[SicTexVTX]

My question is, do the people bidding on this not know it's a fraud........or is it some of the scammers running up the price some to make it look legit?
Maybe a little of both i guess...

SiC


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0139948142

 

[Skrymr]

serious question, How do you know it's a scam?

 

[texascop]

I shot a fax over to their Law Enforcement Team.

 

[texascop]

serious question, How do you know it's a scam?

No reserve.
Low bids.
Location listed as US, no state.
Broken English.
Zero feedback.

 

[SicTexVTX]

By a couple of key Red flags......

1. They ask you to email them directly before bidding and not go throught the ebay message system.

2.Free shipping on a bike

3.$5800 buy it now for a bike worth a bunch more. If it's to good to be true.......... :wink:

4. No VIN #

5. The list of accesories. Most of the scam listings like this just copy a huge list of aftermarket parts and list them like this one..

There is also the fact that they have 0 feedback with no other sales or buys on Ebay.


SiC

 

[Skrymr]

Thanks for the info. I just signed up on e-bay, and bought a jacket for my m/c. Now I know more about what to watch out for. Thanks.

 

[JD9613]

Do you mean that wire transfer I just did to their foreign bank account might be part of a SCAM??? :roll:

 

[Moekazi]

It might be fun to e-mail them claiming to be the real owner of the bike. Maybe ask them if they really want to buy it for $5800 because you can't ride any more because of a medical condition and the bills are piling up.

It are be a simple transaxion. They send check me for $10,000 and send check i for difference and bike. I am hope they am live in Nigeria. No problums!

Now what was my bogus e-mail address again...

 

[Jim N]

Hey guys, I'm a knife collector, a market that has recently seen an upsurge in counterfeit/scammers, and there are a few things we as a community agree on when it comes to discussion forums. Don't take this the wrong way, this is meant for constructive purposes, we need to band together to keep these guys from ruining what we care about.
It is ok to point out a fraudulent auction when you see it, but you should NEVER discuss the triggers in an open forum as to why it appears to be a scam. These scammers are smart enough to search our forums before listing scams and counterfeit items, if we point out what is wrong with them too plainly we are sharpening their skills for them, we forumites are pretty much the experts in the fields we call hobbies, and there is no better place to learn that in these forums. If you see a suspected scam, show the listings, discuss it in general terms, but do not point out what exactly we saw that made it scream "scam" to us. You can PM to each other, if it is a trusted forum member, or if a newbie has a question and you can verify they are in no way associated with the scam, but to plainly list all the things that are wrong with the auction will only cause the p.o.s. who listed it to learn from it and get better at it. Just some food for thought.

 

[texascop]

You have to weigh the importance of educating people into what these scams look like (as was done above) against giving away these "triggers" you speak of. To be perfectly honest, these people aren't stupid. They know what the triggers are, but they depend on stupid people to fall for the auctions anyway. Trust me, stupid people fall for these every day because I get a lot of the phone calls.

 

[Guest]

There were 3 expensive Hondas on e-bay last night for $2900 each, same situation. Reported them and 10 minutes later they were gone.

 

[texascop]

It's gone.

 

[texascop]

It's gone.

 

[Guest]

Same deal

I also reported a scam bike to ebay last week and never heard a peep from them but the bike was gone fast.

Same deal, free shipping, unbelievable price and obvious mistakes in the description.

I am bidding on a nice bridge though; it apparently goes from some place called New York to another place called New Jersey. If they're both new, this must be a good deal because they will need this bridge a lot!

 

[srtscu]

Just for kicks I inquired about the bike through the email the lister provided. You be the judge if its a scam or not. Heres the reply;

Hello and sorry for delay,
I 'm glad to hear that you are interested in my bike. This bike is in perfect condition without any damaged or other problems. The bike is no longer on eBay as I removed it for another buyer who told me he will buy it but his loan was not approved and now the bike is available for selling.
This bike is in perfect condition!!! The bike has a Clear Title witch you will receive it with the bike. It can be registered into your name. Also this bike will arrive with all the documentation required for registration. I will ship the bike for free and in 3 days you will have it. Currently I live in Vestal New York and the shipping will done to you from here where the bike is already. It has US clear title US emissions. I will send you all papers and documents, clear title, bills of sale to prove the ownership and to be able to register it with no problem.
So once again here are the main facts of this transaction:
-FREE SHIPPING
-Clear Title,Warranty,all papers to register the bike
-US mode with US specs
Also, you have nothing to worry about this deal because will be done it in a secure way. The transaction will close only through eBay so me as the seller I am protected and you as a buyer will receive the bike. The price is US $5,800.00 with shipping included anywhere in the continental US. There are no other costs regarding this transaction. Now, in order to be able to buy it please let me know if you have any negative feedback and, if this is the case, for what reason. I apologize for asking for such information but I need to be sure.
Please also provide me with the following details necessary to take a decision:
-your full name and address for shipping
-your ph#
In order to close the transaction through eBay I will need a reply from you and also the information's that I requested and I will start the transaction through them immediately.
Thank you,

 

[black hills]

You won't believe my luck this week!! I have had 3 people contact me (2 from the UK and 1 from hungary) they need to transfer large amounts of cash to a US account. In exchange for letting them use my account I get to keep 20%!!!! It's going to be around a million dollars if it all works out!! Looks like it's early retirement for me!! you other poor suckers can keep on working.....

 

[jrhodus]

Re: Same deal

I also reported a scam bike to ebay last week and never heard a peep from them but the bike was gone fast.

Same deal, free shipping, unbelievable price and obvious mistakes in the description.

I am bidding on a nice bridge though; it apparently goes from some place called New York to another place called New Jersey. If they're both new, this must be a good deal because they will need this bridge a lot!

So I guess the price I quoted you was to your liking! I'll keep checking my mail for your check! :twisted:

 

[Guest]

I use Ebay way too darn much.

Scams are there and easy to spot.

If the scammers knew the 'triggers' they'd change up - but they don't.

I do not like the Ebay message system as it is web based and slow.

Running 50 - 60 auctions per week on Ebay I get tons of messages and answer them only through my Email client. The user can send via Ebay but Ebay sends it to my mail client. Using Ebays message system is ok, but not much safer than using direct email - the email message trail is always going to be there.

ALSO - Those scams not exclusive to Ebay - look on Craigs List.

Jim N - I feel what you are saying - we sell over 1000 collectible knives per year. I don't see many, if any counterfeits though mainly due to where I obtain the knives. If a fake were to slip through I would buy it back and destroy it. But to date that has not happened to me.

 

[texascop]

Just for kicks I inquired about the bike through the email the lister provided. You be the judge if its a scam or not. Heres the reply;

Hello and sorry for delay,
I 'm glad to hear that you are interested in my bike. This bike is in perfect condition without any damaged or other problems. The bike is no longer on eBay as I removed it for another buyer who told me he will buy it but his loan was not approved and now the bike is available for selling.
This bike is in perfect condition!!! The bike has a Clear Title witch you will receive it with the bike. It can be registered into your name. Also this bike will arrive with all the documentation required for registration. I will ship the bike for free and in 3 days you will have it. Currently I live in Vestal New York and the shipping will done to you from here where the bike is already. It has US clear title US emissions. I will send you all papers and documents, clear title, bills of sale to prove the ownership and to be able to register it with no problem.
So once again here are the main facts of this transaction:
-FREE SHIPPING
-Clear Title,Warranty,all papers to register the bike
-US mode with US specs
Also, you have nothing to worry about this deal because will be done it in a secure way. The transaction will close only through eBay so me as the seller I am protected and you as a buyer will receive the bike. The price is US $5,800.00 with shipping included anywhere in the continental US. There are no other costs regarding this transaction. Now, in order to be able to buy it please let me know if you have any negative feedback and, if this is the case, for what reason. I apologize for asking for such information but I need to be sure.
Please also provide me with the following details necessary to take a decision:
-your full name and address for shipping
-your ph#
In order to close the transaction through eBay I will need a reply from you and also the information's that I requested and I will start the transaction through them immediately.
Thank you,

Odd how he keeps mentioning how the bike is up to U.S. emissions standards..........when it's an American bike in New York. :lol: This guy isn't even a smart scammer!

 

[ChicoNDman]

Frauds/Scams

This is an interesting post. I am an LEO with the FMPD in FL and on occassion I do see scams like the above mentioned. Alot of these scams I have been able to trace back to Kenya Africa. They are getting more and more creative in the ways they find ways to scam U.S citizens. They gather their prey mostly through the internet. Most of the time, I find that the victim's greed made it easy for them to be scammed. Today, a male was stopped at a bank for attempting to cash a fraudulent check. The check was from a closed account through a well known bank. Luckily for him, he had kept the correspondance proving his story. The guy tells me he receives a check for $3000. US. UPS delivered the check with a fake return address in WI. He is to cash the check and then wire the money through western union to two persons in Kenya Africa. If he does this, they will intern keep sending him more checks and give him a cut for helping them cash their american checks. Another story, an elderly woman receives a letter through the mail stating she won the Canadian Lottery. All she has to do is pay some fees and she will receive her winnings. She wires $4700.00. and never hears from the other party. She comes in to file a complaint. Detectives inquire "Well, did you ever play the Canadian Lottery"? What you guys think was her answer. As dumb as it may seem, there are victims born everyday. :shock: