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The Diamond Princess, a floating Chinese Virus palace, provides suggestive data Willis Eisenbach took a closer look at the data from the Diamond Princess cruise ship on which people were quarantined and discovered counterintuitive facts. More

This completely supports the logic that I presented earlier. Very interesting that half the cases on the ship were asymptotic. That puts the mortality rate at 1% at max. And that is very conservative.

Of course the PAB dems won't acknowledge this type of research. It is funny how the socialists WANT this virus to kill the world.

As an aside, I asked my socialist friends chase and stevo for concrete solutions that should have been implemented for this - apparently the only issue was timing. If we would have had a totalitarian crackdown sooner we would have been ok. To put it another way - the socialists don't have anything but hate and jealousy. The best they have is taunts and derision. That probably won't win an election.......
 

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This completely supports the logic that I presented earlier. Very interesting that half the cases on the ship were asymptotic. That puts the mortality rate at 1% at max. And that is very conservative.
What I found interesting is that teens are vulnerable, not every elderly person caught it,

Codswallop indeed!
 

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What I found interesting is that teens are vulnerable, not every elderly person caught it,

Codswallop indeed!
I think that may have something to do with teens general mentality. Teens, for the most part, would be less likely to take precautions than a more mature, elderly.
 

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I think that may have something to do with teens general mentality. Teens, for the most part, would be less likely to take precautions than a more mature, elderly.
I don't disagree with you, but all the articles / opinions I've read stressed the danger to older people.
 

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What I found interesting is that teens are vulnerable, not every elderly person caught it,

Codswallop indeed!

probably because the kids on the boat were potheads. :)
 

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I don't disagree with you, but all the articles / opinions I've read stressed the danger to older people.
Right, that is what they are saying, but I think that assumes all else being equal. Why many were asymptomatic and others were not, I'm sure is not fully understood. I believe, at least this is how I understand it, the risk to elderly and those with underlying conditions is that of mortality of the development of life threatening pneumonia. I would think the average teen, although symptomatic in response to infection, would have a better chance of surviving that. That said, yes, those numbers, taken at face value, do surprise.
 

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I've mentioned before that I use Pea-Pod.
I talked with the delivery guy, he says they're way busier than normal.
I usually get my delivery on Tuesdays, but there were no open time slots, today was the earliest I could do. When I place my order & pick my day, they have time slost for deliveries.
I always pick 11AM -2PM. Today he showed up at 3:45. due to so many ppl ordering so much stuff.
 

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Pretty much the entire world is shutting down social interactions and commerce in order to prevent what they fear could turn into many, many millions of deaths. Since epidemiologists and infectious disease experts are fairly unanimous on this global course of action, I am framing the issue in four most probable ways:

1. The experts have got it about right, and the world is taking mostly appropriate steps.

2. The experts are well-intended but they have got it wrong and are overreacting. World leaders (including Trump) have been duped into following bad advice.

3. The experts are not well-intended, and in fact they are part of a conspiracy to wreck the world’s economy. Global leaders are being duped.

4. Epidemiologists and political leaders are jointly involved in a conspiracy to destroy the global economy. Very few leaders are being duped because they are essentially all in on it.

Personally, I think we all trying to deal with a somewhat unknown threat the best we can. I believe Option 1 makes the most sense.
 

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Pretty much the entire world is shutting down social interactions and commerce in order to prevent what they fear could turn into many, many millions of deaths. Since epidemiologists and infectious disease experts are fairly unanimous on this global course of action, I am framing the issue in four most probable ways:

1. The experts have got it about right, and the world is taking mostly appropriate steps.

2. The experts are well-intended but they have got it wrong and are overreacting. World leaders (including Trump) have been duped into following bad advice.

3. The experts are not well-intended, and in fact they are part of a conspiracy to wreck the world’s economy. Global leaders are being duped.

4. Epidemiologists and political leaders are jointly involved in a conspiracy to destroy the global economy. Very few leaders are being duped because they are essentially all in on it.

Personally, I think we all trying to deal with a somewhat unknown threat the best we can. I believe Option 1 makes the most sense.

I think its 2. Spouting advice with out data is not just stupid - its dangerous. The facts are we have so little data on this issue that any response could be justified.

In a few months we will hear a small "oops...." from the medical community followed by wordy arguments why we shouldn't hold them accountable for their chicken little imitations.

Ironically this works out fantastic for me. I work remote for most of my clients anyway. This is the longest I have gone without traveling in 10 years. I have gotten more done around my house in the last two weeks than I did since I bought it.
 

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If the steps being taken save lives, why would anyone say oops? Unless those people feel that lives lost are worth the price to continue on as before with a less than slow spread and an ever-widening contagion and increasing body count?
 

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If the steps being taken save lives, why would anyone say oops? Unless those people feel that lives lost are worth the price to continue on as before with a less than slow spread and an ever-widening contagion and increasing body count?

First, because that is not what the constitution says. It is a very short walk from "hey! We need to isolate for Corna Virus!" to "Hey! we need to take your guns!" or some other freedom. I do not believe for a minute that this is some sort of sneaky underhanded attempt at control - I do think that politicians will take this as an opportunity to expand their power.

Second, because there are so many instances where viruses have run amok worse than this and we have not responded to it in this fashion. Instead of flipping out and wringing our hands lets find out what the real information on this virus is - and what it means for us. This is beyond crazy that they are FULLY QUARANTINING people in california when they have less cases than people who get struck by lightning.

I have been suspicious of this from the beginning - any time someone starts yelling that we need to do something without an effective reason it generally means that either they are clueless, or that they have an ulterior motive.
 

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I think a lawful quarantine in California is a bit over the top as well, but I think it important to remember that separation and isolation are preventative measure and not reactive or curative measures. It is to slow the spread to hopefully limit new cases and limit instantaneous demand on the medical system. To wait until everyone has it to start a quarantine protects no one except for the minority that would be unaffected. The attempt is to protect the majority not affected by keeping them from getting ill. As new cases starts to decline, hopefully this storm will blow itself out and keep the economy from shutting down entirely. That's the goal anyway, as I see it.

To do otherwise would be to close the gate after the horses are out.
 

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If this turns into a situation in which the govt. tries to take advantage or increase their power outside of the purposes so far shown we can deal with it at that time. In the meantime I see it as a way to slow the spread, save lives, and work out a solution. Time will tell whether it's effective on a broad scale but if it saves lives, my own very possibly included, then I'll see it as worthwhile. If it's abused then that's a different story. And outcome.
 

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If this turns into a situation in which the govt. tries to take advantage or increase their power outside of the purposes so far shown we can deal with it at that time. In the meantime I see it as a way to slow the spread, save lives, and work out a solution. Time will tell whether it's effective on a broad scale but if it saves lives, my own very possibly included, then I'll see it as worthwhile. If it's abused then that's a different story. And outcome.
Agreed.
The problem we'll see after the fact is that those arguing the government is over cautious have the basis for an argument, regardless of the outcome. If the virus gets away on us, then those will argue the government didn't do enough and should know better. If the virus is managed, then the government way over reacted and all was entirely unnecessary. We see similar arguments repeatedly from the left here. The arguments do become circular in nature, and to be clear the comparison is only an illustration to visualize the similarity, not at all a judgement on right or wrong here.

I am very worried about our future, economically speaking. This is going to seriously kick some asses. I only hope this can begin to return to some level of normal, sooner than later. Anything that expedites that with a lower body count has my full support.
 
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