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Gidday guys, We recently had comic com come through town and John Travolta was paid a bag full of money to fly out here and be the main celebrity for the tour. At each city he was charging $200 Australian (about $150 your money) for an autograph. $250 for a photo with him and $500 for an autographed photo with him. It just seems somewhat greedy to me as he was already being paid appearance money. Then friends and I were discussing the "meet and greet" malarkey that goes on. I'm old fashioned but I remember when so called stars were happy to build a fan base. Sure you have to put in a lot of work to get where he is ( and I am jealous that I am not collecting royalties for work I did in the 70s and 80s) Has anyone on this forum paid money for autographs or meet the star malarkey? How much money do these people need?
 

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Nope, NEVER!
The only performer I'd pay to see was Rodney Dangerfield, and he's been gone several years now.
As far as autographs, it's not my thing. :dontknow:.


Although, in 4th grade, I did receive an autographed pic of Richard Chamberlain. He played
Dr. Kildare, also many years later, stared in Sho-Gun.


My Grandmother knew his family.


The last Rock concert I went to was Jefferson Starship, in the mid 1970s
Ticket cost me15 bucks.
 

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How much money do these people need?
You summed it up Greed. Most of the rich people are greedy hoarding money always wanting more. When the next stock market/housing collapse hits the U.S, it's gonna be painful for the rich, they will see their assets evaporate right before their eyes. As for as poor people paying to go see a famous person and get a autograph it's a total waste of money. Bad choices keep poor people poor.
 

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I sense that; Travolta was charging people because that was his way of saying; "Don't bother me!" Nevertheless, I don't doubt that he lost a lot of respect by charging so much. I'm sure it wasn't about the money...he just didn't want to be overwhelmed with hundreds of people wanting a 'free' autograph.

On the flip side of getting an autograph, there are many out there who would get the autograph, and then put it on evilbay and ask $500 for it.:roll:

I'm just playing devils advocate here with a different perspective.:dontknow:
 

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Rich people are rich because they are greedy. It's a part of the formula. There are, of course, varying degrees of such.


BUT, the math doesn't add up.
$200 = autograph
$250 = photo
$500 = autographed photo.


If we took a picture, and had him sign it, that would add up to $450. What's the extra $50 for? Anyone that paid that is, IMO, beyond stupid. Actually anyone that would pay for someone's signature is beyond stupid. I guess that's what scientology teaches ... gouge the stupid.


"If God did not want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep"



Eli Wallach as Calvera in
The Magnificent Seven (1960)
 

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He has private hangars on his property holding his two private jets (one is like a 737 or something) that he flies (he is a pilot of that caliber). But those things are what, $100M? He needs some money, boys. Pay up and get yourself a signed photo.
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He has private hangars on his property holding his two private jets (one is like a 737 or something) that he flies (he is a pilot of that caliber). But those things are what, $100M? He needs some money, boys. Pay up and get yourself a signed photo.
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The thing about being rich and famous, first when traveling you can't anywhere like anyone else in the general population. You live a confined life shielded life from people that may want to harm you or your family when your famous. All this stuff costs - the private jet or jets, properties, homes, cars, personal to upkeep and maintenance on all these things. you also have bodyguards and security systems, there are also insurance and taxes expenses owning all this stuff. You need a CPA to do your tax returns. You need a financial adviser/ money manager to oversee your money and investments to maintain/ grow your wealth to continue to live a high end lifestyle.
 

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The thing about being rich and famous, first when traveling you can't anywhere like anyone else in the general population. You live a confined life shielded life from people that may want to harm you or your family when your famous. All this stuff costs - the private jet or jets, properties, homes, cars, personal to upkeep and maintenance on all these things. you also have bodyguards and security systems, there are also insurance and taxes expenses owning all this stuff. You need a CPA to do your tax returns. You need a financial adviser/ money manager to oversee your money and investments to maintain/ grow your wealth to continue to live a high end lifestyle.
Yeah, it's a tough life ... eh?
 

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Most famous people live in gated communities with high security. Sealing the general population from getting to them.
Of course, and rightfully so. If I were rich, I'd live the same way. It's what drives the American dream. The chance to be, and have more. There's nothing wrong with that. But it's also why they live in a bubble and not like the rest of us. Their lifestyle and therefore their thoughts on what is good for the rest of us are irrelevant.


Case in point, John Travolta thinking a scribble in ink done with his hand is somehow worth $200. A photo with his mug worth $250. He doesn't get the luxury of telling me, then, how I should live, or what is good, or bad, for me. He simply doesn't get to have an opinion on that. Just like I don't get to have an opinion on how much they have is too much. They got it, they have it, and good for them. Just that I don't have to contribute if I don't want to.
 

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Sad to say when I saw it on the news there was a line out the door of suckers paying the money. Think of how stupid the average person is. That means half of the population is even stupider. Here in Australia the top ten percent own fifty percent of the countries wealth. In your country it is even more unequal. Im not saying I want to live in a socialist country but a little more reward for effort and risk would be nice. I also read Bruce Springsteen doesn't do the meet and greet rubbish so good luck to him.
 

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Sad to say when I saw it on the news there was a line out the door of suckers paying the money. Think of how stupid the average person is. That means half of the population is even stupider. Here in Australia the top ten percent own fifty percent of the countries wealth. In your country it is even more unequal. Im not saying I want to live in a socialist country but a little more reward for effort and risk would be nice. I also read Bruce Springsteen doesn't do the meet and greet rubbish so good luck to him.
The American Worker Is Doomed
 

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Ah, yes. Jeremiah Babe from Palm Springs. Luxury Real Estate agent, commodities (precious metals) trader. Although he clearly understands the market, and the economy as a whole, does anyone really believe he can relate to the average working stiff. I mean, really relate??? I'm sure he is well meaning, but I'm not sure someone should be able to sound an alarm from the relative economic safety of his gold gilded ivory tower. He speaks from the other side of the American dream ... he's not a worker. Can he really relate? Listening to his dialog, it's full of assumption.


For the record, I'm not saying he's wrong, but sitting by his poolside in SoCal, telling the hard working souls out there they are all screwed seems a bit ... wrong. He clearly understands economics, therefore he understands that for people to be rich, then there must also be poor. Rich is relative to what everyone else has. He likely would not consider himself rich, as there are likely others around him that have more. Those around him that have less, much less, see him as incredibly rich.
 

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Don't forget that a lot of those $200 signatures by now have been sold on craigs and other lists for a lot more to people who could not be there but still wanted it. That's greed. Now imagine the amount of greed those people will have if those signatures would have been free?


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Don't forget that a lot of those $200 signatures by now have been sold on craigs and other lists for a lot more to people who could not be there but still wanted it. That's greed. Now imagine the amount of greed those people will have if those signatures would have been free?


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Is that really greed? To buy something and attempt to sell at a profit? I was once told, "Art is worth whatever someone will pay for it". I think this applies rather universally. If some fool is prepared to purchase a Travolta autograph for more than $200, why is it greed to let it go at a profit. That is capitalism, not greed. It's a business model that has facilitated the greatest economy in history. It is the very nature of trade. I have beads, and need a horse. You have a hide but want beads, so I sell beads for your hide. I then find someone who has a horse but needs a hide. Boom, I have a horse. That is capitalism and isn't greed, it's a vehicle to acquire what one wants or needs.


If you found a $1M painting in a yard sale and bought it for $10. Is it greed to want the $1M someone will readily give you for it? Not greed but good fortune and wise move. It would be greed to demand $2M that no one will give you for it. That greed just cost you $1M. And so the world turns.
 

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Is that really greed? To buy something and attempt to sell at a profit? I was once told, "Art is worth whatever someone will pay for it". I think this applies rather universally. If some fool is prepared to purchase a Travolta autograph for more than $200, why is it greed to let it go at a profit. That is capitalism, not greed. It's a business model that has facilitated the greatest economy in history. It is the very nature of trade. I have beads, and need a horse. You have a hide but want beads, so I sell beads for your hide. I then find someone who has a horse but needs a hide. Boom, I have a horse. That is capitalism and isn't greed, it's a vehicle to acquire what one wants or needs.


If you found a $1M painting in a yard sale and bought it for $10. Is it greed to want the $1M someone will readily give you for it? Not greed but good fortune and wise move. It would be greed to demand $2M that no one will give you for it. That greed just cost you $1M. And so the world turns.



The point I was trying to make is that the so-called 'greed' selling your own signature is nothing different than the 'greed' selling someone elses signatures.

Note my quotes around 'greed'.

To me whatever Travolta or signature re-sellers are doing is just fine with me: everyone gets what he/she wants.
I believe 100% in capitalism, because without capitalism a lot of people do get greedy: getting things for nothing.
 

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What it boils down to is, what are you willing to pay, & what are you going to do with it?
$200.00 per sig, times how many were signed there, times how many other venues, & how many were signed at each,
doesn't appear to me to be a solid ''investment.''


I could be wrong. :dontknow:
 
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