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Today’s updated CDC numbers show a US total of 93,061 deaths from C-19 as of 5/20 at 4pm. Yesterday’s reported number was 91,664 total deaths from C-19, for a one day increase of 1,397 additional deaths. As of 4/28, the CDC daily report format changed and the breakdown of total deaths into categories of ‘confirmed’ and ‘probable’ is no longer clearly stated. It is reasonable to suspect that the ‘probable’ category continues to be roughly 10% or more of the reported total.
 

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6 Things Democrats and the Media Want You to Believe About the Coronavirus

"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things." "I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." -- The Red Queen in “Alice in Wonderland.”

In the spirit of Her Majesty, here are six impossible things about the coronavirus Democrats and the media want you to believe, as well as an explanation of why each is absurd.

1. China bears no responsibility for this pandemic – All the Chi-coms did was to deny the possibility of human-to-human transmission for as long as they could, destroy or remove tissue samples from the Wuhan lab, allow travel outside China (while banning it within the country), force physicians and researchers who tried to alert us to the danger early on to recant (they made one disappear) and stockpile medical supplies while refusing to admit there was a problem. Other than that, not much.

2. COVID-19 doesn’t discriminate: Old and young, sick and well – all are equally susceptible – You might as well say that an octogenarian is as likely to injure himself skateboarding as a 16-year-old. In Pennsylvania, the median age of death from COVID-19 is 84 years. Overall, the probability of death from the virus in the United States is 1.5 in 10,000. But for those under 55 who are healthy, it’s 1.5 in 100,000. In 14 states that report these statistics, nursing homes accounted for half of all coronavirus deaths. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule – which the media love to play up. But, overwhelmingly, the victims are elderly, with a pre-existing condition.

3. This epidemic is like a war. Some civil liberties have to be temporarily suspended as a matter of national survival. – In the name of combating the coronavirus, Americans have been denied freedom to work, freedom of movement, freedom of religion (with houses of worship closed) and freedom of speech. Protests are permitted, as long as there aren’t more than 10 people and everyone is wearing face masks and standing at least 6 feet apart. New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy said he wasn’t thinking about the Bill of Rights when implementing social-distancing guidelines. No kidding.

4. Social distancing and face masks work – New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo was “shocked” to discover recently that 66% of new coronavirus hospitalizations were among people “largely sheltering at home.” Proximity of one person to another has little to do with the spread of the disease, nor do the sacred face masks stop transmission. Both are largely symbolic as well as a form of virtue-flashing. When the virus first reached our shores, the experts told us that face masks were useless, unless you’re a medical professional using the type of masks not available to the general public. Now we’re told we must wear them – even if they’re makeshift. There’s no science behind this. They’re meant to assure us that politicians are doing all they can to keep us safe. Then, when fatalities decline, which happens in the normal course of any epidemic, they’ll demand that we thank them for saving us.

5. Damage to the economy is the price we have to pay to stop a deadly contagion. That’s easy to say if you work for government – which is now our only growth industry. While the coronavirus regimen that statists adore has done little, if anything, to halt the spread of the disease, it’s put our economy in the ICU. We lost 870,000 jobs in March and 20.5 million in April. The Wall Street Journal notes that this is the fastest economic collapse in our history – all so governors would have another opportunity to play big brother and bring us closer to the Democratic utopia. No one asked unemployed auto workers or the depressed who are out of work and can’t afford the co-pay on their meds if they were willing to pay the price.

6. The shutdown doesn’t favor one party or the other– In fact, it’s a gift from heaven for Democrats. They’re using the shutdown to destroy the Trump economy and push a bailout of bankrupt blue states. They’re also using the virus to get mail-in ballots, increasing the opportunities for voter fraud, the sine qua non of the Democratic party. The governors fighting hardest to maintain the status quo -- Cuomo, Wolf, Pritzker, Northam and Newson, among others – are Democrats, as are their congressional allies, Speaker Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Schumer. Why – because they’re dedicated public health or partisan politics?

It’s just possible that supporters of the shutdown want to make America look more like China. Welcome to the new normal.
 

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As of 5/21, WHO lists a total of 3,831 C-19 deaths in Sweden. Multiplying by 32 to scale up to the size of the US yields 122,592 deaths. Per the same WHO reported numbers on 5/21, the US C-19 death toll is 90,,203. This means the less intrusive Swedish approach to coronavirus mitigation has resulted in 36% greater deaths, without yet accounting for timeline differences in general transmission dates seen by these two countries.
 

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"virtue-flashing ".
Oh yes. I got yelled at today by two liberal idiots while hiking in the Colorado mountains outside of Boulder. I was with one of my boys on a one-foot wide Colorado hiking trail when we saw a pair of runners come up the mountain. We politely stepped at least five feet away from the path and then we were told to 'move further away'. Yeah right. Of course, those Boulder liberals could not even consider that THEY could move six feet away from us. Yes, they'll teach the deplorable masses how to lead their life.
I should have tripped the bastards.
I could say a prayer tonight asking for Boulder to be nuked, but I live just 3.15 miles east of Boulder so I can't take the risk that my prayer will be heard.

😈 :(
 

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As of 5/21, WHO lists a total of 3,831 C-19 deaths in Sweden. Multiplying by 32 to scale up to the size of the US yields 122,592 deaths. Per the same WHO reported numbers on 5/21, the US C-19 death toll is 90,,203. This means the less intrusive Swedish approach to coronavirus mitigation has resulted in 36% greater deaths, without yet accounting for timeline differences in general transmission dates seen by these two countries.
Even though the books, they is cooked, I note the 36% is getting lower by the week and we could still be riding a record-setting strong economy. That is starting to prove their wisdom over ours, IMO. It will get lower, plus it might already be even for all we know---were we dealing with accurate US counts. Even if you don't think the over counting to be as gross as I do, we're still probably down below 30% greater deaths with even mild (10%-15%) over counting, though I haven't crunched the numbers...
 

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As of 5/22, WHO lists a total of 3,871 C-19 deaths in Sweden. Multiplying by 32 to scale up to the size of the US yields 123,872 deaths. Per the same WHO reported numbers on 5/22, the US C-19 death toll is 91,527. This means the less intrusive Swedish approach to coronavirus mitigation has resulted in 35% greater deaths, without yet accounting for timeline differences in general transmission dates seen by these two countries.
 

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Even though the books, they is cooked, I note the 36% is getting lower by the week and we could still be riding a record-setting strong economy. That is starting to prove their wisdom over ours, IMO. It will get lower, plus it might already be even for all we know---were we dealing with accurate US counts. Even if you don't think the over counting to be as gross as I do, we're still probably down below 30% greater deaths with even mild (10%-15%) over counting, though I haven't crunched the numbers...
That is an interesting view, but your argument that the US numbers are inflated works against you when applied to the Swedish comparison. If we claim the actual death toll in the US is only 80K, then the extrapolated number of 124K from Sweden would show that their less aggressive approach had resulted in a 55% higher death toll.
 

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Today’s updated CDC numbers show a US total of 94,150 deaths from C-19 as of 5/21 at 4pm. Yesterday’s reported number was 93,061 total deaths from C-19, for a one day increase of 1,089 additional deaths. As of 4/28, the CDC daily report format changed and the breakdown of total deaths into categories of ‘confirmed’ and ‘probable’ is no longer clearly stated. It is reasonable to suspect that the ‘probable’ category continues to be roughly 10% or more of the reported total.
 

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Why Florida and New York Have Very Different Records

Yet another unfavorable comparison for Leftmedia hero Andrew Cuomo.

Anyone following the news these days might conclude New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is setting a standard for future leaders to respond to the next pandemic, while thinking Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is foolish for opening up his state’s economy. In reality, the reverse is true.

People in Florida are resuming their lives not based on a rejection of the science but in response to understanding it. As a result, Floridians are beginning to thrive while keeping the coronavirus in check. Florida’s virus deaths are minuscule compared to New York’s, even though Florida has more than three million more residents, including 20% more elderly people. Moreover, this is despite the fact that many New Yorkers fled to the Sunshine State since the outbreak of the virus.

Meanwhile, Cuomo had his state, including hard-hit New York City, endure one of the nation’s strictest lockdowns all while experiencing the nation’s highest death toll. The consequence is millions of New Yorkers have lost their jobs, homes, businesses, and savings. No wonder a headline in the New York Post this week read, “It Needs to End. Now.”

Making matters worse, Cuomo wants the rest of America to bail out his state, and it’s not all due to the virus. It’s due to the Democrat governor’s decade of mismanagement.

According to The Wall Street Journal, since 2010, when Cuomo took office, the contrast between New York and Florida couldn’t be more stark. Florida’s population grew by nearly three million; New York’s increased by just 75,000. And yet Florida’s budget since 2010 has grown by $28 billion, while New York’s has increased by $43 billion. Part of that is because New York spends three times as much as Florida on Medicaid. Oh, and the Journal notes, “New York has a top state-and-local tax rate of 12.7%, while Florida has no income tax.”

Those are but a few examples of contrast. But in short, the Empire State is losing residents, spending too much money on worker benefits and Medicaid, maintaining high taxes, and failing to keep up with states like Florida in terms of job growth. And now, instead of unleashing the economic power of its own people, Cuomo wants to send a bill to Washington.

Despite this decade-long history of failed policy, the national media portray Cuomo as a political genius, when all he’s really done during the pandemic is govern by fear.

But the coverage of DeSantis is just the opposite.

The national media was apoplectic when DeSantis allowed beaches in Jacksonville to open up to the public in April, warning that he was risking lives, threatening to spread the virus to other states, and acting “recklessly.” DeSantis was mocked by many media and political figures alike. And they shamed Floridians as halfwits for daring to live their lives and trying to save their businesses.

But the DeSantis administration was acting thoughtfully and strategically to tackle the virus. Rather than implementing sweeping lockdowns based on dire predictions, the governor discovered a significant percentage of COVID-19 patients and deaths in other countries occurred in elderly populations. So he removed seniors with positive coronavirus tests out of nursing homes. At the same time, Cuomo was moving them into nursing homes, which resulted in thousands of deaths.

This week DeSantis defended his actions and reminded the Leftmedia of its desire to see Florida turn into New York. He told a reporter, “A lot of people in your profession waxed poetically for weeks and weeks about how Florida was going to be just like New York. ‘Wait two weeks. Florida’s going to be next!’ ‘Just like Italy. Wait two weeks!’ Well, hell, we’re eight weeks away from that, and it hasn’t happened.”

Florida is hardly alone. So far — and we emphasize so far — reopening states are doing alright. The Washington Examiner reports, “States that have reopened their economies appear to be faring no worse in terms of coronavirus cases than those that have not.”

What’s happening in New York and Florida today should be a case study for the next pandemic. Let’s hope the next generation of Americans learn from New York’s failed response that the cure can be worse than the virus and the best way to recover is to follow Florida’s model.

 

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That is an interesting view, but your argument that the US numbers are inflated works against you when applied to the Swedish comparison. If we claim the actual death toll in the US is only 80K, then the extrapolated number of 124K from Sweden would show that their less aggressive approach had resulted in a 55% higher death toll.
LOL @ interesting. I hear you.
 

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It's getting so that we don't know who to believe anymore. OK, it's been that way for a considerable length of time. Though it does say covid-related deaths. So I guess if a vehicle accident occurs in which more than one person dies, and it turns out one tests positive for covid then all would be tallied as covid-related? Seems like a good way to continue the fear and enable lengthening of the lockdowns. Pathetic.

State epidemiologists: COVID-19-related deaths likely being undercounted in WA
 
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