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On April 24 Biden predicted that Trump would "try to kick back the election somehow, come up with some rationale why it can't be held"

On April 27 Trump emphatically rejected the notion that he would look to delay the election, calling it "made-up propaganda" from his Democratic rival.

On July 30, with COVID-19 still having a death grip on the country (150,000+ dead Americans), schools resisting Presidential pressure to fully open, the economy reporting its worst quarter in history, 1M+ new unemployment claims a week, violent riots in multiple cities around the country, Trump Tweets delay the election. As Mr. Miyagi might have said "The best way to avoid losing an election is to no have one".

Thankfully, many, many members of Congress, a bipartisan response, in fact, said NO. And I am sure Kayleigh McEnany will be on the news later today or tomorrow talking about how Trump was just joking because he thought Americans needed some humor in these dark days.

Is mail-in voting a real problem, maybe/maybe not so much, but hey Mr. President, if you identify a major national problem, find a solution, don't run away. You've been complaining about mail-in voting since the last election and you've had nearly 4 years to find a solution. Where is it? Now, 97 days before the election your solution is to throw up your hands and quit? After all, we Americans conducted a Presidential Election during the Civil War and during WWII. Surely we can conduct one this fall.
 

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What a crock.

hey sparky, the mail in voting allows for fraud. That is a fact. Eliminate it. The most highly sucessful democracy In The world (India) doesn’t allow mail in votes and ensures one person one vote with an ink that shows you already voted.

If you are too lazy to get off your butt and vote then you are part of the problem. Be part of the solution and vote
 

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Well, Matt Groening, in a Simpsons episode in 2000, predicted that Trump would become president. Clairvoyant?

C'mon, let's be serious here. Sleepy Joe has no shortage of prognostications regarding Trump and himself. If you throw enough darts, sooner or later one's going to get close to the bullseye.

He found a solution to mail-in voting. It's called voting in person, like making a personal appearance to do your civil duty. Problem is that none of the left like the solution, so they ignore it entirely.
 

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Ummm, are there are zero people who legitimately might not be able to get to the polls on election day and would benefit by some alternative way to vote? That seems to be your position, I accept the challenge, set your timer for 30 seconds and let me see what I can come up with:

1.3 million Americans living in nursing homes
1.9 million Americans, >65 years old, homebound due to medical reasons
5.3 million Americans with functional limitations that difficult if not impossible for them to leave their homes.

That's approximately 9.8 million Americans who find it difficult or impossible to get out of their residence and go wait at a voting poll.

On average there are 48 million surgeries performed in the US each year, meaning there are approximately 131,506 surgeries performed each day, meaning there will be approximately 131,506 surgeries performed on November 3, 2020 and those people will not be able to get to the polls. Many of those people might have wanted to vote by mail.

Couldn't find the statistic, but my guess is there will be several million people in the hospital on election day with critical illnesses, such as cancer, who can't leave the hospital but would have voted by mail if the option was available.

Some people have jobs that prevent them from voting in person. Some folks work 12 hours shift with commutes, others, like long-haul truck drives, are often far from their assigned poll on voting day.

There may be a few COVID-19 cases still around on November 3, 2020 who are too sick to get to the polls who might want to vote.

Of course, everybody who can get out and vote should, but blanket statements like: "If you are too lazy to get off your butt and vote then you are part of the problem. Be part of the solution and vote." are just a little simple-minded and that everybody in American does not live in the lap of luxury and health like you.

Weather, snowstorms and hurricanes have occasionally had a significant impact on voter turnout. And they rarely sneak up on you. If I have a weeks warning that a hurricane is expected on or about election day, I might seek an alternative way to vote, will the poll be even open?

We have the technology to enable voting for those who otherwise can't make it to the poll. For example, I, and millions of other Americans, securely file our income taxes securely online, securely receive tax refunds directly deposited to our bank accounts, securely receive our paycheck, Social Security, and other payments securely via direct deposit, securely pay our bills online, make payments at grocery stores and other places using debit and credit cards, and securely buy stuff online, the entire stock market securely runs securely online, in many cases, you can pay your speeding tickets online (unless you want to go in and try to lie to the court) why is it so hard to come up with a solution for voting for those who otherwise can't make it to the polls.

What a crock.

hey sparky, the mail in voting allows for fraud. That is a fact. Eliminate it. The most highly sucessful democracy In The world (India) doesn’t allow mail in votes and ensures one person one vote with an ink that shows you already voted.

If you are too lazy to get off your butt and vote then you are part of the problem. Be part of the solution and vote
Mowoc, sorry to hear you think you live in a second rate democracy, perhaps you should spend some time in India to confirm you think it is the most highly successful democracy in The world (India). Two-thirds of people in India live in poverty: 68.8% of the Indian population lives on less than $2 a day. By citing India as "the most highly successful democracy in the world", you have successfully disqualified yourself from any cogent fact-based discussion.

(hey spanky), name-calling, the last defense for those unable to think their way out of a wet paper bag. If that fails, trying using all caps. Louder and repetition often helps when one has nothing to more to contribute.
 

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Over 70% of the Indians vote in their elections. Is that not successful to you? They have everything you point out and more. Even the homeless vote.

As a socialist I can see why you think that is unsuccessful - how can you cheat when one person one vote is enforced?

Edit: I just read how the “name calling” got under your skin. I am surprised you are not used to this type of discussion - the inability to apply logic and reason is usually met with derision when someone tries to pretend they are not logically challenged.

To be pleasant I will simply compliment you on the numerous participation trophies you must have earned at school. I am sure you are proud of them.
 
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I had a pony named Sparky when I was a kid. Okay, his full name was Spark Plug, but I called him Sparky. His mother was a Shetland named Calico, and his father was a palomino.
 

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This just in, today at 2:48 "Trump's own intelligence official contradicts his repeated claims of mail-in voter fraud".

Bill Evanina went on to say that the threat of fraudulent mail-in ballots doesn't even rise to a level of concern or discussion within the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, the group charged with election security. Rather their biggest concern is the gullible American public that buys into unfounded conspiracy theories and thus subject to anything our enemies put on the internet to divide American voters.

Who is Bill Evania? He has a pretty impressive resume and track record in Counterintelligence and Trump appointee, but sadly, likely to soon lose his job for debunking the mail-in voter fraud conspiracy that Trump is spewing and many are swallowing. Many, many are swallowing it.

In addition to name-calling, another sign of weak debating skills is stretching or misrepresenting the facts to falsely fortify a position. The actual voter turnout in the 2019 India election was 67%. Citation

Socialist? more and repeated name-calling. Supporting my earlier comment, Waiting for all caps. Your suggestion of me being a socialist based on my argument to be more inclusive voting is irrational and suggests a lack of understanding of the basic differences between socialism and democracy, along with inflation of simple verifiable facts, further degrades any point you're trying to make.

To be pleasant I will simply compliment you on the numerous participation trophies you must have earned at school. I am sure you are proud of them.
Aw come on, that's your closing statement? More name calling. again? But since you mention it, yes, lots of participation trophies, baseball, football, and hocky, 1 high school cross country record that stood for 3 years and just this morning did 6 miles in 80 minutes, 92 degrees, 78% humidity, 1200 ft altitude change, finishing up a total of 145 miles for July, much in 100+ degree heat. Not bad for a 69 year old, who has put 175,000 miles on his VTX 1800, including two 50 CC Quest, 47 hours and 46 hours, in 16 years and votes every chance he gets.
 

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This just in, today at 2:48 "Trump's own intelligence official contradicts his repeated claims of mail-in voter fraud".

Bill Evanina went on to say that the threat of fraudulent mail-in ballots doesn't even rise to a level of concern or discussion within the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, the group charged with election security. Rather their biggest concern is the gullible American public that buys into unfounded conspiracy theories and thus subject to anything our enemies put on the internet to divide American voters.

Who is Bill Evania? He has a pretty impressive resume and track record in Counterintelligence and Trump appointee, but sadly, likely to soon lose his job for debunking the mail-in voter fraud conspiracy that Trump is spewing and many are swallowing. Many, many are swallowing it.

In addition to name-calling, another sign of weak debating skills is stretching or misrepresenting the facts to falsely fortify a position. The actual voter turnout in the 2019 India election was 67%. Citation

Socialist? more and repeated name-calling. Supporting my earlier comment, Waiting for all caps. Your suggestion of me being a socialist based on my argument to be more inclusive voting is irrational and suggests a lack of understanding of the basic differences between socialism and democracy, along with inflation of simple verifiable facts, further degrades any point you're trying to make.



Aw come on, that's your closing statement? More name calling. again? But since you mention it, yes, lots of participation trophies, baseball, football, and hocky, 1 high school cross country record that stood for 3 years and just this morning did 6 miles in 80 minutes, 92 degrees, 78% humidity, 1200 ft altitude change, finishing up a total of 145 miles for July, much in 100+ degree heat. Not bad for a 69 year old, who has put 175,000 miles on his VTX 1800, including two 50 CC Quest, 47 hours and 46 hours, in 16 years and votes every chance he gets.
Wow. Participation and trophies and a braggart.

all you are missing is the coloring books and play doh and you will be the epitome of socialist.
Congratulations on being a bigger braggart than president trump. I didn’t really think that was possible.

as for the mail in ballots, let me askyou this:

Do you think voter fraud occurs ever with mail in ballots? Can you guarantee it doesn’t?

If you do admit fraud could occur or is possible, how much fraud are you cool with?
 
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I believe anyone who has a LEGITIMATE REASON to vote by mail should be allowed to do so.

If you're just lazy, can't be bothered to stand in line, or you're a pussy-"It's too cold", "It's snowing", "it might snow", It's raining and it's cold" etc, GOYA and vote! OR STFU about this Country.

I have medical issues, one of which is my back hurts like hell if I stand/walk for 10 minutes.

You can bet I'll be at the polls, no matter how long I have to deal with the pain.
The pain is worth it IMO, to insure my vote is counted.
 

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Ummm, are there are zero people who legitimately might not be able to get to the polls on election day and would benefit by some alternative way to vote? That seems to be your position, I accept the challenge, set your timer for 30 seconds and let me see what I can come up with:

1.3 million Americans living in nursing homes
1.9 million Americans, >65 years old, homebound due to medical reasons
5.3 million Americans with functional limitations that difficult if not impossible for them to leave their homes.

That's approximately 9.8 million Americans who find it difficult or impossible to get out of their residence and go wait at a voting poll.

On average there are 48 million surgeries performed in the US each year, meaning there are approximately 131,506 surgeries performed each day, meaning there will be approximately 131,506 surgeries performed on November 3, 2020 and those people will not be able to get to the polls. Many of those people might have wanted to vote by mail.

Couldn't find the statistic, but my guess is there will be several million people in the hospital on election day with critical illnesses, such as cancer, who can't leave the hospital but would have voted by mail if the option was available.

Some people have jobs that prevent them from voting in person. Some folks work 12 hours shift with commutes, others, like long-haul truck drives, are often far from their assigned poll on voting day.

There may be a few COVID-19 cases still around on November 3, 2020 who are too sick to get to the polls who might want to vote.

Of course, everybody who can get out and vote should, but blanket statements like: "If you are too lazy to get off your butt and vote then you are part of the problem. Be part of the solution and vote." are just a little simple-minded and that everybody in American does not live in the lap of luxury and health like you.

Weather, snowstorms and hurricanes have occasionally had a significant impact on voter turnout. And they rarely sneak up on you. If I have a weeks warning that a hurricane is expected on or about election day, I might seek an alternative way to vote, will the poll be even open?

We have the technology to enable voting for those who otherwise can't make it to the poll. For example, I, and millions of other Americans, securely file our income taxes securely online, securely receive tax refunds directly deposited to our bank accounts, securely receive our paycheck, Social Security, and other payments securely via direct deposit, securely pay our bills online, make payments at grocery stores and other places using debit and credit cards, and securely buy stuff online, the entire stock market securely runs securely online, in many cases, you can pay your speeding tickets online (unless you want to go in and try to lie to the court) why is it so hard to come up with a solution for voting for those who otherwise can't make it to the polls.



Mowoc, sorry to hear you think you live in a second rate democracy, perhaps you should spend some time in India to confirm you think it is the most highly successful democracy in The world (India). Two-thirds of people in India live in poverty: 68.8% of the Indian population lives on less than $2 a day. By citing India as "the most highly successful democracy in the world", you have successfully disqualified yourself from any cogent fact-based discussion.

(hey spanky), name-calling, the last defense for those unable to think their way out of a wet paper bag. If that fails, trying using all caps. Louder and repetition often helps when one has nothing to more to contribute.
Uhmmm, that's not at all what we are talking about is it? The Dems want mail in voting for the masses, and that's where the objection lies. Give you 30 seconds? Give me a break! Stay with the tour or you'll be left behind. So there's 10million that can't make it to the polls. Seriously, you're talking about 3% or less of the US population. With non-citizens voting definitely less. So you'd endorse mail in voting for the other 97% risking a totally bogus election for the sake of 3% of the population. If those 3% used mail I voting, then continue to hold the same criteria. Just don't make the go to for everyone, or even the majority, or even a far larger minority. Remember, every recount costs money, if it's bad enough, they could throw out any results, and have to start the process over, especially if the win is marginal. If you think you have problems now, wait for that to happen.

If I remember correctly, ballot fraud in 2016 had the finger pointing directly at the Hitlary camp.
 

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Socialist? more and repeated name-calling. ...
... More name calling. again?
Did anyone else notice that he considers being called a socialist to be name calling like its a demeaning word ? What word should be used to describe someone who continuously supports socialists and their socialist opinions, and constantly points out fault with the conservative president no matter how insignificant or if any exists at all, and to a lesser degree other conservatives. Most socialists are proud of that moniker.
 

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Trump has said REPEATEDLY that he's in favor of absentee voting but not forced mail-in voting for all. Anyone who cannot see that the dems are using this virus to force mail-in voting and steal the election has their head in the sand. They started pushing for it from the onset.
 

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And to the original question, clairvoyant ? that is way beyond the ridiculous, beyond humor, and the suggestion only shows how far out of touch you are with this. The man pretty clearly has dementia, and not the beginning stages. I have seen it first hand with a close relative. Joe is beyond being able to be temporarily propped up mentally with medication. And even more beyond ridiculous is the MSM saying "Where's Joe" is ahead in the polls. Americans are not the fools that cnn and other activist networks and their fake polls want us to believe. I predict that "Where's Joe" biden will be abysmally crushed in the November election, by a margin much larger than hillary was defeated. Thats a fact...

FORGETTING SOMETHING? Almost 40 PERCENT of Americans ‘think Joe Biden has dementia and 61 percent think he should publicly address it’

 

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Let's take a look at Creepy Joe's accomplishments:
  • He is currently under investigation by the Ukrainian Government for quid pro quo. (Remember the Dems impeached Trump for asking about that?)
  • He authored the infamously racist “Crime Bill” that has resulted in the mass incarceration of Black Americans.
  • He has played, perhaps, the largest role in our current Student Debt Crisis.(currently $1.6 trillion) as he was a large supporter of a number of bills responsible for it, dating back to the mid-70’s.
  • He is a creep. The evidence is there. (sniffing hair, fondling women/children, inappropriately talking about children touching his wet leg hair). Also, he has sexual assault charges filed against him in the Tara Reade case. Where's #MeToo?
  • Being led by Obama, he was a part of meetings that set up the unlawful spying of the incoming Trump administration. He may end up facing treason charges, but I won't hold my breath..
  • He's said numerous racist things that you don’t need a psych degree to point out: “You ain’t black if you don’t vote for me.”; “Poor kids should have just as much opportunities as white kids.”; “You people” (plus everything he said when pushing the Crime Bill)
  • He and his brother have connections to Epstein and Pedophile Island.
  • Obviously, we know about his cognitive decline.
 

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Yeah, I pray the majority of voters see this POS for what he is. God knows Trump is not perfect but, at least he likes this country. In a democratic republic 'fundamental change' is code for minority rule. Why should any segment of the population have greater voice then their numbers support? Why do you think the muslims are cranking out babies to beat the band. It's a fried egg deal. First they flip you one way, then they flip you the other. God help us!
 
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