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I mean, I get that this isn't the forum for politics but at the same time, you don't have to read it...
Correct, but there are actual rules to the forum. Political discussions ARE allowed, it just must be in hotbox. Many other forums have completely removed all political discussions, if people don't follow the rules, you might find that this forum does the same. It takes a ton of time for moderators to go back and clean up the discussions, most work for free... Out of respect to their time, isn't it just easier to go to Hotbox?
 

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Correct, but there are actual rules to the forum. Political discussions ARE allowed, it just must be in hotbox. Many other forums have completely removed all political discussions, if people don't follow the rules, you might find that this forum does the same. It takes a ton of time for moderators to go back and clean up the discussions, most work for free... Out of respect to their time, isn't it just easier to go to Hotbox?
indeed sir. however most trolls don't follow the rules.
 

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It is changing now. I am flooded with emails from car dealers. They got stuck buying a bunch of over inflated trades and they are desperately trying to not take it in the shorts when they sell them.

Nobody is buying large purchases now. Nobody.

I would be happy to buy a used one if I could find one that was reasonably priced. It appears HD owners are pot heads too. The prices I saw on cycle trader were stupid.
Hmm. After having his 1800S totaled last fall, My buddy was shopping for a new-to-him bike. Liked the Indian Roadmaster's. Found what he liked in Ga. w/ 2900 mi. He flew there and rode it back to Pa. I didn't ask what he paid for it, just what the first digit was, a 3 or a 4. He said a 3.
 

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It is changing now. I am flooded with emails from car dealers. They got stuck buying a bunch of over inflated trades and they are desperately trying to not take it in the shorts when they sell them.

Nobody is buying large purchases now. Nobody.

I would be happy to buy a used one if I could find one that was reasonably priced. It appears HD owners are pot heads too. The prices I saw on cycle trader were stupid.
I agree that this could be potentially our new future. With the recession coming, people might want to save money, nobody will be buying expensive items, dealers will need to adjust pricing. Unless they adjust it the wrong way, upward. To compensate for "lack of buyers". Seen it happen. A company did that. Learned very fast that increasing prices past consumers' ability to spend was detrimental to business. It is all about balance.
 

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I agree that this could be potentially our new future. With the recession coming, people might want to save money, nobody will be buying expensive items, dealers will need to adjust pricing.
A long time ago, I use to hear wait to buy a motorcycle during the winter time, the prices will be cheaper because people don't ride in cold weather. I'm not sure if thats true anymore.
 

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I mean, I get that this isn't the forum for politics but at the same time, you don't have to read it...

So based on this reasoning, we can all ignore the rule about no porn on the forums because "you don't have to look at it". :rolleyes:
 
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Wait - this sounds like the pot heads that tried to sell me a bike.

I think the bikes themselves are beautiful. But there is a limit here.......

I heard "if you have to ask why you wouldn't understand" from these clowns before.

It should be "if you have to ask why you are not stupid enough to ride our bikes". thank god that most HD riders don't really believe this bs.
 

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Credit to where it's due:

FTC takes action against Harley-Davidson, allegations of restricting customer’s right to repair
by: Ben Newhouse

(WFRV) – The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is taking action against Harley-Davidson for illegally restricting its customers’ right to repair their purchased products.

The complaint charged by the FTC states that Harley-Davidson has terms included in their warranties that will void the warranty if customers either fix their motorcycles themselves or use independent dealers for parts or repairs.

Other allegations by the FTC against Harley-Davidson state that the company fails to fully disclose all of the terms of its warranty in a single document, requiring consumers to contact an authorized dealership for full details.

These allegations are in violation of the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act, which is a federal law that is intended to protect consumers from deceptive warranty practices.

The FTC has made it a priority to protect consumers’ right to repair their products.

“Consumers deserve choices when it comes to repairing their products, and independent dealers deserve a chance to compete,” said the Director of the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection, Samuel Levine. “Other companies that squelch consumers’ right to repair should take notice.”


The FTC is ordering Harley-Davidson to fix warranties by removing illegal terms and recognizing the right to repair, come clean with customers, and ensure that dealers compete fairly with independent third parties.

Source:
FTC takes action against Harley-Davidson, allegations of restricting customer’s right to repair


Brake defects
In an earlier post, we discussed a class action lawsuit against Harley-Davidson based on alleged defects in the brake systems of a line of their bikes. The company issued a recall in early 2018, but the lawsuit alleges that they knew about the defect well before they released the recall. Bikes can have brake systems that are poorly manufactured or designed such that they lock up or fail at the worst times, or they can have systems designed for specific braking techniques that are not adequately explained or distinguished by the manufacturer.

Harley-Davidson priced its 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010 Touring and CVO Touring model motorcycles significantly higher due to the inclusion of the ABS. Harley-Davidson instructs riders to use different braking techniques in emergency situations depending on whether the bike in question is equipped with ABS or not. In 2008, Harley-Davidson discovered that the normal motion of turning the front wheel back and forth would lead to breakage in the wires connecting the speed sensor to the engine control unit (“ECU”). If the wires connecting the speed sensor to the ECU are severed, the ABS would become nonfunctioning, and the emergency braking technique promoted by HD would put riders at serious risk of injury. However, despite knowing the grave complications that could arise from issues with the ABS, Harley-Davidson continued to sell the defective bikes to both private citizens and municipalities with motorcycle law enforcement squads through 2010. Harley-Davidson allegedly did not remedy the defective ABS wiring in its bikes until 2011.

Engine defects
The brake lawsuit was not the first class action against Harley-Davidson. A few years earlier, plaintiffs alleged that Harley-Davidson bikes equipped with a particular model of engine (the Twin Cam 103) contained a design defect that ran overly hot, posing a risk to any rider, creating a risk of severely burning riders while on a trip. Burning a motorcyclist during a trip could not only leave them with the pain and scarring from the burn itself, but it could also cause them to lose control if they are burned unexpectedly while traveling at high speeds.

Source: 4 Motorcycle Defects to Watch Out for - Law Offices of William E. Weiss


I'm a member of a Harley forum, and someone there asked about 'bad years' to avoid in terms of the EVO engine. The advice given was 2003-2009 are the 'bad years'. :eek:

Here's another 'years to avoid' thread: What year TC to look out for? 👎


I own a Harley, but I'm not blind to their history of bad design.
 

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I heard "if you have to ask why you wouldn't understand" from these clowns before.

It should be "if you have to ask why you are not stupid enough to ride our bikes". thank god that most HD riders don't really believe this bs.
I agree that the, "if you have to ask" is not only BS, but edges on cult-like devotion. As a Harley owner though, I'll point out that your lumping us all as "stupid" goes too far. If your wife was a total bitch, but she was also a total babe/knockout, I could say you're stupid for putting up with her, but you might need to "understand" what goes on under the sheets to truly judge what is "stupid". 😏

I would also point out that there are a lot of HD riders who deserve a degree of respect, if they are buying the motorcycle they want, fully knowing they will be and often do fix the bikes flaws to make it what it should have been in the first place. This is part of the, "wouldn't understand" that may be alluded to in the quote. Hell, sport bike riders might say I'm stupid for buying a 1300 (my Retro) that looks old, and is basically heavy and slow compared to say a Yamaha FJR1300. My point being that just because we don't get why someone buys this bike over that doesn't necessarily make them stupid, or us smart.



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I thought I was clear that I didn’t think most Harley people bought that bs.

If I wasn’t, I apologize. I think the person chooses to be a clown, not that an inanimate object makes them a clown. If the inanimate object made them a clown than either:

I am said clown for believing that.

HD belongs in a Stephen king novel ala Christine.
 
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