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Honda sold around 89,000 VTX's so i don't understand the "lost their asses off them" part. Yeah the Rune, yes, but my understanding is the Rune was built as intended as a limited edition show-off of engineering not intended for large scale sales to begin with.
Because you weren't around in 2004/2005 when the prices on them suddenly went from &14,000 OTD to $8,000 OTD and you could get crated 2003 bikes all the way up to 2007. Yeah, they made so many they couldn't sell them all and had them stored in crates in warehouse dealerships all over the country. Guys that paid MSRP on our 2002 bikes in 2002 were pretty pissed about about the sudden price cuts just a couple years later. So, Honda made them, priced them to sell at $14k and then 2 years into it they had to cut the prices in half just to sell off old stock and then drop the current model years the same amount
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Because you weren't around in 2004/2005 when the prices on them suddenly went from &14,000 OTD to $8,000 OTD and you could get crated 2003 bikes all the way up to 2007. Yeah, they made so many they couldn't sell them all and had them stored in crates in warehouse dealerships all over the country. Guys that paid MSRP on our 2002 bikes in 2002 were pretty pissed about about the sudden price cuts just a couple years later. So, Honda made them, priced them to sell at $14k and then 2 years into it they had to cut the prices in half just to sell off old stock and then drop the current model years the same amount
Thanks for the explanation, makes sense now. you're right i wasnt around back then looking at prices of bikes, didnt get back into bikes until Jan 2012.
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You could still get a crated, brand new VTX in 2012 or later if I remember right. They stopped rolling off the line in 2007 when the 2009 models were being made. I'll try to dig up one of the old threads with crated bikes

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Was I mad??? Not really, I wanted the VTX as it was the biggest, badest VTwin on the road for about 18 months. So I paid the premium and enjoyed every ride on it. I bought mine in January of 2002 and rode it home in Chicago when it was 25 degrees out. Problem was, Honda never did anything after they designed it. They just let it stagnate and never improved on it, never changed it internally or externally other than offering different tins. The basic bike was the same from 2001 until the end of production. Honda never even tried to take back the top spot from Yamaha, or Kawasaki once they rolled out a bigger and more powerful VTwin. So, people jumped to those bikes further killing the sales of the VTX. Honda just really dropped the ball on the 1800 line in 2002 and they never recovered
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Was I mad??? Not really, I wanted the VTX as it was the biggest, badest VTwin on the road for about 18 months. So I paid the premium and enjoyed every ride on it. I bought mine in January of 2002 and rode it home in Chicago when it was 25 degrees out. Problem was, Honda never did anything after they designed it. They just let it stagnate and never improved on it, never changed it internally or externally other than offering different tins. The basic bike was the same from 2001 until the end of production. Honda never even tried to take back the top spot from Yamaha, or Kawasaki once they rolled out a bigger and more powerful VTwin. So, people jumped to those bikes further killing the sales of the VTX. Honda just really dropped the ball on the 1800 line in 2002 and they never recovered
Agreed. It was/is a very solid platform and could easily have produced 110 to 120 Hp and survived nicely. Properly massaged they could have gotten more out of it, but Honda, I think, expected a bigger rush on the VTX, especially the 1800. When that failed to meet expectations, instead of investing in the lineup, chose not to take the risk. One of the reasons, I'm sure, we never saw a dresser V-Twin from big red. Likely, from a purely business dollars and cents standpoint, Honda may have done the responsible thing. OTOH, the Rune was anything but responsible, and Honda could have bought some serious respect by creating a V-Twin power cruiser horsepower war.


That BTW, would have been a serious kick in the soft parts to Harley. Likely they would have had to abandon the V-Rod way sooner, or seriously step it up.
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Agreed. It was/is a very solid platform and could easily have produced 110 to 120 Hp and survived nicely. Properly massaged they could have gotten more out of it, but Honda, I think, expected a bigger rush on the VTX, especially the 1800. When that failed to meet expectations, instead of investing in the lineup, chose not to take the risk.
Honda has done this with other models in the past. Give up when there very close to producing something great that might have been a winner.
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Honda has done this with other models in the past. Give up when there very close to producing something great that might have been a winner.
Agreed. Likely, from a purely business standpoint, these are, at least mostly, wise decisions, yet we as consumers still want what we want.


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Because you weren't around in 2004/2005 when the prices on them suddenly went from &14,000 OTD to $8,000 OTD and you could get crated 2003 bikes all the way up to 2007. Yeah, they made so many they couldn't sell them all and had them stored in crates in warehouse dealerships all over the country. Guys that paid MSRP on our 2002 bikes in 2002 were pretty pissed about about the sudden price cuts just a couple years later. So, Honda made them, priced them to sell at $14k and then 2 years into it they had to cut the prices in half just to sell off old stock and then drop the current model years the same amount
Looks like the VTX 1800 story turned to be an urban legend for now.
In 2004 I was on the market and purchased a VTX 1300C for a few hundred off MSRP. It was still over 9K. There was no new VTX 1800 around that price range. I checked prices nationwide on both the 1300 and 1800. Almost went to IL for a cheaper 1300, but it was a scam...

I think, Honda sold a decent amount of VTX 1800 compared to others (it that engine size range). The problem was, that they expected to sell even more, what didn't happen.


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Looks like the VTX 1800 story turned to be an urban legend for now.
In 2004 I was on the market and purchased a VTX 1300C for a few hundred off MSRP. It was still over 9K. There was no new VTX 1800 around that price range. I checked prices nationwide on both the 1300 and 1800. Almost went to IL for a cheaper 1300, but it was a scam...
July 2004, friend picked up a red 1800C in St. Cloud MN for $7,500. 3 others including me went to Sioux City IA and picked up a black, blue and orange for $7,300.

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July 2004, friend picked up a red 1800C in St. Cloud MN for $7,500. 3 others including me went to Sioux City IA and picked up a black, blue and orange for $7,300.
Damn, couldn't find one advertised for that price, so I bought a 1300...
Years later still didn't see one under $8000.
A 2 years old new bike for about half of MSRP? So, how much was a used one that time?
In 2005, a 2003 VTX1800 with low miles and with some damages sold for $5400 on an auction at Crashedtoys.


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