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for brakes..

since 1975.. all my bikes had 3 disc rotors... fat front tires.... whoa is GOOD..

ride a 1966 Honda CB77. (305). 2 drum brakes.. and in the rain.... the transmission is your only hope.
now there was a bike that DEMANDED a 5 speed...
the GAP between second and third was massive .
think of a 400 mile trip.. with a twin at 9,000 rpms... I did a few times.
aka 70mph. MAX SPEED... with just me aboard.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CB450

1966 to the USA, Honda released its "HOT ROD". big bike.. CB450 twin..
that is history.
Like I have said many times..
most motorcyclists today..
would NOT ride back then.
other 3 japan bikes were 2 cycle... fast with even higher rpm's

British bikes were larger 650cc.. and shook much worse...
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Love my '06 1800 C. My list, is like many others here.

Pro's

Good power

Great brakes

Rock solid reliability

Sure footed feeling (not nervous like some other bikes I've been on)

Ultra reliable, smooth near maintenance free shaft drive

Looks

Ride and Handling

Price (these bikes can be had really cheap now)



Con's (these are just "nit picky" stuff. Nothing major

Fuel tank size. Big looking, but doesn't hold a lot of fuel

Would have liked to have seen a legitimate fuel gauge.

Dummy light layout on the "C" models is at a bad angle and poorly lit. I find I'm needing to lean forward over my tank and take my eyes off the road, in order to see them. Not ideal

Leg room. This isn't really VTX specific as I find most bikes a little on the "tight" side for my 6'3" frame. A set of Baron XTREME handlebars and Jardine Forward controls solved that issue for the most part. New seat is next.

Exhaust note.....anyone who owns an 1800 understands this one

New parts are starting to become obsolete. Thankfully, the used market is still pretty saturated with plenty of good parts.

Would have liked to have seen more of an RPM range with this engine and or a 6-speed gearbox....but this is just a personal preference.
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sure.. if you would have been willing to spend 50 percent more , the New bike price....

space... a very costly engine bottom end.. to avoid the counterbalancer..
6 speed..... no room.. and stronger gears...

and HONDA could not sell a 1800 for $13,000 so $18K would be out of the question.

it was meant as a bar hopper... like a street Harley..( NOT a Tourer ). just a little faster.
and the reason the 1300 came OUT one year after the 1800...

bar hoppers has no need for a good seat... or 6th gear.
.
notice everyone that complains about the 1800.. never got one NEW...
I still use my original stock seat.. 86,000 miles and I am 68 years OLD.

I did .. I got one of the very FIRST "F" off the production line.
I could have got in 2005 a 2002 "C" in the crate for 4k less....


wanting a Tourer. and getting a bar hopper... ??????????? its a bar hopper.
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Well, since people have also chimed in about the 1300 and I have some free time, here goes mine:

Pros:

- Best looking Japanese cruiser up to 1700ccs. Talking vs Kawa's Vulcan 1500/1600, Suzuki's 1500 (older version & newer), Yamaha's Vstar 1300 & 1600.
- Has as much torque (or more) as the above Japanese cruisers despite "only" being 1300 ccs. The VTX 1300 will also take any 88in HDs and can hang with the 96s all day long. That's if you care about HDs and piss contesting.
- Powerful acceleration, even with 2 up.
- Loaded to the gills in weight (i.e. touring with hard bags/trunk/2up/clothes for a week), it still pulls hard. Enough torque for everything you need.
- Carving canyons is good for a cruiser. The VTX 1300 feels stout in corners unless rear shocks are trashed. Good rear shocks installed turn the machine into a smooth sweep-eating work horse.
- Takes any abuse you give it to it.
- Superb reliability. I've put the 1300 to the extreme and she never fainted or looked like she needed any rest.
- Great sound with stock pipes.
- Single carb so easy to work with and no synching needed.
- A smooth machine once you get to know how to clutch her.
- Responds really well to synthetic oil (not trying to start an oil war, this is IMO).
- Brakes are surprisingly good for a cruiser of this size.
- You can still get most OEM parts easily.
- Plenty of aftermarket accessories. The VTX 1300 was one of the best selling cruisers in the US so the aftermarket industry reacted.
- The VTX 1300 responds very well to turning it into a comfy tourer. Or a Sunday cruiser. Or a truly chopped customized scooter.
- Edited to add: this forum. Incredibly-knowledgeable folks here; you can learn everything about the VTX in this forum. You'll also be corrected when wrong; no hard feelings. This forum and the VTX's manual, all you need.

My IMO Cons:

- Jerky and drive lash. Nature of the beast but its competitors have less of it.
- Noisy and rattles. Easy to fix but will drive you mad until you find them. VTX 1800 is the same. Synth oil helps with quieting down the machine too.
- No ABS.
- No fuel gauge of any sort. If you happen to be on a tight turn and you run into reserve, you'll be in for a dangerous experience. While I hate this, it's imperative that you re-set your trip meter at every fuel filling. At 145 miles I know for sure I will run into reserve, so I just switch the reserve switch at 130 mph and know I have about 50 miles more to go. That way you avoid any possible reserve-switch-flipping dangerous scenarios. Seriously, re-set every time you fill the bike.
- Rear shocks are absolute garbage. Replace them.
- Gas tank is huge and beautiful looking but does not hold enough fuel. Competitors have smaller uglier tanks holding more fuel.
- You can tell up close that Honda built the 1300 as a cheaper version of the 1800 and not just a smaller CC bike.
- Barely any gains hp/tq with air/carb/pipes modding. Nature of the beast again.
- Not as roomy as its competitors. The VTX 1300 feels more like a 900cc cruiser here. Can be fixed with aftermarket parts.


Other cons you'll hear which I don't mind:

- It's a Harley clon. Yeah, whatever, bro.
- Too much plastic. I agree to a point but my answer is "meh". No plastic where it matters (e.g. rear fender).
- Tank gas seam. Blah blah blah. Next.
- No wow torque or crazy fast speeds. The VTX 1300 pulls hard up to 90 miles per hour. From there upwards, she feels out of air compared to the 1800 for which the latter just keeps pulling.
- Valve adjustments. Sure, but having hydraulic adjusters eats away HPs. That's a reason why the VTX 1300 has more HP than the Kawasaki VN 1600.
- No 6th gear. I've never felt I needed a sixth gear unless cruising for hours at illegal speeds. A 6th gear would also take away from the machine's power. The VTX 1300 was not made to have a 6th gear as its purpose was not touring at ticket-rendering speeds. Touring for hours at 70-80 mph is smooth. No need for a 6th gear.
- No cruise control. Easy fix. You won't find cruise control on any of the 1300's competitors.
- No auto cancelling turn signals. Learn to get into the habit of cancelling your turn signals for your own safety. It could be worse like having each turn signal on each side of the handlebar.
- It's only "80incs" or "1300". Honda built a powerful machine for "just" 1300ccs and designed in 2001/2002. Competitors which designed cruisers with more CCs in later years didn't beat the "1300ccs" Honda in the hp/tq department. Do not be fooled by the 1300ccs denomination; the VTX 1300 is a powerful beast. Just don't go against any 1800cc Hondas or Suzukis, or any 1700/1900 Yamahas. Or maybe any 103in HDs.


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Originally Posted by leroys73 View Post
seat is a pain to reinstall unless you do the mod
Mind if I ask what seat mod is this since you're talking about the 1300? I thought the seat pin mod was for the 1800. Never needed to do any mods to reinstall an (aftermarket) seat on the 1300.


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1800 Neo Retro, stock with after market windscreen.

Con, I haven’t found any yet, I’ve only ridden 300(or so) miles since purchase. There are things that need addressed, but that’s why I’m here.
The 1800 Neo is the best 1800 of all IMO. You won't find any issues with it. You're a lucky guy to own such a beast.

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sure.. if you would have been willing to spend 50 percent more , the New bike price....

space... a very costly engine bottom end.. to avoid the counterbalancer..
6 speed..... no room.. and stronger gears...

and HONDA could not sell a 1800 for $13,000 so $18K would be out of the question.

it was meant as a bar hopper... like a street Harley..( NOT a Tourer ). just a little faster.
and the reason the 1300 came OUT one year after the 1800...

bar hoppers has no need for a good seat... or 6th gear.
.
notice everyone that complains about the 1800.. never got one NEW...
I still use my original stock seat.. 86,000 miles and I am 68 years OLD.

I did .. I got one of the very FIRST "F" off the production line.
I could have got in 2005 a 2002 "C" in the crate for 4k less....


wanting a Tourer. and getting a bar hopper... ??????????? its a bar hopper.
Jeeze Chuck, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you took my list of con's personally? Time to switch to Decafe, my friend.

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Jeeze Chuck, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you took my list of con's personally? Time to switch to Decafe, my friend.

Never personal...


Sorry my friend if you did take it personal...


Honda and other manufacturers.. only hear New owners... issues.


my opinion...

the VTX1800 was a looser from the start.. but the surveys... years before the VTX ,said to make the VTX as it is. and HONDA Lost..

market changed FASTER then Honda could make a BIG New V-Twin... and NOT be a Harley twin.. like the VTX1300....

did you know the prototype of the first goldwing... was a flat 6.. but went into production as a flat 4... both were 1000cc.... customer Fear...and gas mileage... cars were downsizing big time.

oil embargo.. 1974....


coffee is not the problem.. mental illness is... and loosing eye sight..

one or the other will stop me... typing or living.
no treatment for both... and no time frame.. 1 to 10 years is anyone guess.

again apologies

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average gasoline prices from 1990 to 2018


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look between 2002 and 2008... life of the 1800
bad customer advice
bad market planing
bad timing
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I was born with one working eye.. and Nuts.. aka anti-social.
both eyes now have an issue. its NOT dry Eye...
its when I sleep my eyelids are trying to attach to my eye lens..

so in the morning I tear a small amount of eye lens off... at some point I will not have a lens...
mental.. 2 types.. both.. can be terminal.. and no treatment..
I will go catatonic... or forget to breath...

do not feel sorry for me.. I hope not to offend the good people here..
I Trust Mr. Spike will keep me in check... or others will contact Mr. Spike.. to stop me.

carry on.. Ride Safe, Ride Often....

tell the ones you Love.. that you Do...
I only have a Wife.. and she might go before me.. no children, no relatives.

WE ARE OLD...
I am at 390,000 motorcycle miles.. I hope to go to 400,000...
this is the first time I made this public... anywhere..
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