneath Roadhouse Brand, where it says "Authorized Dealers and Installation Guide Sound Clips Reviews". Once you enter that webpage, you'll see Sound Clips as one of the tabs. You can hear the Sound of the different VTXs. Also might want to check the Reviews, while there and see what others think of the Roadhouse Products.

Good Luck

[fun42]

Does anybody have Jug Huggers on their 1300 C? If so, who has the best price?

Thanks for the info everybody.

[ILuv_UMan]

Does anybody have Jug Huggers on their 1300 C? If so, who has the best price?

Thanks for the info everybody.

Nice looking Pipes (sorry I couldn't find a picture for a C model)

http://www.metricthunder.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/1810-0054fs.gif

Best Price? Why don't you buy from the people who sponsor these Message Boards, HDL (Honda Direct). In fact they will match anyone else's price and give you an additional 5% off, if you can find anyone else who will sell them cheaper. Remember their price include freight and handling (purchases over $100). Here's their price $529.95 http://hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/by ... =508934557 (http://hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/byProduct.asp?prd=Exhaust&str=12&ID=508934557)
http://hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/pr ... =508934557 (http://hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=4356&str=12&ID=508934557)

PS: For what it's worth (perhaps not much), I've heard a couple 1300s with dual pipes and I've heard a whole slug of 1800s with dual pipes. There's just no beating the sound of 2 pipes into 1, plus you don't have the need for crossovers. If I were going to go a a complete exhaust system change (instead of a slipon muffler), I'd go the Hard Krome 2 into 1 Sideburners. You'll get a much lower deep rumble out of 2:1 Exhaust system. BigLry, a VTX legend/guru went from Roadhouse Shorty slipons to HardKrome Sideburners as have many others, when they went to a complete Exhaust change. I know if I decide to go a compete Exhaust change and/or I decide to put new clutch spings in, these will be the Exhaust system I'll purchase.

Read the reviews on the Hard Kromes, the most posts are on the 1800s. Many have gone from double pipes to double into 1 pipes. You can read what they said, I don't want to get the double pipe crowd upset with me.

However, your money, your choise and the 2:1 pipes are definitely a different look. Here's the 1300 HardKrome for the 1300, picture is of a Retro on this website. http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/store ... =343827654 (http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/stores/product.asp?pid=2327&str=12&ID=343827654)

Follwoing is a picture of Hard Chromes 2:1's on a 1800 C (couldn't find a 1300 C picture, the above webpage is a Retro 1300, but the pipes look the same).

http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/pics/HAR-D442440.jpg

Good Luck.

[fun42]

I tried them and they won't have any until May. So I'm looking to findout if anyone knows of any good contacts for them.

[CBENZ]

Wingnut,

I have the HK’s 3” straights on my 1300 Retro, I absolutely love them. Sound awesome, they are loud! There is a ton of info on the 1300 board about them if you do a search. I got them put on in December by Perry Bro’s (don’t know if I would have them do it again) with the Kuryakyn Hyper charger.

I also love the look of the pipes on the bike, gives it that shotgun barrel affect. If you want to check them out sometime I live right in SLC.

Goodluck!

[ILuv_UMan]

I tried them and they won't have any until May. So I'm looking to findout if anyone knows of any good contacts for them.



Here's a couple:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:O0 ... 300C&hl=en (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:O0ZeuCpUCN8J:www.phatperformancepar ts.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc%3FScreen%3DPROD%26Product_Code%3D1810-0051%26Category_Code%3DVTX1300CE+bub+jug+huggers+1 300C&hl=en)

Awwww, I finally found a picture of a 1300C
http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/images/image_10226.jpg

and http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/detai ... t_ID=10226 (http://www.cruisercustomizing.com/detail.cfm?model_ID=0&Category_ID=4&manufacturer_ID=21&product_ID=10226)

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:zc ... 300C&hl=en (http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:zc58FzLhUfwJ:hellrisercustoms.com/selector.php%3Fgroup%3D8%26category%3DExhaust%26ti tle%3DExhaust+bub+jug+huggers+1300C&hl=en)

Those are nice looking pipes. They perform as well as they look, you're going to have one nasty scoot. :)

[skipdrag]

Wingnut I have abuddy that has a 1300 c Silver that has those Pipes. We should do lunch one day and you can check them out.

[fun42]

Lunch would be fine but does your buddy ever ride his bike?

Thanks everyone for your information and help. I located a source and ordered them today. Should be here by end of week, hopefully in time to have them on for Sunday's ride.

What time is everyone meeting Honda of Salt Lake? Anyone doing breakfast before the ride?

It's riding time, everyone wake up.

[ILuv_UMan]

Lunch would be fine but does your buddy ever ride his bike?

Thanks everyone for your information and help. I located a source and ordered them today. Should be here by end of week, hopefully in time to have them on for Sunday's ride.

What time is everyone meeting Honda of Salt Lake? Anyone doing breakfast before the ride?

It's riding time, everyone wake up.

IHOP, 5600 West 3100 South 8:00 to 8:30 breakfast.

Honda Salt Lake approximately 2400 South and State, Salt Lake 9:00ish.

Please remember, Harley of Salt Lake will have Continental Breakfast from 9:00 to 10:30. If anyone misses us at the above 2 locations, they can "try" to find us at Harley of Salt Lake. Been there, done that. Very difficult to find people with a couple thousand bikes around.

See you there, hope you have those new pipes on. :)

[ILuv_UMan]

Lunch would be fine but does your buddy ever ride his bike?

Thanks everyone for your information and help. I located a source and ordered them today. Should be here by end of week, hopefully in time to have them on for Sunday's ride.

What time is everyone meeting Honda of Salt Lake? Anyone doing breakfast before the ride?

It's riding time, everyone wake up.

wingnut:

Let me cut and paste a post on the VTX1800 Tech Board for which I agree.

EschMan wrote:
I LOVE the look of the jug huggers. I'd order some now but need to get a seat first. How do the jug huggers do on they dyno? Do you have pcIII or HPP etc? I like the 2into2 style better but hear the 2into1s do better on power. I have Cobra classic drags now but don't love them.


The dyno numbers are slightly lower in hp and torque (by about 5 hp 5lbs torque) than the Vance & Hines. However, at the time of my dyno, the baffles were not secured from the factory and I was running the Fi2000. The 2 into 1 or 2 into 2 w/crossover will out perform any 2 into 2 pipe. You will sacrifice some power/torque for the great look and sound of these pipes. However, these are probably the best performing 2 into 2 pipes w/o a crossover.
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Here's a reference if you want to read the whole string.. http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14247

[ILuv_UMan]

Does anybody have Jug Huggers on their 1300 C? If so, who has the best price?

Thanks for the info everybody.

Wingnut: I was thinking about you and those Jug Huggers. Did you install them? Do you like them? Sound? Performance? Did you need to rejet? Pictures?

http://www.hondadirectlineusa.com/pics/BUB-18100051.jpg

[fun42]

I did install the pipes.....Iove the looks and sound. As for the performance I'm not sure about. It seem to be running a little rick so I'm going to play with the carb a little. I have not rejetted the carb.

How are things going. I heard that there was another site people post on. Do you know that address.

I'll take some picture and post them soon.

[ILuv_UMan]

I did install the pipes.....Iove the looks and sound. As for the performance I'm not sure about. It seem to be running a little rick so I'm going to play with the carb a little. I have not rejetted the carb.

Normally more free flowing pipes make your scoot run leaner, because more air is allowed to run through your bike, thus more fuel needs to be added.

What makes you think your scoot is running richer?

Also if your going to add a K&N Filter, make all your modifications before you start rejetting. If your bike is running rich as you so state, adding a K&N Filter will lean your scoot down even more, thus you might be right where you want to be.

Make all modifications and see how your bike runs before rejetting.

[fun42]

The inside of the pipes are really black and I have some black smoke exiting the end of the pipes. Don't know at this time if I need to rejet, I want to play with the carb first before making that decision.

Thanks for the information

[Drywallman]

I did install the pipes.....Iove the looks and sound. As for the performance I'm not sure about. It seem to be running a little rick so I'm going to play with the carb a little. I have not rejetted the carb.

How are things going. I heard that there was another site people post on. Do you know that address.

I'll take some picture and post them soon.
Here's the site you looking for http://www.utahvtxriders.com. Hope to see you there. Be sure to regester and include all you bike info as well. Rides on Saturday mornings right after the breakfast. Look over the site lots of info.
Drywallman

[ILuv_UMan]

The inside of the pipes are really black and I have some black smoke exiting the end of the pipes. Don't know at this time if I need to rejet, I want to play with the carb first before making that decision.

Thanks for the information

Not sure, "pipes are really black and some black smoke exiting the end of the pipes", means rich.


To do a spark test, first put in a clean set of spark plugs in an engine that is already warmed up to speed. Ride the bike at which ever speed you want to test. Ride it for about 5 minutes at that speed holding it steady. Reach up and shut the ignition off and cruise to a stop on the side of the road. Pull the plugs out and examine them.
Black dull carbon buildup on the end = too rich
Oily shinny black buildup on the end = oil is slipping past your rings
White ash buildup on the end = too lean
No residue = set just about right.
http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/tech ... gnosis.htm (http://www.spark-plugs.co.uk/pages/technical/diagnosis.htm) (first four pictures from the top show the above conditions)

To really do a good test you have to do four different speeds.
idle = idle circuit in the carb
1/8 to 1/4 = off-idle circuits
1/4 to 3/4 = needle circuit
3/4 to full = main jet circuit

Lastly check your enrichner system, air leaks, air filter, and float system; these will all have an effect on the air/fuel mixture.

Things to watch for:
Lean mixture
1. Hesitation
2. Exhaust pops on declaration
3. Could run better with the enricher on
4. Idles erratically
5. Surges in speed at a constant throttle
6. Pipes turning excessively blue from excessive engine heat

Rich mixture
1. Runs rough
2. Blubbers
3. Could run better without an air filter (get a more free flowing air filter, K&N comes to mind)
4. Runs better if you back the throttle off
5. Runs better with the fuel cut off - the lower fuel level in the float bowl will lean out the mixture

Again get all your modifications done, before attempting to determine if Rich or Lean and than deciding what actions to remedy the situation

Hope this helps, good luck