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If a cop can get hit while he has lights flashing and siren blaring.. really.. what chance do we have??????

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http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_pg=1636&u_sid=1380416

Omaha officer in serious condition after accident

BY KEVIN COLE
WORLD-HERALD STAFF WRITER

Officer on motorcycle injured in collision with car

An Omaha police officer was taken to Creighton University Medical Center in serious condition Thursday night following a motorcycle accident near 58th and Blondo Streets.

The World-Herald has learned that the officer's name is Pat Telley.

Telley was driving his motorcycle east on Blondo, with his lights and sirens on, when he collided with a 1992 black Ford Escort, according to Officer David Volenec.

Two 14-year-old boys, Greg Meyer and Ricky Getzschman, said they witnessed the accident.

Meyer said the Escort was also eastbound and attempted to turn left onto 58th Street. The officer was passing the Escort, which hit the rear portion of the motorcycle.

"The officer tumbled right past us, no more than five feet away," Getzschman said. "He hit a garbage can up the street and came to a stop near the curb. He had to tumble at least 100 feet."

The boys said the officer was able to speak. They saw scrapes on both of his arms and blood coming from his face where his sunglasses had scratched him.

The boys said there were two girls in the Escort and that they knew the passenger from school. She told the boys that neither she nor the driver saw the motorcycle's lights or heard its siren.

The accident remains under investigation.
 

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If a cop can get hit while he has lights flashing and siren blaring.. really.. what chance do we have??????
First and foremost, I'm sorry for both the officer and the occupants of the car. From the article, it sounds like there were two young (probably teenage) drivers in the car, (and no offense meant) they were girls who might have been talking and not paying attention.
BUT, the officer (it appears) should not have been passing on the left in an intersection when (agian, it appears) the car he is passing can turn to the left. Basic motorcycle saftey is never rely on a cager to see or hear you no matter what, even with a siren...."ride to be seen".
IN THE GIRLS DEFENSE, they just may not have heard the siren (although I would think that they would have seen the lights)...cars are being made to shield out more and more outside noise....I've known of cars having trouble hearing ambulances, fire engines, and other police cars, much less a motorcycle.
After having said all that, it could have been that it wasn't anyone's "fault" and it was just "one of those things." No matter what you drive or ride, accidents happen which is why it's important to watch and be careful. So in answer to the question "what chance do we have?"......as much as the next guy.

Amen

(didn't mean to get preachy :oops: ....just my nickel's worth)
 

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If a cop can get hit while he has lights flashing and siren blaring.. really.. what chance do we have??????

IN THE GIRLS DEFENSE, they just may not have heard the siren (although I would think that they would have seen the lights)...cars are being made to shield out more and more outside noise....I've known of cars having trouble hearing ambulances, fire engines, and other police cars, much less a motorcycle.


Amen

(didn't mean to get preachy :oops: ....just my nickel's worth)
Not a Ford escort...now the radio could have been blaring..and the girls talkin loudly...ect...ect... Emergency vechicles ALWAYS have the right of way...PERIOD!!
 

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Emergency vechicles ALWAYS have the right of way...PERIOD!!
While I'll agree that this is mostly true, I will add this...while the individual is intelligent, people in general are most definitely not. People do stupid things and speaking from experience, a police officer or any person driving an emergengy vehicle (or anyone on the road for that matter) should always keep this in mind and always try not to put themselves in the middle of someone elses stupidity on the road. And all that goes double for a cop on a motorcyle (which we all know is hard enough evidently for cagers to see as it is) traveling at higher speeds and passing on the left in an intersection.
 

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the officer (it appears) should not have been passing on the left in an intersection when (agian, it appears) the car he is passing can turn to the left.
Logic would have you (at least me) assume that the girl in the car was applying her brakes (brake lights showing) but NOT using her turn indicator (the cop would have seen it).

So my guess is that the cop logically assumed when he saw her brake lights activate that she was slowing because of an approaching emergency vehicle. So he felt confident to proced to pass on the left. Had she been using her turn indicator, any person (cop or not) would hold off to see what she was actually going to do.
 

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While emergency vehicle do alway have the right of way there is something to be said about the drivers of those vehicles. Not all emergency drivers pay attention as much as they should. My X-wife was arrested for "obstructing an emergency vehicle" she took it to court and it was thrown out. She pulled on to I-90 at sturgis (speed limit 75) and soon came up behind and ambulance with lights and siren on going 70 mph. Thinking it would not be a good idea to pass she slowed to 70 and followed it for 18 miles to Rapid City. When she got off the interstate she was pulled over by 2 police cars. The ambulance driver testified that she "made me nervous by following me". Her defense was that the ambulance was going under the limit so it wasn't illegal for her to drive that speed and since it's lights were on she didn't think she could pass. The judge threw out the charges, but informed her that it is illegal for an emergency vehicle to exceed the posted speed limit ??? This whole thing seemed rather strange to me.
 

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Emergency vechicles ALWAYS have the right of way...PERIOD!!
Actually, emergency vehicles of any kind do not have the "right of way". All their lights and sirens are doing is "requesting" right of way at an intersection or any other part of the road. Any driver of an emergency vehicle is thoroughly trained in using "due regard" when running code. That means "they" even have to slow down and be observant of oncoming or cross vehicular traffic at intersections along their route. It should never be an automatic mindset that others will see or hear you just because a person is an emergency vehicle operator.

I hope the officer will be okay and the driver of the vehicle learns from this unfortunate mishap.
 

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I'm sure most of you have noticed that emergency vehicles, including huge fire ladder trucks, slow to a creep at intersections most of the time. They teach them this because, people don't always hear sirens. This is emphasized to motorcycle patrolman for just this reason. Cell phones, loud music, hard of hearing, too busy cussing some other dumb driver(not always me), or just oblivious to what's going on around them. In my opinion, the officer made a bad judgement call in assuming the car in an intersection heard the siren.We all make mistakes. I wish him well and hope he fully recovers. I wonder if the driver got a ticket for failing to yeild the right-a-way to an emergency vehicle? Those are expensive!
 

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About an hour ago a guy with a California license plate ran a red light, about three seconds after it turned red, it was green for me. I got behind him, hit the lights and siren, (unmarked car), and he tried to get over to the left, then panicked and ran another red light, then finally pulled over on the right side of the road. His excuse for all of this was that he wasn't from here. I asked him what color were the red lights in California. People panic sometimes when they see lights and hear sirens. They don't know what to do. I like riding motorcycles but not a police bike. We have motorcycle officers go down all of the time. Even had one killed a few years back. Another problem is the car stereos blasting. Don't know if it had anything to do with the incident listed above. Hope the officer recovers from his injuries.
 

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While emergency vehicle do alway have the right of way there is something to be said about the drivers of those vehicles. Not all emergency drivers pay attention as much as they should. My X-wife was arrested for "obstructing an emergency vehicle" she took it to court and it was thrown out. She pulled on to I-90 at sturgis (speed limit 75) and soon came up behind and ambulance with lights and siren on going 70 mph. Thinking it would not be a good idea to pass she slowed to 70 and followed it for 18 miles to Rapid City. When she got off the interstate she was pulled over by 2 police cars. The ambulance driver testified that she "made me nervous by following me". Her defense was that the ambulance was going under the limit so it wasn't illegal for her to drive that speed and since it's lights were on she didn't think she could pass. The judge threw out the charges, but informed her that it is illegal for an emergency vehicle to exceed the posted speed limit ??? This whole thing seemed rather strange to me.
That sounds goofy. Obstructing by following behind!? Unless she was tailgating too close. And it's certainly not illegal to go under the speed limit. Not by 5mph.
 

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black hills said:
While emergency vehicle do alway have the right of way there is something to be said about the drivers of those vehicles. Not all emergency drivers pay attention as much as they should. My X-wife was arrested for "obstructing an emergency vehicle" she took it to court and it was thrown out. She pulled on to I-90 at sturgis (speed limit 75) and soon came up behind and ambulance with lights and siren on going 70 mph. Thinking it would not be a good idea to pass she slowed to 70 and followed it for 18 miles to Rapid City. When she got off the interstate she was pulled over by 2 police cars. The ambulance driver testified that she "made me nervous by following me". Her defense was that the ambulance was going under the limit so it wasn't illegal for her to drive that speed and since it's lights were on she didn't think she could pass. The judge threw out the charges, but informed her that it is illegal for an emergency vehicle to exceed the posted speed limit ??? This whole thing seemed rather strange to me.

That sounds goofy. Obstructing by following behind!? Unless she was tailgating too close. And it's certainly not illegal to go under the speed limit. Not by 5mph.
I think that the ambulance driver may have overreacted a bit.
 

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Kinker said:
[quote="black hills":1tprxb4k]While emergency vehicle do alway have the right of way there is something to be said about the drivers of those vehicles. Not all emergency drivers pay attention as much as they should. My X-wife was arrested for "obstructing an emergency vehicle" she took it to court and it was thrown out. She pulled on to I-90 at sturgis (speed limit 75) and soon came up behind and ambulance with lights and siren on going 70 mph. Thinking it would not be a good idea to pass she slowed to 70 and followed it for 18 miles to Rapid City. When she got off the interstate she was pulled over by 2 police cars. The ambulance driver testified that she "made me nervous by following me". Her defense was that the ambulance was going under the limit so it wasn't illegal for her to drive that speed and since it's lights were on she didn't think she could pass. The judge threw out the charges, but informed her that it is illegal for an emergency vehicle to exceed the posted speed limit ??? This whole thing seemed rather strange to me.

That sounds goofy. Obstructing by following behind!? Unless she was tailgating too close. And it's certainly not illegal to go under the speed limit. Not by 5mph.
I think that the ambulance driver may have overreacted a bit.[/quote:1tprxb4k]I had a scarey x-wife too :shock:
 

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I saw a similar thing happen in Las Vegas last month when I was down there. Two motorcycle cops got cutoff by a female motorist as she was attempting to merge onto I15 during rush hour. Both cops went down but fortunately not physically injured. It can happen to anyone at anytime.
 
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