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Tuesday, April 12, 2005

CP man dies after crash with bus
Wesley Woods was riding his motorcyle when the collision, at Isaacs Avenue and Main Street, occurred.

By Terry McConn of the Union-Bulletin

Tuesday, April 12, 2005




Staff members at Whitman College are mourning the death of a valued colleague who died Monday after the motorcycle he was riding collided with a Valley Transit bus near the college campus.

Wesley A. Woods, 60, of 555 S.W. Third St., College Place, was pronounced dead at St. Mary Medical Center at 4:20 p.m., about three hours after the collision at Isaacs Avenue and Main Street occurred.

Woods, a computer systems specialist at Whitman, died after surgery that revealed he suffered massive internal injuries in the crash, according to Walla Walla County Coroner Frank Brown. An autopsy will be conducted Wednesday afternoon to determine the exact extent of injuries, Brown said.

Walla Walla police said Woods was driving his 2001 Honda motorcycle east on Isaacs, approaching the intersection with Main, about 1:04 p.m.

The full-sized 2002 Valley Transit bus was heading west on Isaacs in the left turn lane and began turning across the eastbound lanes onto Main. Woods, who was wearing a helmet, wasn't able to avoid the bus and skidded into the right rear panel, according to the police report.

The bus driver, Tracey L. Eytchison, 49, and about eight to 10 passengers who were on the bus weren't hurt, officials said.

The roadway was blocked for about four hours as police took measurements and gathered information to reconstruct why the collision occurred. It may take some time to complete the investigation and determine further details, according to police.


Whitman College President Tom Cronin issued the following statement this morning: ``All of us at Whitman are extremely sad at the passing of a dear friend. Wes was greatly valued as a colleague and a friend to everyone who knew him at Whitman. He was an expert at computer systems who over the past 14 or 15 years was an instrumental part of a team in operational technology at Whitman College.'

Keiko Pitter, Whitman's chief technology officer, said this morning Woods was a client services consultant who advised students, faculty and staff about computer operations.

``Wes loved his motorcycle, and he was really into sailing,' Pitter said. A man of eclectic interests, he ``loved arguing politics' and enjoyed photography as a hobby, according to Pitter.

Apparently the crash happened as Woods was returning to work after lunch, said Pitter, who saw the aftermath of the crash.

``He was just the sweetest person,' she added. Her staff consists of 20 people, ``So we work very closely together. It's going to be felt quite deeply,' Pitter said.

Woods' survivors include his wife, Toni; a daughter, Jennifer Pinder of Oklahoma; and a son, James Woods of Vancouver, Wash., Pitter said.

Police officials today were continuing to interview witnesses and are seeking additional people who saw the crash. Anyone with information is asked to call 527-4434.



This is not the way to start out the season, Please everyone ride safe

Remember, we are not seen by others.
 

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I'm climbing up on my soapbox again, folks. GET MORE LIGHTS ON YOUR BIKE. The hanking cagers DO NOT see you. Put a lightbar on. Get those little Kury jobs on the front of your ride. Dual out your headlights. Put one of those headlight modulating things on. DO SOMETHING to make them see you coming.

The cagers DO NOT see you. Even with your high beam on. They DO NOT see you. Don't wind up a statistic like this poor man.

/end rant

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They don't pull out in front of me anymore.
 

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figowitz said:
I'm climbing up on my soapbox again, folks. GET MORE LIGHTS ON YOUR BIKE. The hanking cagers DO NOT see you. Put a lightbar on. Get those little Kury jobs on the front of your ride. Dual out your headlights. Put one of those headlight modulating things on. DO SOMETHING to make them see you coming.

The cagers DO NOT see you. Even with your high beam on. They DO NOT see you. Don't wind up a statistic like this poor man.

/end rant

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They don't pull out in front of me anymore.
Fig,

With all due respect, I agree 100% with your endorsement for doing everything possible to be more visible to cagers. However, I have always felt there is a greater problem . . . . . . namely, the public has always perceived bikers as second class citizens.

They have been able to propagate the "I didn't see it" defense and, unfortunately, it took hold a long time ago and prevails with juries in the courts, the majority of whom are cagers who perceive bikers as second class citizens! The simple truth is that they just haven't been trained to look out for bikers. I remember when compact cars first came out and the same "defense" reared its ugly head. However, mainstream American media with the help of the manufacturers spent a lot of money educating the public and, eventually, the defense became useless in the courts.

All of the major bike manufacturers need to spend some of their profits educating the public to look out for bikers. The onus is always on the bikers to look out for the cagers and the logic is just totally flawed.

I say educate 'em and make 'em culpable for their purely negligent driving with severe penalties. That will take big money from motorcycling lobby groups. As long as the "I didn't see it defense" is accepted, we are, in my opinion, pissin' up a rope, no matter how much visibilty we add to our bikes.

Ride safe,

Mike
 

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Friend, your post is thoughtfully crafted, well-written and perfectly logical. The problem IS the cagers' and the lack of punishment for these offenses by the courts.

BUT ... til all that is somehow resolved, WE bear the responsibility to ourselves and our families to do everything we can possibly do to keep ourselves from becoming their victims and another sad statistic.
 

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I agree a hundred per cent with Mike. In addition to Motorcycle riding I am a bike rider. I ride a road bike and have been doing that for years. Cagers think you are just an object. They don't see you as a human being in a bike or in a motorcycle. Something should be done at that level. I believe that having more lights is not gonna save you. It's up to you to be a serious rider, be defensive all the time, not get distracted and also, you need some luck. We all have situations every day- I ride to work- where we can get killed. We are assuming the risk. We love to ride. On the other hand, the government, the motocycle manufacturers and many others are not doing what they are supposed to do. The public has to be educated. They need to understand that the "object" that they don't like is a human being.
 

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*I believe that having more lights is not gonna save you. It's up to you to be a serious rider, be defensive all the time, not get distracted and also, you need some luck.*

I hope you know that that is certainly implied in my post. Hanging lights on your bike and then riding like an idiot is certainly NOT what I meant.

The main problem, as I see it, is that cagers DO NOT see you. More lights can certainly help that.

( I realize we are probably saying and thinking along the same lines, but just clarifying my position. )
 

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They don't pull out in front of me anymore.[/quote]

Knock on wood!
 

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so i take it CP Man was a member of VTX Riders and VTXOA,
correct Malachi?

did you know our lost brother?

it is sad and my heart and prayers go out to hiswife and family.
it is very sad seems he was a genuine nice guy from
the things said about him.

why do people not notice motorcycles.
their as big as some of these small cars.

very sad
 

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mikeinokc said:
figowitz said:
I'm climbing up on my soapbox again, folks. GET MORE LIGHTS ON YOUR BIKE. The hanking cagers DO NOT see you. Put a lightbar on. Get those little Kury jobs on the front of your ride. Dual out your headlights. Put one of those headlight modulating things on. DO SOMETHING to make them see you coming.

The cagers DO NOT see you. Even with your high beam on. They DO NOT see you. Don't wind up a statistic like this poor man.

/end rant

Here's my setup:



They don't pull out in front of me anymore.
Fig,

With all due respect, I agree 100% with your endorsement for doing everything possible to be more visible to cagers. However, I have always felt there is a greater problem . . . . . . namely, the public has always perceived bikers as second class citizens.

They have been able to propagate the "I didn't see it" defense and, unfortunately, it took hold a long time ago and prevails with juries in the courts, the majority of whom are cagers who perceive bikers as second class citizens! The simple truth is that they just haven't been trained to look out for bikers. I remember when compact cars first came out and the same "defense" reared its ugly head. However, mainstream American media with the help of the manufacturers spent a lot of money educating the public and, eventually, the defense became useless in the courts.

All of the major bike manufacturers need to spend some of their profits educating the public to look out for bikers. The onus is always on the bikers to look out for the cagers and the logic is just totally flawed.

I say educate 'em and make 'em culpable for their purely negligent driving with severe penalties. That will take big money from motorcycling lobby groups. As long as the "I didn't see it defense" is accepted, we are, in my opinion, pissin' up a rope, no matter how much visibilty we add to our bikes.

Ride safe,

Mike

WELL SAID ! I agree with you 110%............. :D Rod
 

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figowitz said:
*I believe that having more lights is not gonna save you. It's up to you to be a serious rider, be defensive all the time, not get distracted and also, you need some luck.*

I hope you know that that is certainly implied in my post. Hanging lights on your bike and then riding like an idiot is certainly NOT what I meant.

The main problem, as I see it, is that cagers DO NOT see you. More lights can certainly help that.

( I realize we are probably saying and thinking along the same lines, but just clarifying my position. )
you are right, we are thinking along the same lines. I just emphasize the fact that it more important to educate the public than having more lights in the bike. Of course I agree with you that the more you can do to make yourself visible the better off you will be. The problem is what do we do with those that even though they SEE YOU, they don't give a S........
But yes, I understand your point and I am sure you do understand mine. We share the same circumstances.
 

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Being visible.

News about downed comrades who have lost to idiot cagers is always tragic. I totally agree with many others on this board that we must do all we can to enhance visibility. Many riders make bad choices on what to wear, in my opinion--black chaps, black boots, black jacket, and black helmet, which also are a lot hotter in warmer months, by the way, because black absorbs the sun's energy (put your hand on a white car on a 90-degree day, then try putting your hand on a black car). Those dorky fluorescent vests help a lot, but at least choose a light-colored jacket and helmet. I have a bright Joe Rocket jacket and a white helmet, and I fly a small U.S. flag from a rig on my luggage rack, mostly because it catches the eye. I also have small spots up front, an extra-bright tail light bulb, and extra turn signals that I mounted by my handgrips on homemade brackets. And I still don't trust any cager out there.
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OvErKiLL{N99} said:
so i take it CP Man was a member of VTX Riders and VTXOA,
correct Malachi?

did you know our lost brother?

it is sad and my heart and prayers go out to hiswife and family.
it is very sad seems he was a genuine nice guy from
the things said about him.

why do people not notice motorcycles.
their as big as some of these small cars.

very sad
No I didn't know the man, the word that I am hearing is that he was riding either a Shadow Sabre or a Gold Wing. An hour before this happened, I was headed to pick up my wife for lunch and a guy on a Honda Shadow sabre was right in front of me. May have been him, but watched a pickup pull out right in from of him. He hit the breaks. The guy in the pickup just acted like no big deal. Didn't blame the rider at all for his reaction.

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Well, I'm going to have to disagree slightly. Personally, I think in a lot of these accidents they do see you, you just don't seem to compute in their driving computer. You're not a car so their brain doesn't say "Stop". (Especially when they're yacking on the phone) But hey, anything that can make you stand out more can't hurt.
I don't think giving stiffer penalties for hitting a motorcycle will help. I don't believe people will say to themselves "Well, I would pull out in front of this motorcycle and kill this guy, but now the penalties are stiffer." It reminds of those "Baby On Board" signs people used to have in their windows, as if someone would say "Dang! I was going to ram that car but there's a baby on board!"
Also, I don't feel my daughter's life is worth more when she's on her bike.
Anyway, this is a good discussion for us to have no matter what your position.
 

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I've said before, nobody out there cares about us. We are not a threat to them like they are to us. I've just been back into riding for a little under 2 years and I can say that I haven't, (knock on wood), had any so called close calls, simply because I try to be aware constantly that someone is going to do something stupid and get me hurt. Hope my luck continues. I know I will always try to be aware of my surroundings when cruising. Ride safe all.
 

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My thoughts and prayers are with his family.
 

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I think the AMA should spend some money and, make a public safety commercial educating the public concerning the do's and don'ts when it comes to being aware and a little bit more respectful when around bikess. I wouldn;t mind paying a little bit more towards membership.
 

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For those of you who think the AMA could do a little better advertising bikers rights here's their E-MAIL address:

[email protected]

If you are just posting your concerns on this board that's fine, but if you want results, cut-and-paste your thoughts into a letter to the AMA, and while your at it send a copy to Honda and your state representatives.

I just did...
 

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Thoughts and prayers go out to the riders family and close friends. Always be on the alert. Some people cannot see a car let alone a bike. Twice this week I have had issues with drivers not seeing me. Both times I was in a car :!:
 

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Cagers don't see us as second class citizens. Your eye automaticly focuses on the larger object ( the car behind the bike). Get more lights! Flash your lights! Do what it takes to be seen!
 

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I agree with fig and others, do everything you can to be seen and be safe. I'm sorry to hear about this :cry: prayers to his friends and the family.

Bruce
 
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