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A couple years ago I was working security at a bar in northern Virginia. I overheard a table of college kids arguing about gun rights and gun control and it was getting far too emotional so I did what any sane combat veteran would do and attempted to exfiltrate. I must not have withdrawn as surreptitiously as I intended, because I was stopped in my tracks when a 5-foot-nothing brunette seemingly leapt in front of me and blurted out "excuse me, can you help us?"

I'm sure I must have looked irritated as I cycled through the possible quips and excuses I considered available to me but being uncertain that she wasn't some Senator's daughter, I caved: "What's up?"

She basically leads me to this table of 2 other females (probably both named Karen) and a very soft looking male.

Becky: "So, we were just talking about current events and, you know. So, you look like you're probably in the military, right? Like the Army?"

(When you accuse someone of being in the military you probably don't need to give an example)

Me: "Similar.. yea"

Becky: "Right. Okay. So, do you think civilians should be allowed to own guns?"

Me: "Most of us. Yes."

Becky: (clearly not happy with my answer) "Okay, so, why do you think you need a gun?"

(At this point it's almost 2am and I've just given up on patience. Hold my beer)

(With intentionally overt condescension): "Oh, honey, I don't. I don't need a gun."

Becky stares at me blankly, so I continue, but with a more serious tone:

"I could follow you home, walk up your driveway, and beat you to death with the daily newspaper.

I could choke you to death with that purse.

I could take a credit card, break it in half, and cut your throat open with it.

With enough time and effort I could beat your boyfriend here with a rolled up pair of socks.

I could probably dream up six dozen other ways I could easily end your life if you gave me an hour or so.

If I wanted to, I could wrap my hand around that beer mug and kill all four of you before you could make it to the exit. The worst part is, in your utopian little fantasyland, there ain't a thing any of you could do about it.

I don't need a gun.

You need a gun.

You need a gun because of men like me."

Call me a jerk, but if you want to keep your guns, these are the conversations we all need to start having.


http://knuckledraggin.com/2019/03/i-dont-need-a-gun-you-do/
 

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in junior and senior high school.. I was bullied... all the time...

gym teacher got me into weight lifting.... within a year.. them bullies... were slammed into metal lockers... you slam one into a locker with 50 see-ing it... not much happens after that.

I never learned to fight.. but got real good at putting a person on the ground.... hard.


at the end of it all.. "SKILLS".. are Good.


but then 6'3" and 200 pounds had it own defense. back then.
got to love school.... NOT...


Thank You for your service,
I signed up.. but was 4F.. but I tried. 1968
 

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i too was bullied in high school and many years before that. My Dad was having none of that. He always said that if he's bigger than you pick up a brick and hit him with it. Well I never did that but I did fight back. Sometimes I lost and sometimes I won and I never gave up. In some cases I was so angry that I would bully someone who disagreed with me. After high school it stopped and life went on. I was the little guy with a big bad Irish temper. School can be awful for some students and the schools need to take a firm hand in controlling it.
 

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In the UK we don't have guns. We do have escalating knife crime though. What we do need is to look out for each other and to get stuck in when we see crime. To live with honour and with duty and to protect those who cannot protect themselves (for whatever reason that is.)
 

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Here in ky come June 1st , we can legally carry concealed weapon without a permit.
Good to know. Though my state has reciprocity with y'all's on carry permits so I m good, thank you. :)
Out of curiosity, does that new law apply only to residents of the state?

In the meantime, citizen of Great Britain get knifed with no means of protecting themselves. Liberal pussy-ass ruling at its best. *shrug*
 

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In the UK we don't have guns. We do have escalating knife crime though.
I was in the UK last year and dind't realize I was committing horrible crimes by carrying my usual mace and pocket knife around. Glad some of y'all's liberal pussy-ass cops didn't stop me and pat me down. Otherwise I'd be staying in the UK on death row now. *eek*
How are y'all supposed to defend your lives against a thug with a knife or a gun? With a newspaper? Or a pen? I hear it's mightier than the sword. *shrug*
Be safe out there!
 

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Trudeau wants to leave a mark on his, hopeful, exit soon. He wants to ban all semi-automatic firearms. That supposedly would include many hunting firearms, and most handguns. Apparently a revolver fits his description as semi-automatic. I don't see this going anywhere simply because its been tried before, and there just isn't enough time left to ram it through the legislature, but it's almost like he's a spoiled beat who's being told his turn as team captain is done, so he's going to ruin it for everyone.


Like we don't already have enough firearm restrictions.
 

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Fantasyland?


That's the land of people who buy a gun thinking suddenly they no longer have to fear someone walking up to them and beating them to death with a newspaper, or slitting their throat with a credit card, or how about yanking their purse out of their hands, pulling out the tiny handgun they bought for protection and shooting them with it? :surprise:



My point being that buying/owning a handgun doesn't free anyone from the possiblility of becoming a victim of random violence, and furthermore, statistics show that owning one will likely increase your chances of being shot by that same gun and if you have a teen that they will use it on themselves.



Just buying/owning a gun doesn't mean you know how to use it in self defense and statistically the chances of the average person being in a situation where it saves their life is far outweighed by the chance of them or another family member being injured by that same gun.


Gun owners (I'm one) would have a lot more credibility if they didn't cling to myths so much and base their reasoning on invalid conclusions.



https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense
 

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I agree HOP. Owning a gun is just one part of it. Knowing how to use it is as important ... no, maybe more important than the weapon itself. I think, and I believe most responsible gun owners believe, that when one says you should have a gun, the knowledge to effectively use it is implied, and not mentioned ... but it certainly should be.


I think your picture is painted with a pretty broad brush though.
 

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I agree HOP. Owning a gun is just one part of it. Knowing how to use it is as important ... no, maybe more important than the weapon itself. I think, and I believe most responsible gun owners believe, that when one says you should have a gun, the knowledge to effectively use it is implied, and not mentioned ... but it certainly should be.


I think your picture is painted with a pretty broad brush though.

My broad brush point was addressing the broad brush myth that you're safer owning a gun. Something that gun owners would hate to admit is that a great deal of gun ownership is at it's core based on unfounded fears, greatly illustrated by the OP's exaggerated examples (beat you with a newspaper—Really!:roll:). The common motivations for gun ownership is less based on reason, and more based on imagined threats and imagined hypothetical situations with unlikely hero scenario outcomes. By the way, some of these threats are racially motivated. White male gun ownership outnumbers all others.



If we wade past the BS in regards to gun ownership, the real motivations are based on family culture, (were you raised with guns) male persona, (it's macho to own a gun) a false sense of security, and lastly because shooting them is fun. It's too easy to access studies that reveal the BS so pro-gun owner advocates would have more legitimacy if they just admit that just like owning a motorcycle is fun and dangerous, so is owning a gun and dammit I have a right to some fun danger— even if it could hurt me or my family someday.:a13:
 

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White male gun ownership outnumbers all others.


Question about this study. Is it just about registered gun owners? What about all the illegal gun ownership amongst all races?

Yes, rural people will most likely have guns. My cousins lived on a farm in Wisconsin. Guns were present, out in the open. But never an issue.

They used them to put food on the table. Deer, rabbit, even squirrels. We knew not to touch them as kids. And yes, most rural people are white.

And most of the shootings we don't hear of are most likely to be made with non-registered guns. Just take a look at Chicago, almost EVERY DAY.
So back to the first question.
 

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Just buying/owning a gun doesn't mean you know how to use it in self defense ...
Amen to that.
I know a lot of gun owners who have one for the heck of it. (usually a multitude of different reasons)
I know 0 other gun owners who train regularly.
I know 0 other gun owners who keep their weapon nearby at home (what good is it locked "safely" in a safe during a home invasion???)
I know 0 other gun owners who can shoot the same scores as I do (well, except for my instructors, of course).
I know 0 other gun owners who take training classes after obtaining their LTC.
I know MANY other gun owners who, IMHO, should not own a gun because they are a great threat to themselves and others.

As I mentioned in another thread here, responsibility is key with any deadly weapon.
 

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I know 0 other gun owners who train regularly.
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Wow. You need a better class of friends. My various shooting buds routinely get together. And an obvious part of male camaraderie is competition. We shoot drills from the holster, some with gun on the table, and others with gun in hand. Last month when we got together, one guy brought his neighbor, an NC Highway Patrolman. I’m happy to report having worn him out on plate drills. But he was a good sport about it and is welcome back any time.
 

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I see far less in the way of pro-gun, actually advocating gun ownership, rather than just protecting the right to it. I think the distinction is important. Of course we do see far less of it up here, so what I see in the US is definitely at arms length.
 

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I see far less in the way of pro-gun, actually advocating gun ownership, rather than just protecting the right to it. I think the distinction is important. Of course we do see far less of it up here, so what I see in the US is definitely at arms length.
Read some of Thomas Jefferson, who said, "An armed society, is a polite society.".
 

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In the UK we don't have guns. We do have escalating knife crime though. What we do need is to look out for each other and to get stuck in when we see crime. To live with honour and with duty and to protect those who cannot protect themselves (for whatever reason that is.)
And Imagine!! Even after ya do all this stuff:
To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To obey those placed in authority
To guard the honour of fellow knights
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
To respect the honour of women
Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
Never to turn the back upon a foe

The Queen picks Elton John over YOU!!

Perception. How we perceive a guy in armor, and wielding an 18 pound sword, (weight, not cost) as a romantic hero, but a guy in a Kevlar vest, and wielding an automatic rifle is a holy terror.
Go figure!:thumbup:
 

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