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I need to paint my fender it is nh451m silver orion. But honda doesn't let PPG have the paint codes. Is this another cars paint color just under a diff number? I know it's not a honda car color.

I know the paint is close to the color of my audi lol.

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Yep! HOK has one too. But most good automotive paint shops can call in the color code and get the match - cheaper and saves you waiting for the boyz in the brown shirts. :)
 

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I've still got an unopened little bottle of touch-up for that silver. since my X is now red, don't need it. pm me if you want me to ship it out free.
 

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JD9613 said:
Yep! HOK has one too. But most good automotive paint shops can call in the color code and get the match - cheaper and saves you waiting for the boyz in the brown shirts. :)
my friends body shop called PPG and called his Rep they have no code they can give him. The rep said he would come down with the Camera to get the paint mix but that he might have to wait a couple weeks for him to come with it.

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PPG can't give you a paint code because they don't make the Honda paint.......The Honda's are painted using RedSpot paint out of Evansville Indiana :wink: I work in a paint department at an automotive supplier and we have had different suppliers in are paint shop in the past, PPG, RedSpot, Akzo Nobel, BASF and Dupont. Honda sources out there painting and has the paint companies bid on being an "in house" supplier. The inhouse supplier controls all the paint process.

There is absolutely NO WAY possible someone can take a camera and get you a color match.......You could not even get it close, whoever told you that is feeding you a big ol pile of BS. There is to many factors to consider, especially in a metallic color......the metallics reflect the light differently depending on the way it is applied and the size of the metal, if you take the exact same can of paint and apply it wet vs. dry you'll get 2 completely different colors because the metal will lay differently.

The only way they could get it close is to take a part off your bike, preferably, something with a flat surface and measure it using an X-Rite machine (or something similar). This will give you a numeric value of where your color is in "color space". You might be able to take your side cover to a place that mixes paint like a Lowe's or something similar that has a machine that can give you the numeric value called L.A.B.

Also just because 2 different paint companies have the same Orion Silver paint name means nothing. Thats like saying that a Yugo and a Ferrari are the same because they are both "automobiles"
 

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PPG can't give you a paint code because they don't make the Honda paint.......The Honda's are painted using RedSpot paint out of Evansville Indiana :wink: I work in a paint department at an automotive supplier and we have had different suppliers in are paint shop in the past, PPG, RedSpot, Akzo Nobel, BASF and Dupont. Honda sources out there painting and has the paint companies bid on being an "in house" supplier. The inhouse supplier controls all the paint process.

There is absolutely NO WAY possible someone can take a camera and get you a color match.......You could not even get it close, whoever told you that is feeding you a big ol pile of BS. There is to many factors to consider, especially in a metallic color......the metallics reflect the light differently depending on the way it is applied and the size of the metal, if you take the exact same can of paint and apply it wet vs. dry you'll get 2 completely different colors because the metal will lay differently.

The only way they could get it close is to take a part off your bike, preferably, something with a flat surface and measure it using an X-Rite machine (or something similar). This will give you a numeric value of where your color is in "color space". You might be able to take your side cover to a place that mixes paint like a Lowe's or something similar that has a machine that can give you the numeric value called L.A.B.

Also just because 2 different paint companies have the same Orion Silver paint name means nothing. Thats like saying that a Yugo and a Ferrari are the same because they are both "automobiles"

X-Rite machine is what the rep is coming with down to the shop. he said that it is like a camera, but it shoots out the mixture I'll need lol

I'm just very eager to get the fender on the bike so I was seeing if any one had the mixture parts or another car that used the same paint. This same guy with the camera (X-Rite machine ) came down and did the thing with the camera to another bike for a fender job also. The last bike was the honda uran-green. The paint was dead on in the sun too.

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this is pretty interesting.. I just orderd my undertaker fenders and will be looking for paint for it. thanks for the info guys...
 

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I worked in an Auto Paint Shop for a while mixing paint a few years back and still help out a buddy that does this from time to time. A good auto paint shop can mix the paint to be real close. The "Camera" as you call it will get them in the ball park and they should be able to match it from there. The next step is have someone professionally paint you fender, if you try to use a spray can you will get a horrible match no matter what paint you use. You could have the exact paint that was used the day your bike was painted and out of a spray can it will look horrible or atleast to the untrain eyed, different. Good luck
 

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Here's a neat trick for matching paint. Heard this back in the 70's from a very good high-end paint shop in El Paso, long gone now (guess the guy retired).

To see what the paint will look like dry, spray it on a clear piece of window glass, then turn over. That is what it will look like dry. Pretty simple.
 

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BoneDog said:
Here's a neat trick for matching paint. Heard this back in the 70's from a very good high-end paint shop in El Paso, long gone now (guess the guy retired).

To see what the paint will look like dry, spray it on a clear piece of window glass, then turn over. That is what it will look like dry. Pretty simple.
That may work on solid colors but on metallics won't do you any good. If you spray it on the glass the metals will stand up to reflect the light and color.....the paint solids will act as a adhesion promoter and bond to the bottom.......If you spray the glass and then turn it up side down your not going to see any of the metal.....which has a huge impact on the lightness/darkness and color. It will look like a rough paint job....Like you painted over dirt.
 

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Sorry it took so long to reply, I had to register. The company who supplies the paint to Honda is called US Paint. They supply all paint to Honda, Marysville in OH. They sell paint kits, mostly for Gold Wings, but it's the same paint as the VTX's and all other cruisers built in the US. Their website is www.uspaint.com, where you can find a link to ordering paint kits. Good luck... Dave
 

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fev1969 said:
PPG can't give you a paint code because they don't make the Honda paint.......The Honda's are painted using RedSpot paint out of Evansville Indiana :wink: I work in a paint department at an automotive supplier and we have had different suppliers in are paint shop in the past, PPG, RedSpot, Akzo Nobel, BASF and Dupont. Honda sources out there painting and has the paint companies bid on being an "in house" supplier. The inhouse supplier controls all the paint process.

There is absolutely NO WAY possible someone can take a camera and get you a color match.......You could not even get it close, whoever told you that is feeding you a big ol pile of BS. There is to many factors to consider, especially in a metallic color......the metallics reflect the light differently depending on the way it is applied and the size of the metal, if you take the exact same can of paint and apply it wet vs. dry you'll get 2 completely different colors because the metal will lay differently.

The only way they could get it close is to take a part off your bike, preferably, something with a flat surface and measure it using an X-Rite machine (or something similar). This will give you a numeric value of where your color is in "color space". You might be able to take your side cover to a place that mixes paint like a Lowe's or something similar that has a machine that can give you the numeric value called L.A.B.

Also just because 2 different paint companies have the same Orion Silver paint name means nothing. Thats like saying that a Yugo and a Ferrari are the same because they are both "automobiles"
I beg to differ on the matching bit. We used the scanner on our paint suppliers van. It took, if memory serves right, 7 different paints to match my 05 Illusion Blue.

And it's a perfect match...side cover next to the Possum Pusher you can't tell a color difference. Now smoothness there's a difference. Need to color sand one more time really.
 

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it is being painted in the morn. The PPg rep came down and did the camera thing and printed out the mixture for the paint thanks every one for your help. I'll post a pic of the new fender once installed

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it is being painted in the morn. The PPg rep came down and did the camera thing and printed out the mixture for the paint thanks every one for your help. I'll post a pic of the new fender once installed

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