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I traded my '03 1800R on the Burgman 650 about five months ago, and the dealer finally was able to sell it last week.

I was starting to feel almost guilty for trading it in to him because every time I'd go up there to look around at stuff, there'd be my nice silver 1800 just sitting there with dust and rain-water spots all over it.

I don't know for sure what he got for it, but the last time I looked it was $6900, but I imagine he took less for it this late in the season.

I'm amazed that such a nice machine would have to sit that long to attract someone. The dealer just said something about how Honda is discounting all it's VTX 'left-overs' and hurting the used market for this bike. I've pretty much known that all along, and it sucks.

 

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When an '03 1800R in great condition sells for no more than a ten year old Sportster, it's a shame......unless you're a potential buyer with half-a-brain, then it's a reward from God for using the smarts and good taste he gave you....sort of a 'perk' for showing some sense.

The person who bought my 'old' bike got a heck of a machine for relatively little money. Good for him! :D
 

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Art,

How do like the Burgman 650????

Those are on my list of possible 2nd rides as well as a C50T or M50.

Dale
 

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Man, here in Mesa AZ we have a dealer that has new X's coming and going all the time. Every time I stop by there is usually another used X I haven't seen before the previous ones are sold. So hopefully the market here is still pretty good for them, but it does sound like Honda might be at fault for killing the used X market.
 

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Hey Dale,
If you want any info on the C50 or M50 let me know, I know lots of folks who have them.
 

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Art,

How do like the Burgman 650????

Those are on my list of possible 2nd rides as well as a C50T or M50.

Dale
We liked the first one (grey '06) so much that I bought a second for myself (white '07).


They handle and corner very well, with lots of ground clearance as compared to a cruiser, and you can make some very good time going through twisty road sections on one of these things. They have a long-ish wheelbase of around 62-63 inches.

They're quite large, and although Suzuki claims a dry weight of 518 on the standard version, they are reported to weigh-in wet by some owners as high as 625.

They're about as silent as a GW and turbine-smooth at almost any speed, speaking of which, mine has indicated 114 mph which, due to a ridiculously optimistic speedo is actually about 105 mph, which is still a decent top speed for practical considerations.

It won't accelerate with the likes of an 1800 VTX, but I'm certain that it'll match, or even stay ahead of, a 1500 Vulcan or 1500 Suzuki LC as well as most cruisers below that displacement class.

The 650 will cruise effortlessly at an actual 75 mph on relatively level ground while in the 'manual' mode overdrive, or it can be kept in 'auto' mode to allow it to automatically vary it's rpm to deal with acceleration demands, headwinds and steep grades.

at 75 mph actual speed (speedo will be indicating about 83) in 'overdrive' it will be spinning at a very smooth 5000 rpm, which with an 8500 rpm redline, gives an amazingly relaxed and 'unstressed' sensation from the motor, which considering it's only a 650 twin, is kind of amazing. Our 1100 V-Star felt like it was almost 'splitting a gut' doing the same thing as the Burgman does with comparably ZERO fuss. It's an exceptional middle to long distance solo tourer, and handles short runs with a passenger just great too.

They're turning out to be very good 'hot-weather' bikes in the sense that there's no perceptable heat from the engine 'bay' roasting the rider at stoplights and in slow traffic, what heat it makes must be shunted out the back or something, regardless, it's not an issue. It has an LCD coolant temperature gauge on the dash that displays a series of five black 'bars' running across the gauge face, and they always show three 'bars' of heat once warmed-up to their normal operating temperature, never more or less, always three regardless of the demand or outside air temps.

The 'drivers' seat is about 29 inches, which is a bit tall for those with a short inseam, and the pilots seat isn't the best for comfort in spite of it's 'ample' appearance, but still not as bad as the stock VTX saddle. The passenger seat is outstanding, and the storage space beneath the hinged seat will swallow two full-face helmets and a bottle of Jack Daniels (or so I've heard).

Fuel mileage is respectable but nothing outstanding. They hold 4 gallons, and usually go about 130-150 miles before the gauge starts to 'blink', but will still have about one gallon left at that point. My '07 ranges from the high forties to mid fifties, but Teresa gets from fifty to the low 60's with her bike, likely due to her 'mouse-like' 120 lb weight versus my relatively bloated mass.

They require a 'break-in' service at 600 miles, that cost us around $140, but will vary depending on your location. The first valve-clearance check isnt' due until 14,500 miles, and can be very 'spendy' due to the amount of digging the mechanics have to do to find the little twin down there someplace. BUT! according to everyone who's had this done, the bike has never required a shim at this mileage, or even DOUBLE that mileage, so I'm just going to ride the crap out of them both and not mess with the valve clearances until the forty or fifty thousand mile mark.

Engine oil changes are a piece of cake, although I haven't tackled the tranny oil or rear-end oil yet so I don't know about them, but I haven't heard any horror stories about them so far.

Rear tires seem to go about 7000 or so, with fronts somewhere around 12,000, of course depending on your riding style to some degree. If you'd buy one of these bikes, be aware that the same dealers that sell them, often don't stock the tires for them, which sucks, as demonstragted by my recent 'educational' experience of picking up a nail in my rear tire and being forced to order tires online (which saved me about $50 bucks over the dealer tire prices anyway) because neither of the local Suzuki dealers had any Burgman 650 tires in stock. This happened one day before a planned overnight trip to the Bighorn Mountains on the two 650's, but we had to 'scrub' the trip because of the local unavailability of a replacement tire for one bike.

Oh! I forgot to mention that the Burgman 650's are just plain old fun to ride, are about the handiest motorized thing on two wheels ever devised by man. Having one of these things along with a more 'conventional' motorcycle or two would make for an interesting and very useful variety in the garage.

If you are considering buying one as a second bike, if possible, try to demo ride one if at all possible before making a decision. If, by chance, you're coming out to the Black Hills for the rally, you're welcome to take my white '07 for a ride with us, we'll tag along on the other one.
 

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my vision got a bit blurry with all that text, but

105 MPH jumped out at me

that's insane.
 

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e said:
my vision got a bit blurry with all that text, but

105 MPH jumped out at me

that's insane.
'Perception' and reality are often conflicting things.

Forget the 'scooter' part, and just go by a few of the specs.

*Fuel-injected, liquid-cooled, 650cc parallel twin.

* 50-54 hp (at the motor)

It's gotta do something with that, and 105 to 110 actual mph is about right when you think about it.
 

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Art... great read...
1 question did you test ride a honda silverwing?
what made you buy the burgman over the other scooters?

I happen to love those little 'gas&go' machines... and yeah a guy w/ a silverwing said he hit over 120mph :wink:
 
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Don't feel sorry for the dealer.

It's not that a used " X " is hard to move, used bikes tend to stay in a dealers inventory for a while. Why is that? Heavy profit in used bikes. I have seen dealers take bikes in trade and when they do, they stick to trade-in values published in the books. The dealers knows someone will pay him too much for your bike. What's that phrase I learned " there is an azz for every seat ". OK I learned that in the car business, but it holds true in the bike market as well.

However when they go to sell, they price the used bike way over book retail value.

I know a dealer right now that has a 1994 Honda Magna in stock. Book retail on that bike is $2900. What will the dealer sell it for???? He's asking $3995, and someone will pay that for the bike.

I traded in a 2006 Suzuki 650 at the end of May 2007 to by my 06 Retro. I know that the bike I traded will be at that dealers next spring.

Why do used bikes stay in a dealers inventory so long? Well when you can buy a used bike from a private party at or below book retail, why pay over retail from a dealer.
 

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Sounds and looks like the world of scooters have come a long way since the time I owned a Vespa....in 1963. I paid 40 bucks for the thing and it would do about 60 mph. :oops:
 

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i think the 1800s are hard to resale cause of their overall size and power....when i mention the x to fellow riders at work, it seems the first thing they mention is how the size and power would be too much for them...i say take it out and see how great a ride it is and they pass...bottom line is it takes one hell of a man or woman to handle the beast....eg..rode my friends fat boy the other day..nice bike but it felt like a toy....
 

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I have never known anyone to follow the progress of a traded Burgman 650 for five months ...

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

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ratfink said:
i think the 1800s are hard to resale cause of their overall size and power....when i mention the x to fellow riders at work, it seems the first thing they mention is how the size and power would be too much for them...i say take it out and see how great a ride it is and they pass...bottom line is it takes one hell of a man or woman to handle the beast....eg..rode my friends fat boy the other day..nice bike but it felt like a toy....
Now THAT'S about the most self-delusional thing I've read in quite a while... :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
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I have never known anyone to follow the progress of a traded Burgman 650 for five months ...

but ...

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

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Crew -

I have traded in two bikes I have owned in the last two years. It's not that I try to 'follow' my traded 97 Honda Shadow 1100 ACE or 06 Suzuki DL650 but damn every day I drive down the main road here I am constantly reminded of them as the dealer has them sitting in front of his store! :lol:

Oh and the Bughman 650 was purchased by the OP - he traded in the 1800! I had a Suzuki DL650, I looked at a Burghman 650, rode it and felt cramped on it. So I bought the DL650 and nine months later traded it in on a 06 1300 R. :D :D :D :D :D :D

And when he trades in that Burghman, it will sit longer than the VTX did.
 

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Thats a great write-up Art, thanks so much for your input.

Your experience is what I was thinking their ownership might be like. A couple of years ago I spoke to a guy and his wife at Bryce canyon about their BMW1200LT and Burgman 650. He said that they usually use the 650 unless they are going on a long highway trip because the Burgman is so much easier & fun to use for quick trips.

Condi, thanks for the offer, if/when I get to that point of looking at the Suzuki 50 line, I'll let you know. A couple of years ago, I did test drive the C50T and would have been happy with that too.

Dale
 

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crew said:
I have never known anyone to follow the progress of a traded Burgman 650 for five months ...

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Crew -

I have traded in two bikes I have owned in the last two years. It's not that I try to 'follow' my traded 97 Honda Shadow 1100 ACE or 06 Suzuki DL650 but damn every day I drive down the main road here I am constantly reminded of them as the dealer has them sitting in front of his store! :lol:

Oh and the Bughman 650 was purchased by the OP - he traded in the 1800! I had a Suzuki DL650, I looked at a Burghman 650, rode it and felt cramped on it. So I bought the DL650 and nine months later traded it in on a 06 1300 R. :D :D :D :D :D :D

And when he trades in that Burghman, it will sit longer than the VTX did.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

I have heard npothing but good things about the Burgmans and they seem to have an equally enthusiastic and fun "community" of riders as the VTX ...

a friend of mine traded his VTX 1800 for a Burgman and was absolutely in love with it ...

... until he traded it for a hardley ...

:lol: :lol: :lol: Is this a wonderful life :idea: or what :?:

happy 4th to y'all :!:

opinions vary ...

all blessings ...

crew

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