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How many total die in the US from COVID-19?

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It is totally amazing how many people still believe the virus is a death sentence. Of my circle of acquaintance, there are certainly some elderly and already compromised individuals that might not recover from a bad cold. The are others who could get hit by a Buick and not get hurt, yet both believe equally that the virus is the harbinger of death. The media has definitely served it's purpose here, in that the FUD, landed, and is very much a part of the public. At the very least, the most vocal of the public. Speak out against it, and you might as well be kicking a puppy, or berating a minority for being sub-human. Immediately you become a social pariah, to be ridiculed, and dismissed. It's a truly curious time where critical though is so rare.
 

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Exactly! Just because it's available, anyone is within their rights to refuse it as treatment .... just to try to prove the doctor wrong. No one is saying it "must" be administered, or received, only that it could be made available. Why is everything always so binary? Except when it should be, like gender. Then there's all sorts of options ... why?
 

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The FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) from March 2020 for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19. After review of the scientific evidence available for these agents, the FDA determined hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating COVID-19; due to serious cardiac adverse events and other serious side effects, the benefits no longer outweigh the risks for authorized use.

 

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A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure.....And this from the New England Journalof Medicine...Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. But hey, it's your body and you can do with it as you like.
 

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A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure.....And this from the New England Journalof Medicine...Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care. But hey, it's your body and you can do with it as you like.
I agree. However, this position is not supported by field evidence. Although not a controlled study, admittedly, the medical practitioners finding a large degree of success in it's use, with little downside directly refuted what the FDA is saying. Is the FDA ignoring the field reports entirely,do they have better evidence, or are they just following orders? Any of these is equally possible IMO, so I believe to take a single position on it as authoritative or even accurate may mislead.
 

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I agree. However, this position is not supported by field evidence. Although not a controlled study, admittedly, the medical practitioners finding a large degree of success in it's use, with little downside directly refuted what the FDA is saying. Is the FDA ignoring the field reports entirely,do they have better evidence, or are they just following orders? Any of these is equally possible IMO, so I believe to take a single position on it as authoritative or even accurate may mislead.
Please let me know what the source of your information is. I would be interested to know where/how "field tests" are a better source of information than the FDA and the NEJofM. Thanks.
 

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Here is a Good Morning America video from five months ago explaining why healthy people should not wear masks. Someone will say, "Yeah, but that was five months ago." Here's the thing. WE'VE HAD VIRUSES AND EPIDEMIOLOGISTS FOREVER. This COVID virus is a derivative of the SARS virus and has over 70% in similarities.

This virus and our knowledge of it haven't changed. Instead, the politics have changed.

 

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Today’s updated CDC numbers show a US total of 154,002 deaths from C-19 as of 8/1 at 4pm. Yesterday’s reported number was 152,870 total deaths from C-19, for a one day increase of 1,132 additional deaths. As of 4/28, the CDC daily report format changed and the breakdown of total deaths into categories of ‘confirmed’ and ‘probable’ is no longer clearly stated. It is reasonable to suspect that the ‘probable’ category continues to be roughly 10% or more of the reported total.
 

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So what is the point?
Find a doctor who wants to prescribe it and you are done which is something else than propageting the use of it.
The point should be clear. 1) HCQ is safe and has been shown around the world to be effective, especially in the early stages. 2) The decision whether to prescribe it or not should be between a physician and the patient; not bureaucrats with an agenda.
 

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The point should be clear. 1) HCQ is safe and has been shown around the world to be effective, especially in the early stages. 2) The decision whether to prescribe it or not should be between a physician and the patient; not bureaucrats with an agenda.
1) HCC has many side effects which have been known since its long time use and have not been invented by some political party or industry. So who are you to tell us that it is safe? It has been used in malaria, reumatoid artritis and some autoimmune diseases where it has been shown to have some benefit which makes its use acceptable despite the side effects. Read this report if you are nit convinced:


2) What I said
 
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The point should be clear. 1) HCQ is safe and has been shown around the world to be effective, especially in the early stages. 2) The decision whether to prescribe it or not should be between a physician and the patient; not bureaucrats with an agenda.
Yes HCQ is safe for use in certain medical treatments. The point here is that it has no effect for the treatment of covid-19 and taking it may cause other medical issues. That's it, that's all, zero evidence to back that claim.
 

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The point here is that it has no effect for the treatment of covid-19 and taking it may cause other medical issues. That's it, that's all, zero evidence to back that claim.
No effect? Zero evidence? That's simply untrue. There are dozens of examples where HCQ has been proven effective. Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit is a renowned hospital with a proven track record. Here are their findings.

Treatment with Hydroxychloroquine Cut Death Rate Significantly in COVID-19 Patients, Henry Ford Health System Study Shows
 
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