Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Denver and Chicago
You can assume what you want. It is assumption, though. Doesn't matter if you care about overhead or not, you aren't running the business. Honda's costs likely are lower, that's what they manufacture bikes in Asia now. Your understanding of how business is done, especially internationally is rather shallow and doesn't take nearly enough into account.
The 60 year old technology is an old and dead argument. Because it isn't water cooled? Please. Because it uses pushrods? Really? There is far more tech in my 2012 Road Glide than in any VTX ever, and counts only the fuel management, ignition and brakes. Have you owned both? Recently? You assume much. Not reliable? I honestly have had fewer issues with my Harley than I did with my VTX. As in I haven't had an issue yet. I loved my Honda and wouldn't hesitate to take it on the road anytime. I have the same confidence in my Harley. Of course I do take good care of it. Regular maintenance and so forth, just like my Honda got.
It is certainly a wonderful thing, our free market. You are free to purchase what you want, seeing whatever value in it that you wish. I would never call out anyone for doing so. Misinformation is what I'm calling out here. They are wonderful things ... opinions, and the freedom to voice them as fact.
This looks like you are arguing that hd should be proud of their margins.
And they should. They are higher and healthier than Honda. Tht was never the point of the discussion.
The point was that the person who pays that premium is the HD rider. Apparently that group of people find the utility of the bike worth the premium.
I think the antiquitated engine design is enough for me to pass. No way I would pay a premium for inferior design. For you itís not an antique and itís worth the premium. I donít care either way and that is not the point of the discussion for me.
It doesnít change the fact that HD is overpriced compared to the competition. And it also doesnít change the fact that HD will continue to struggle so long as people like myself find it to be overpriced.
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