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A young kid here with a new HD RG Special 114 in vivid black has been trying his best to get me to race him every time I see him. This afternoon I took the bait and made a couple of my best effort runs at it. The first time I had him off the line but by the end of 2nd gear he was bike-link ahead, then we had to stop. Second time, again I had him off the line again for a short distance and he caught me as I went into 2nd gear, and by 3rd gear, it was clear I would not catch up no matter how far we went, and my VTX is no slouch. The megaphone exhausters on that HD have very strong and dominating sound effect as well, and I had no problem hearing it from my backseat position. Kudo's to pushrod technology :thumbup:
 

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A young kid here with a new HD RG Special 114 in vivid black has been trying his best to get me to race him every time I see him. This afternoon I took the bait and made a couple of my best effort runs at it. The first time I had him off the line but by the end of 2nd gear he was bike-link ahead, then we had to stop. Second time, again I had him off the line again for a short distance and he caught me as I went into 2nd gear, and by 3rd gear, it was clear I would not catch up no matter how far we went, and my VTX is no slouch. The megaphone exhausters on that HD have very strong and dominating sound effect as well, and I had no problem hearing it from my backseat position. Kudo's to pushrod technology :thumbup:
That says a LOT beating a well tuned VTX 1800, wow.
 

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I am very surprised, and I have ridden ,and owned many Harley's Most of then up graded and tuned.
All of the 96, 103 and 110 HD's around here have played second fiddle to my VTX at one time or another, but I've never toyed with one of the Milwaukee Eights before. I am impressed with this one, a 114, and I think all of the RG Specials are 114. It's possible that this bike has had some extras done to it, but I know it looks stock. The only noticeable difference is the riders, he is probably 120 LB wet, while I am a tad over 300 #, I don't know how much difference that makes. Wish there was something I could blame it on but I think my X just met it's match.:surprise:
 

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Having owned both a VTX 1800 and an M8 I would have believed, and have stated the opposite. That he would beat you off the line but you would reel him in and pass him in the long run.

How far did you two go before having to slow down?

Off the line is kind of subjective given that different riders may very well have much different capabilities of getting a good launch. I'd be almost willing to bet that you could do a quicker launch on an M8 than you can on your X.
 

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Harley loves the 107/114....

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Having owned both a VTX 1800 and an M8 I would have believed, and have stated the opposite. That he would beat you off the line but you would reel him in and pass him in the long run.

How far did you two go before having to slow down?

Off the line is kind of subjective given that different riders may very well have much different capabilities of getting a good launch. I'd be almost willing to bet that you could do a quicker launch on an M8 than you can on your X.
The first run was about 1/8 mile start to stop, second one about 1/3 mile. I did hit the rev limiter just momentarily in both 1st and 2nd on the longer stretch, dang it. I have a friend that has a 110 and this one seems to have WAY more power than the 110 does, I mean WAAAAAY more, not even close.
 

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Yeah, my FB is a beast for sure. And I recently had a new exhaust, K&N high flow filter and a torque cam installed, along with a tuner and a new tune. Now the peak torque is reached at about 2.5K and plateaus until about 4.5K, instead of a gradual climb and sharp dropoff. I had a couple of incidents when it was stock which made me hurry to buy a new seat with a backrest. Now, I wouldn't ride it without one.

I still think in a longer haul you'd reel him/me in.
 

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Yeah, my FB is a beast for sure. And I recently had a new exhaust, K&N high flow filter and a torque cam installed, along with a tuner and a new tune. Now the peak torque is reached at about 2.5K and plateaus until about 4.5K, instead of a gradual climb and sharp dropoff. I had a couple of incidents when it was stock which made me hurry to buy a new seat with a backrest. Now, I wouldn't ride it without one.

I still think in a longer haul you'd reel him/me in.
Some depends on what you did for a tune as well. If an HD stage 1 tune, it's still really lean and outside the power optimal A/F ratio. It can make a substantial difference. I added a PV to mine with a FM tune and it made a noticeable seat of the pants difference on my 103. I'd expect a 114 to respond even better.
 

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All true. I'm basing my seat of the pants belief though on the fact that my FB winds out much quicker than I recall my X ever doing. It might be due primarily to a tactile sensation though, as being a harley my FB feels like there's a whole lot more going on at speed than my X, which seemed much smoother. This makes me feel that the top speed of the X would be higher than that of the FB.

I do recall that HD had to purposely add in more vibration to the M8 during development because early testing and reviews by test riders that felt the motor was too smooth, for an HD. And it's the vibration that makes me feel like the X has a higher top end. But then again, I'm far from being an expert. I did have the same feeling about my Deuce too, at freeway speeds.

I did have a Stage 1 and 2 done on my bike in August. All HD Screamin' Eagle parts including the tuner, except for the air filter which is K&N.
 

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I'm not an aggressive rider myself, but it would be interesting to see a stock 1800 vs a stock 114 with equally size and skilled riders. There aren't really any reviews or videos of this kind of contest out there. I would lean toward the HD after what I saw today, at-least below 80mph. That RG-S also has the best sounding exhaust I've ever heard on any MC. I'm still well pleased with my Honda even if there's a new king of this little hill. :thumbup:

Exactly like the one here:
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I liked the sound of my bike from the factory. But I like it even better with the SE Street Cannons on it. Made it just a bit louder but noticeably deeper in tone. On my VTX I probably had half a dozen different exhaust before happening on a set of Roadhouse slip-ons that I put on it. That was the last set I ever wanted for it. The FB sounds even better than those did, to me. And with the new cam it lopes nicely once warmed up too.

Your observation of "at least below 80" is pretty much exactly what I was thinking when I mentioned that the X would beat the M8 in the long haul. I'm not an aggressive rider either. I only had my X above 80 a handful of times in nine years, and my FB only a couple of times so far. But from what I recall the X really comes into its own at 70, and is very smooth from that point onwards. My FB at 80, even in sixth gear, for some reason feels like it's making a lot of noise and is not as smooth (feeling) as the X. There's still plenty of throttle left, it's not a matter of straining at all, but I just feel like the X would keep climbing after the FB tops out. I can't recall what rpm the rev limiter kicks in on the X but I think it's about 5400 on the Softails. I'm thinking the X is north of that. From what I understand the HD Touring bikes are set up differently and run smoother at higher speeds.
 

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All true. I'm basing my seat of the pants belief though on the fact that my FB winds out much quicker than I recall my X ever doing. It might be due primarily to a tactile sensation though, as being a harley my FB feels like there's a whole lot more going on at speed than my X, which seemed much smoother. This makes me feel that the top speed of the X would be higher than that of the FB.

I do recall that HD had to purposely add in more vibration to the M8 during development because early testing and reviews by test riders that felt the motor was too smooth, for an HD. And it's the vibration that makes me feel like the X has a higher top end. But then again, I'm far from being an expert. I did have the same feeling about my Deuce too, at freeway speeds.

I did have a Stage 1 and 2 done on my bike in August. All HD Screamin' Eagle parts including the tuner, except for the air filter which is K&N.
My X ran hard into to rev limiter. It's like sometimes it would take you by surprise. My 103 lays down way sooner than that and to get the most out of it, it's almost like short shifting the X. I found state of tune makes a real seat of the pants difference, at least on the 103. With the header and FM Jackpot mufflers I picked up a real hit in the mid range. Added some reducers in the mufflers and the hit comes right off the line now, but the engine lays down sooner. Perfect for touring and 2 up, not so much for racing ... but hey, it's a 103 and a half ton of Milwaukee so racing maybe is not it's best feature.


Generally Stage 2 involves cams. A 114 with a good stage 2 should do very well against a VTX and should show a 109R a respectable run.
 

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My X ran hard into to rev limiter. It's like sometimes it would take you by surprise. My 103 lays down way sooner than that and to get the most out of it, it's almost like short shifting the X. I found state of tune makes a real seat of the pants difference, at least on the 103. With the header and FM Jackpot mufflers I picked up a real hit in the mid range. Added some reducers in the mufflers and the hit comes right off the line now, but the engine lays down sooner. Perfect for touring and 2 up, not so much for racing ... but hey, it's a 103 and a half ton of Milwaukee so racing maybe is not it's best feature.


Generally Stage 2 involves cams. A 114 with a good stage 2 should do very well against a VTX and should show a 109R a respectable run.

As you know Hark the Stage 2 can include either a torque or a power cam. I chose the torque because I don't ride at the speed or the rpm's where the power cam begins to deliver its advantages. So you may be on to something, with a power cam it could very well give an X a run for its money. Mine peaks well before that I think.
 
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