1300 Brakes: Pad Swap, Adjusting Brake Light, Changing Fluid, Down Under Bracket
+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 16 of 16

Thread: 1300 Brakes: Pad Swap, Adjusting Brake Light, Changing Fluid, Down Under Bracket

  1. #1
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default 1300 Brakes: Pad Swap, Adjusting Brake Light, Changing Fluid, Down Under Bracket

    Changing rear brake pads (Red Sonja) Decided to document what I did when I changed my rear brakes on the 1300c Step 1 Removed the left bolt from the brake housing using a 12mm socket Step 2 Once the bolt is removed the brake housing can pivot on the other bolt Step 3 use a large flat head screwdriver to remove the brake retaining bolt cover Step 4 Once the pin cover is off, Use a 5mm allen wrench to remove the brake retaining bolt. This can require quite some force to break loose Step 5 remove the brake retaining bolt and notice that the brake pad bolt loops are facing down and towards the brake housing. Step 6 I used an old wood clamp to compress the brake caliper in so putting the new pads in would be easier. Step 7 Orient the new pads the same way the old ones came off and reinstall the retaining bolt with the 5mm allen wrench . Dont forget the black bolt cover screw you took off before. Step 8 Pivot the housing back on the rotor while pushing in on the pads so they will line up correctly with the housing retainer clip (you will feel when its right ) Step 9 reinstall the main housing bolt using a 12mm socket wrench ( dont over torque it ) Step 10 Pump the foot brake so the caliper will decompress and snug the housing assembly. Thats it you did a brake job on the rear brakes of your 1300c Author: Red Sonja *I recommend that you pull the calipers off and clean the piston before shoving the piston (and all of the dirt stuck to it) back into the caliper. Also a good time to grease the caliper pins. You should be able to slip the rear caliper off with no further work, howerver, the front will require removal of the wheel. - Ceetro
    Last edited by Chicago-Spike; 12-15-2011 at 10:38 AM.

    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  2. Remove Advertisements
    VTXOA.com
    Advertisements
     

  3. #2
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default Adjusting rear brake light

    Adjusting rear brake light

    Below the rear brake resevoir - there is a long rectangular cover. If you look behind it on the right (front) side you will see the switch with an adjustment nut. Lift it slightly out of the bracket and rotate it clockwise (towards you) to make it more sensitive (earlier activation), and counter-clockwise to make it less sensitive. Thats all !!
    Last update: 2004-07-29 06:39
    Author: Ceetro

    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  4. #3
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default Changing Brake Fluid

    Changing Brake Fluid


    Get the resevoir level so it doesn't spill out when you open the cover. You may need to loosen the clamps a little and tilt it down or up. Make a note of the fluid level in both resevoirs.


    Cover up EVERYTHING in the area that fluid can spill on. Brake fluid will ruin your paint.


    Remove the cover and clean up any crud around the edge so it doesn't fall in the resevoir.


    Remove the rubber


    Slide a wrench on the bleed nut and attach the MityVac (rear shown)


    Pumping the MityVac creates a vacuum, and when you open the bleed nut, the old fluid is sucked out. Do not let the resevoir get less than half empty before adding more fluid from a sealed container. Repeat untill it runs clear.


    Note how dark the old fluid is


    Refill the resevoirs to the level they were at before you started. Tighten the bleed nuts and reinstall the covers. Pump the brake levers a few times to build up pressure and check leaks. Test the system before riding in traffic!
    Good additional info from prs:
    I learned a neat trick to protect the paint and trim from spills. Get a kitchen sized plastic waste bag. Put a thumb sized hole through the bottom of the bag. Put the bag over the reservoir and gently stretch the thumb hole over the reservoir. This gives you a neat stretch fit and the bag can be draped over the spill prone area and even further protected by putting a paper shop towel in the little basin formed by th bag. NO MATTER HOW CAREFUL YOUR ARE, OR HOW WELL YOU PROTECT THE PAINT AND TRIM -- DO HAVE SOAPY WATER AND CLEANING RAG HANDY! Clean any accidents immediatley.

    If just changing the fluid, you can also use the Mity Vac to almost totally drain the fluid from the resrvoir, fill the reservoir with new fluid - adding often, then use the brake lever or peddel to pump the lines clear by pumping the lever or peddle several times, holding it firm, opening the bleeder to let the fluid excape into your catch basin and allowing the lever or peddel to move to its furthers down position, close the bleeder, slowly release the peddel and repeat. Takes about 10 such cycles to get clear fluid and it is remarkable how the old and new tend not to mix. The Valvoline Synthetic DOT 3and4 seems to work well. If your brake pads are worn, avoid filling the reservoirs fuller than they were, or remember to deplete the reservoirs some before installing new pads; or you may flood/jamb the system.



    Last update: 2005-04-10 09:59
    Author: Ceetro

    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  5. #4
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default Changing Front Pads - Retro (by TRHOD)

    Changing Front Pads - Retro (by TRHOD)


    Changing the front pads is actually just as easy as the rears.
    Here is an exploded view of the caliper assembly:
    http://www.hondaonlineparts.com/showView.asp?pid=1080&prd=VTX|VTX1300S|2003
    All you need to do is REMOVE the bolt cover #12 and the bolt #13 and LOOSEN bolt #8. You should be able to take the pads out without removing #8, but you might have to take it out, I can't remember exactly right now. Before you take the pads off compress the piston in the caliper. You can do this with your hands, the pistons aren't hard to compress like a car. Spring #6 is located above the pads. It probably will fall out or come out when you take the pads out. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GET THIS BACK IN ORIENTED CORRECTLY. FYI, if you get it all back togther when you squeeze brake to pump the pressure back up, if it doesn' go back up with in 5 pumps, you might have the spring in backwards. Don't keep squeezing or you will break the spring. (Do not ask how I know this )
    The springs # 7 should stay on the caliper. Your new pad ends that go in first will squeeze into these.
    That is it, add some lithium grease to the rubber boot on bolt #8, button everything back up, torque the bolts and go ride.
    Torque Values:
    Front Brake Caliper Pin (# - 20 lbs / ft. with medium (blue) LocTite
    Brake pad pin (#13) - 13 lbs / ft.
    Brake Pad Pin Plug (#12) 2.2 lbs / ft.


    TRHOD

    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  6. #5
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default My Brake Lever Wont Firm Up

    My brake lever wont firm up, by silvervtx04s


    Typical problem when swapping lines, or just sucked a bunch of air into the system. FIx brought to you by silvervtx04s
    "You have air trapped in the banjo bolt on the master cylinder.Close the bleeder and remove the bolt on the master ,fill the end of the master with fluid and fill the brake line also. Reassemble leaving the bolt slightly loose, pull the lever once and hold to the bar .Tighten the bolt ,release the lever and repeat ,using the bolt as a bleeder. Two or three passes and you should be good to go. Remember brake fluid eats paint so use due caution."

    Author: silvervtx04s

    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  7. #6
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default Tool Hints for changing brake pads

    Tool Hints for changing brake pads


    Every now and then this topic comes up. There is a very nice little tool that can be helpful. It is a hose pinch off tool, only use on rubber style hoses. It's available from Snap-on under part # YA2850A. They are a few $ a piece and work great. What they do, is put a little pressure to pinch off the hose. Then you open the bleeder and push in the piston, squirting the fluid in a bucket. This stops the fluid from being forced back up to the master cylinder which can damage it. Just as the piston reaches the end tighten the bleeder screw back down and just a light pump and you'll remove any trapped air. Here is the link, I think you can even order online. http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?search=true&item_ID=66783&PartNo=ya2850a& group_id=1461&store=snapon-store&tool=all



    Last update: 2006-03-13 05:38
    Author: Jon's1800VTXC

    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  8. #7
    Senior Member spudwrench's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    covington,la
    Posts
    804

    Default '05 1300r brake pad replacement

    In the first post on this topic Red Sonja shows how to do the rear pads...
    But:
    Notice between her 5th and 6th picture she has removed the front bolt also and taken the entire caliper off. This makes it much easier to compress the piston back into the caliper, also, unlike the front caliper, these two bolts(pin/bolts, whatever they are called) are also what the caliper floats on and are enclosed with rubber boots. Don't damage the boots and be careful to get them back in place in reassembly.

    Ceetro mentions in his note on that post that the front pads require front wheel removal. Even though it looks as if there is enough slack in the brake line to unbolt the caliper and slide it down and off the rotor... there is not and you will have to remount the caliper, move the bike to where you can jack it up, etc. - don't ask me how I know. Dropping the wheel is far simpler than trying to loosen and move the plastic fender out of the way.
    Last edited by spudwrench; 03-19-2009 at 02:35 PM. Reason: pilot error
    Proud member of CVMA, '05 black retro n' stuff

  9. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Posts
    168

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago-Spike View Post
    Changing Front Pads - Retro (by TRHOD)


    Changing the front pads is actually just as easy as the rears.
    Here is an exploded view of the caliper assembly:
    http://www.hondaonlineparts.com/showView.asp?pid=1080&prd=VTX|VTX1300S|2003
    All you need to do is REMOVE the bolt cover #12 and the bolt #13 and LOOSEN bolt #8. You should be able to take the pads out without removing #8, but you might have to take it out, I can't remember exactly right now. Before you take the pads off compress the piston in the caliper. You can do this with your hands, the pistons aren't hard to compress like a car. Spring #6 is located above the pads. It probably will fall out or come out when you take the pads out. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU GET THIS BACK IN ORIENTED CORRECTLY. FYI, if you get it all back togther when you squeeze brake to pump the pressure back up, if it doesn' go back up with in 5 pumps, you might have the spring in backwards. Don't keep squeezing or you will break the spring. (Do not ask how I know this )
    The springs # 7 should stay on the caliper. Your new pad ends that go in first will squeeze into these.
    That is it, add some lithium grease to the rubber boot on bolt #8, button everything back up, torque the bolts and go ride.
    Torque Values:
    Front Brake Caliper Pin (#8 ) - 20 lbs / ft. with medium (blue) LocTite
    Brake pad pin (#13) - 13 lbs / ft.
    Brake Pad Pin Plug (#12) 2.2 lbs / ft.

    TRHOD
    I had trouble finding the diagram that was referred to, but I got it eventually. I'm going to try changing my front brakes tonight and maybe take some pictures. I'll post them if they add anything.


  10. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Posts
    168

    Default

    I changed both front and rear brake pads last night without any problems. I tried taking pictures but nothing came out useable.

    Front brakes went pretty much like the writeup said.

    1) I took careful note of the location of the pad spring below the hangar pin

    2) I used a 14mm socket to loosen the top bolt. Only loosened 1 turn. Mine was not hard to loosen but others talk about it being VERY tight.

    3) I used a large flathead screw driver to remove the bolt cover (plug). Again, it was not very tight.

    4) I used a #5 alan wrench to remove the hangar pin. It was not tight.

    5) The inside brake pad fell out as soon as the pin retracted enough.

    6) The outside pad was very easy to remove once the pin came out.

    7) I should have taken a paper towel with wd-40 or some other cleaner and cleaned around the pistons to remove road grime but I didn't.

    8 ) lying on my back, I used both hands to squeez the bottom most piston back into the caliper. It took allot of force and 4 or 5 efforts. I'm not sure if a wood clamp or something else could have helped. I tried doing it before removing the brake pad but there was no way that I could do it. I worked until the piston was all the way back in.

    9) Again, lying down and using both hands I squeezed the upper piston back into the caliper. It was much harder because it's deeper in and I had less leverage. I got it almost all the way but couldn't get that last bit so that both brake pads could fit back in. I put the outside pad in place, then pushed the whole caliper assembly towards the rotor and managed to get the last little bit.

    10) Putting brake pads back in place was just a matter of feel until the nose of the pad settled into the right place and the pin could go easily through the hole.

    11) I re-tightened the pin, plug, and upper bolt then pumped the brakes and took a ride.


    Note: The pad spring never came loose or fell out so I didn't have to replace it. I'm not sure the upper bolt even needed to be loosened. I barely loosened it and maybe that's why the spring didn't come loose.



    The Rear brakes went exactly like Red Sonja's post said, with the exception that I didn't use a wood clamp to compress the cylinder. I did clean the cylinder with WD-40, then used my fingers to force the cylinder back in. It was much easier than either of the front two cylinders.

  11. #10
    Pope "papa" of the VTXOA Chicago-Spike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2003
    Location
    St Charles, IL.
    Posts
    55,689

    Default

    Pad Wear Indicator;


    DLP Sells Victory Too
    2002 VTX1800 C
    AMA Life Member 721314

  12. #11
    Member MFD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    57

    Default Loctite on threads

    Changed my pads last night. (2004 1300 C) Everything went smooth and quick. But...I saw in one of the posts to use Loctite on the threads. I used "red" and of course, today I saw to use "blue" AFTER the fact. Today, I tried to remove the bolts ( which I was able to do ), but I couldn't get the little screw covers for the pins to budge. Am I screwed the next time I do brakes? Or does anybody have any ideas how to loosen these? If I apply heat, am I going to damage the calipers? Hopefully I won't have to deal with it for a long time, but just in case...

  13. #12
    Junior Member tonytoohot's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Brooklyn, New York
    Posts
    16

    Default

    Did my brakes today and it took all of 20 minutes!

    Note: if after you removed the pads and you want to depress the cylinders loosening the pin (#8 above) you can GENTLY slide the cylinders against the rotors and they will depress!

    Also I found that in order to seat the inner pad it helps to look in from the other side of the tire to sight the seating clips. By reaching around the tire it helped to manipulate the hinge into the clip at the top of the brake unit.

    Hopes this helps. Just saved my self $75.00 buck. Man is this site great!!!!
    "Sometimes the arrows are coming from inside the fort!!!"

    2007 VTX Retro. Kuryakyn and Big Bike Chrome all the way around. Pro-series R Hypercharger, Cobra Light bar, V&H Cruzers, Saddleman Explorer seat. 4 inch Risers. Saddleman Explorer Gel Seat, Dunlop white walls

  14. #13
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Olive Branch, MS.
    Posts
    8

    Default Very well written

    Helped a friend change both front/rear pads, after reviewing the tutorial from this thread, it turned out to be very easy. Thanks for all the great pics from each step.

  15. #14
    Senior Member GeminiII's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Marietta, GA
    Posts
    2,224

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by MFD View Post
    ........ but I couldn't get the little screw covers for the pins to budge. Am I screwed the next time I do brakes? Or does anybody have any ideas how to loosen these? If I apply heat, am I going to damage the calipers? Hopefully I won't have to deal with it for a long time, but just in case...
    Been there. I did not apply heat but did shear the screwdriver groove so bad there was no way to remove the brake pad pin screw cover with a screwdriver. I drilled the little screw cover dead center so as to not damage the screw grooves in the caliper and then used a screw extractor. Do not drill too deep or else you will ruin the hex head of the pin underneath.
    When ordering a replacement screw cover, I ordered a few extras.
    Last edited by GeminiII; 07-23-2011 at 06:12 AM.

  16. #15
    Member MFD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    Connecticut
    Posts
    57

    Default

    Thanks to everyone for your input. I haven't attempted to remove these again since the first try. I am saving your ideas for when I do have to do brakes again, (which won't be for a while), or if I have to remove the calipers for any other reason. One of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" things for now. B.T W....Did Progressive springs and 440's since the brake fiasco. Big difference in the ride. Especially when riding 2 up.

  17. #16
    Senior Member papa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Cookson, OK.
    Posts
    3,253

    Default Make your own down under bracket for less then $10.00

    For those of you that have a few simple hand tools, and access to a welder, you can make a down under bracket on the cheap. All you really need is a drill, hack-saw, access to a welder, 17" X 1/4" X 1-1/2" flat steel and a couple bolts and a nut.
    I thought I would like to share the blue print with all my vtx friends.
    You can substitute the 7/16' bar stock in the blue print with 1/4" X 1-1/2" flat steel stock, you only need 17" of it. Most 1/4" flat is just under 1/4" so by welding the two together you will stay under 1/2" which on many bikes will not fit. Cut it at 9-1/4" and butt two ends together and weld the sides and ends. Drill your pilot holes as to the specs in the blue print, then finish drill the holes to 9/16". At the opposite end of the step, (the thick end) you can either weld in a 9/16'' bolt or a 9/16 dow pin. Only 3/4" of the stop bolt or dow should protrude from the bracket.
    You will need to purchase the other nut and bolt listed on the blue print, follow the instructions and you will be good to go. Now you can add fender skirts, or just have a cleaner look to the rear tire. Good luck to all who wish to make their own.
    This is the original blue print and the 21/32" hole will need to be 9/16" to use the above method.





    Last edited by papa; 12-14-2011 at 10:36 PM.
    Remember, it wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark!
    My Shipping Container Transformation
    http://seacontainercabin.blogspot.com/

+ Reply to Thread

Quick Reply Quick Reply

Register Now

Please enter the name by which you would like to log-in and be known on this site.
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.

Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.


Posting Permissions

  • You may post new threads
  • You may post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •