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    Bought that ceramic baffle wrap from that Jim Paul guy along time ago. He doesn't seem to be around anymore. That wrap he sold was way better than the fiberglass stuff. Anyone know where one might find the good ceramic stuff?
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    Have you tried the sites listed here?

    http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/viewtopic.p ... ramic+wrap
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    Not sure what yours is but I bought some Ceramic Insulation from McMaster Carr for a brewing project. I have some left that i am going to try on my ne Quiet Baffles when they get here.

    www.mcmaster.com

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    ManWhore,
    Here is a link I found. I have not tried them yet but the 100' roll of 3" tape (1/8" thickness) is what I am going to try

    http://www.armilcfs.com/pages/CeramicFi ... ndTape.htm

    I don't know pricing and I don't yet know if they have a minimum order.

    I will call them and let you know what they say. If you happen to call first, let me know what they say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highnote
    ManWhore,
    Here is a link I found. I have not tried them yet but the 100' roll of 3" tape (1/8" thickness) is what I am going to try

    http://www.armilcfs.com/pages/CeramicFi ... ndTape.htm

    I don't know pricing and I don't yet know if they have a minimum order.

    I will call them and let you know what they say. If you happen to call first, let me know what they say.
    Regards,
    Lou
    That is exactly what I have been looking for. Let me know how spendy, I'll go in out with ya. I'm sure we could round up a few more easilly too. Temps up to 2300 degrees, THATS what I'm talkin bout!!. Maybe you should just set up shop and be the next Jimbolia
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    I have been watching this thread with great interest since I have a set of V&H Quiet Baffels that will need re-packing some day. Looking at all the stuff that has been offered so far, it all seems kind of dinse. ( Except maybe the blanket material offered by beermaker. ) I may be wrong, but it is all advertised as heat insulating, so I'm thinking the stuff is to tightly woven to let exhaust gases pass thru effectivly, may cause to much back pressure. What do you all think?
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    I have some of the blanket type material that I have been using in my RH shorty. One of the problems that I have found, is that he stuff that I got is not made up of long fibers. The end result is that it comes apart and blows out much easier. I'm thinkin the fiber tape method would be longer lasting, just do many layers. the longer fiber should hold up better over time....Just my thoughts.

    Can't remeber where I ordered the high temp blanket material from....

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    Default Ceramic Baffle wrap

    ManWhore, et al,
    Whew! I just got off the phone with those folks. That stuff is expensive. After picking up my jaw from hearing the price of the 1/8"x6"x100 foot roll of Ceramic tape ($12/linear foot) they recommended Silica tape. which still has a temp rating of 1800 degrees. For this stuff, a 100 foot roll of 2" x 1/16" thickness costs $295.

    Still, for that price, my steel wool seems to work pretty good!

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    Manwhor,
    I ordered some tape from McMaster. 1/8"x3"x25ft. $35

    • Temperature Range: -300° to +2300° F
    • Heat Flow Rate: 0.38 Btu/hr. x in./sq. ft. @500° F
    • Color: White

    Aluminum-oxide based, high-purity refractory fibers provide continuous high-temperature insulation. They have good dielectric strength and electrical insulation properties. Use for wire insulation, furnacelining, metal castings, and foundry molds. Density is 12 lbs./cu. ft.

    I'll let you know how this works out.

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    Don't worry about how dense the material is that you repack your quiet baffles with. The exhaust gasses do not pass THROUGH the packing, but instead pass between the packing material and the outer shell of the baffle. I used a woven fiberglass material that I got from where I work, but I have seen a ceramic material similar in size(2" wide) in the Dennis Kirk catologe for wrapping header pipes. I used stainless aircraft wire to secure the wrap. Sound is loud but not "too" loud, and back-pressure gained makes her run real good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by highnote
    Manwhor,
    I ordered some tape from McMaster. 1/8"x3"x25ft. $35

    • Temperature Range: -300° to +2300° F
    • Heat Flow Rate: 0.38 Btu/hr. x in./sq. ft. @500° F
    • Color: White

    Aluminum-oxide based, high-purity refractory fibers provide continuous high-temperature insulation. They have good dielectric strength and electrical insulation properties. Use for wire insulation, furnacelining, metal castings, and foundry molds. Density is 12 lbs./cu. ft.

    I'll let you know how this works out.

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    I'll buy half that roll from ya and you pay shipping for $20. Then we'll both test it out. Sounds like it's exactly what we need
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    I'll agree to that right now. However, let me give you a report on what it looks like before you commit.
    I'll let you know
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    I just got the 25 ft. roll from McMaster and the stuff looks good.
    Fairly dense and blanket-like.

    Manwhor, PM sent to you. I will send you 1/2 of the roll.
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    How did the tape work out guys? i also saw this stuff
    Calcium Silica Fiber Blankets
    • Temperature Range: 0° to 1832° F
    • Heat Flow Rate: 0.7 Btu/hr. x in./sq. ft. @1832° F
    • Color: White

    A blend of calcium, magnesium, and silica gives these blankets excellent insulation properties and high tensile strength. Cut with a razor knife and mount over installation studs. Use indoors for refractory linings and expansion joints. Density is 8 lbs./cu. ft. Meet ASTM E-84 for flame and smoke.


    i REALLY need to re-wrap my baffle in my shorty as the wrapping is blown out. no wonder it is so loud!any suggestions as to where to get the neccesary stuff (other than roadhouse who want 20$ for shipping!)would be appreciated.
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    Default Yo Guys

    Just when I thought that I had a grasp on exausts, and baffles you go and start yaking about "wrapping" . What gives? could you please clue a novice in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveX
    Just when I thought that I had a grasp on exausts, and baffles you go and start yaking about "wrapping" . What gives? could you please clue a novice in?

    Thanks,
    SteveX
    some people wrap their baffles to take up the space between the baffle and the inside of the pipe. a tiny bit more back-pressure, a little more muted sound. the ceramic stuff doesn't burn up or blow out as quickly or easily as other wraps.

    since you're getting up to speed on exhausts, and assuming you've had the same exhaust on your bike for 100 miles or more, have you inspected your muffler bearings for any break-in damage? if they don't seat correctly, you can get a real nasty rattle in there...

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    http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ ... rmenbr=361
    This is what I used. Not very expensive but works well
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    Default good one Adam

    Muffler bearing PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE, had me rolling, since I have extensive automobile exaust experience. I do have a nasty rattle though, but it's from the 3 or 4 drill bits that broke off when I did the temporary stock exaust mod. I'm now in the process of waiting for my bigshots to come in from HDL, and I should be able to chuck that problem.
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    ....any luck??

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    The ceramic material worked great. I sent Brad (manwhor) half my roll. I pulled my baffles the other day and the material is holding up great after 2000 miles.

    This is the one I ordered:
    http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/enter.asp?p ... genum=3257

    Here was the plan for the ceramic use:



    Here is the cone with the material between the outer cone and the perforated sheet metal:


    Here are the finished baffles with the cones welded on:


    This yielded the deepest sound I have yet heard on a VTX. That is my '02C with V&H Quiets with Cones and this material on this site (Can't tell much with the condensor mike and the built-in limiter in the video camera):
    http://www.kingofthecruisers.com/Exhaus ... _bytes.htm

    Additionally, this yielded the highest torque in that area between 1.5k and 3k RPM as compared to Std Baffles and no baffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveX
    Muffler bearing PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEE, had me rolling, since I have extensive automobile exaust experience. I do have a nasty rattle though, but it's from the 3 or 4 drill bits that broke off when I did the temporary stock exaust mod. I'm now in the process of waiting for my bigshots to come in from HDL, and I should be able to chuck that problem.


    good pun (chuck that problem)


    you're gonna love the bigshots, by the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highnote
    The ceramic material worked great. I sent Brad (manwhor) half my roll. I pulled my baffles the other day and the material is holding up great after 2000 miles.

    This is the one I ordered:
    http://www.mcmaster.com/asp/enter.asp?p ... genum=3257

    Here was the plan for the ceramic use:



    Here is the cone with the material between the outer cone and the perforated sheet metal:


    Here are the finished baffles with the cones welded on:


    This yielded the deepest sound I have yet heard on a VTX. That is my '02C with V&H Quiets with Cones and this material on this site (Can't tell much with the condensor mike and the built-in limiter in the video camera):
    http://www.kingofthecruisers.com/Exhaus ... _bytes.htm

    Additionally, this yielded the highest torque in that area between 1.5k and 3k RPM as compared to Std Baffles and no baffles.
    I absolutely loved the wrap ya sent me although I haven't pulled the baffle yet to see how it's holdin up. You or someone needs ta buy this in bulk and cut it to the proper sizes ta sell like that Jimbo guy used to do. I've got a 2000K or so putt coming up this Thurs, when I get back I'll pull and see how it's holdin up. It will then have about 4-5k
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    As an alternative, what we used to do back in the seventies
    was drill a couple of holes across the perforated baffle, and insert a
    couple of bolts in a crosswise pattern across the
    center of the perforated part of the baffle.
    Instead of fiberglas we used stainless steel sponge which is not wrapped
    anywhere near as tight as fiberglas. The bolts forced some of the hot
    gases into the expansion chamber of the baffle (where the steel sponge
    was) and did some quieting, the steel sponge allowed the gases
    to pass thru without much backpressure.

    If you've got an old baffle, it is worth the experiment.
    You can get stainless steel sponge in your supermarket, two for
    about a dollar. You might need 18 to 24 steel sponges
    for one baffle. The steel sponge is continuous, you can feel for
    the center and stretch it over the baffle. It won't blow out,
    and if it loads up with carbon, you can remove the baffle when
    the pipe is cool and shake the carbon out.
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    there are a lot of things people used to do back in the seventies. a lot of it was REALLY fun, from what i understand...

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    It's still fun, but there it is more likely you might get arrested
    for doing it, or maybe get a real nasty disease.

    It definitely was easier when I was younger and better looking.
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    i hope to be good looking when i grow up. i'm losing hope, however.

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    I'm considering wrapping my Cobra slipon baffles with the ceramic wrapping. I noticed the ceramic wrapping you purchased was without adhesive. How did you get the wrap to hold tight around the baffle?

    Thanks

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    You use masking tape to hold it on not alot just enough to keep it onand it will burn off, I have the same material in my cobras that Manwhore has (Thanx Brad) and that is how he instructed me to do it!
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    Just a small suggestion. If you use very small gauge wire it will allow you to remove the baffles when you want. Other wise the packing tends to come loose. This in turn makes it difficult to remove.
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