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post #11 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-09-2017, 04:36 PM
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I'm sad to read this, but it probably creates an investment opportunity. I'm talking about Polaris stock, rather than a Vic. They are down ~$3 on the day... more slippage tomorrow wouldn't surprise me, and buying in to PII at about $82 would probably be a pretty strong money-maker in the coming year.
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post #12 of 47 (permalink) Old 01-09-2017, 04:46 PM
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May be they resurrect the Victory brand somewhere down the road as well .... if the cruiser market ever comes back.
I believe they jumped on the nostalgia(indian) bandwagon and it paid off. However, the days of resurrecting what used to be is going to change with the coming generation and if Polaris wants to continue their growth, they had better be dumping lots of dough into researching what it is that the consumer is going to want badly in the next decade. I'm strictly referring to the two-wheelers not the atv market.
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Wow. Never ever saw that coming and thought that Victory would be headed more for the sportier market and leave the heavy cruiser lifting to Indian.

Victory had a nice diverse lineup and I like the Cross Country a lot except for the clunky drive train. The Indians have a smooth and if anything, more refined engine if you like the polarizing valanced fender (I do).

When a major mc producer goes under, all riders lose out imo. And American made :0(
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I see an issue with Indian sales..... dealers here have already offered big discounts, and now the prospective buyers may be spooked by Polaris ceasing production of Victory Motorcycles...


Just Sayin'.

I'm on my 4th Victory. This is a 2015 Gunner. Looks like the resale value just went further into the toilet.
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November 2004.. looking for a new bike

came down to the Honda VTX1800 F.. or the Victory Hammer.. both NOT in production YET.

Honda was 2 months, Victory was 8 months.. I was not going to miss the summer of 2005...

but I would have NO Issue getting a New Victory.. this year if I had the money.
good deals should be along soon.
but current owners are loosing money.. so JUST KEEP THEM. and ride.
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I think, like @Harkon and @Travis311 said, that it may make buying a "new" Victory a much "cheaper" option, soon.
I believe that Polaris is "consolidating" their money and efforts into the Indian and Slingshot ventures, which could be a smart move. Time will tell, though.

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I believe they jumped on the nostalgia(indian) bandwagon and it paid off. However, the days of resurrecting what used to be is going to change with the coming generation and if Polaris wants to continue their growth, they had better be dumping lots of dough into researching what it is that the consumer is going to want badly in the next decade. I'm strictly referring to the two-wheelers not the atv market.
I agree. Indian will need to offer a much more diverse lineup to remain profitable. The thing is, in this market, Harley is still the 800lb gorilla and has a pretty deep product line. For Harley, what doesn't work remains funded/carried by what does. With Indian, Polaris will only bleed funds from another business unit for so long until it just doesn't make sense anymore. It's odd, but neither Polaris nor Bombardier belong in this space, so they need to do it better than everyone else. Bringing a me too product just doesn't work. That's why Bombarier is on 3 wheels. It doesn't go head on with the 800lb gorilla. Indian will ride on it's brand for a while, but it will be tough to grow year in/out without some innovation and diversification.

Harley, as the 800lb gorilla of the NA cruiser/heavy touring market, will also need to find some innovation. Aligning themselves in foreign markets was a big step towards this. I think we will be seeing some new things from the MoCo as well. There are rumors of a Spyder like trike that looks a bit like a full sized Piaggio scooter with the ability to lean. I think we will see better small / entry level bikes from the MoCo as well. As I see it, the big cruiser wars are all but over for the current time.


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I am not ware of any company that has been successful competing against itself. Victory v Indian But also consider how many startups have failed. Just look at the many attempts to resurrect Indian before Polaris did it. And it is still got a long way to go to be successful.

And as noted elsewhere on this site that Honda seems to be moving away from its cruiser bikes. Maybe the market is saturated and the economy just is not generating enough jobs and money for folks to buy toys!

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I am not ware of any company that has been successful competing against itself. Victory v Indian

It happens all the time. Toyota corporate puts out the Toyota line, and also the upscale Lexus line. Ditto with "entry level" Nissan, and upscale Infiniti. Honda and Acura.


But the lesson that Polaris has learned is that the V-twin market is small, limited, and NOT growing. They are probably right.
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