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No one said or implied that 300 miles was an appropriate distance to drive each month. That distance was chosen simply as a representative “tank refueling” range. If you understand the context of the conversation, we were talking about the comparative pollution generated from a Tesla ‘tankful’ vs a conventional car.
 

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No one said or implied that 300 miles was an appropriate distance to drive each month. That distance was chosen simply as a representative “tank refueling” range. If you understand the context of the conversation, we were talking about the comparative pollution generated from a Tesla ‘tankful’ vs a conventional car.
Well I did say I understood your point. I perhaps should have clarified, but I will here for clarity. I understand the context and why that number was chosen. I was supposing, and I could run some numbers for you, that in another context, the burden on an existing grid is not just another 10%. Not that you said this, but no one should infer that from your statement. I initally made that mistake and wanted to clarify. Again, none of that was to in any way discredit your point, but was intended to speak to it as another consideration.
 

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My 2c worth. I am no Einstein by any stretch of the imagination but all forms of power are ruled by the mighty dollar. How much profit is there to be had. Electricity is a very old form of power just like others mentioned. Wind and solar perhaps less so. However, the brains trust of the world could be introducing us to new forms of power if the mighty dollar did not hold all sway and power. Thinking outside the square such as tapping in to the worlds magnetic field as a simple for instance. There are people on this planet with the brain power to work out something better. Please put your hand up if this is you, your planet needs you!!!
 

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population control... First.

without fuel, farming output will reduce by 75 percent...
without fertilizers .. production of food is greatly reduced.

look at the production of sea foods,
and land based wild life for food..
way down in just the last 40 years.
 

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This week I saw two UPS trucks, on trailers, with "Natural Gas Vehicle" painted on the side of them.
Lots of short range fleet vehicles have been using natural gas for years. The trend has increased with the success of fracking and the tremendously increased availability of natural gas and its decreasing price. That same trend is what has driven the acceleration of coal plants retiring and/or converting.
 

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Lots of short range fleet vehicles have been using natural gas for years. The trend has increased with the success of fracking and the tremendously increased availability of natural gas and its decreasing price. That same trend is what has driven the acceleration of coal plants retiring and/or converting.
Agreed. For fleets it's hugely economical to convert to natural gas, and it makes sense ... money wise.
 

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My 2c worth. I am no Einstein by any stretch of the imagination but all forms of power are ruled by the mighty dollar. How much profit is there to be had. Electricity is a very old form of power just like others mentioned. Wind and solar perhaps less so. However, the brains trust of the world could be introducing us to new forms of power if the mighty dollar did not hold all sway and power.
You say that as if it’s a bad thing. :D Although I enjoy the uninformed silliness of discussions like this, what system besides competitive capitalism do you think is best suited to drive innovation and improvement?

Our street lamps were once fueled by whale blubber. Advanced propulsion came from horses and oxen. Early steam engines were powered by wood. The many distillates of oil gave us all sorts of advances, and the further development of electricity and transmission grids opened opportunities and advancement even more. And essentially everyone who drove these advances had a profit motive.

Let’s resist the silly folly of thinking smart people aren’t ALWAYS busy thinking up potential improvements. Modular pebble reactors are being researched, just like sodium cooled and moderated fission. When better mousetraps are discovered, they get introduced into the marketplace.
 

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Wise words Dud, and true. However, I personally believe that capitalism like the game of monopoly will eventually have one winner. One percent of Americans own ninety percent of your countries wealth. My country is heading down the same path. Over time some of us are getting better and better at the capitalism game. Centuries ago most people were born with a similar hand of cards and depending on how they played their hand as to how well the capitalism game treated them. All good, you get out of life what you put in. Risk/work = reward, as it should be. No argument. However, as the years go by some get access to the high cards in the deck and most get a hand comprising all low value cards. I offer no better system than capitalism. It has served me well in my lifetime. My grandchildren unfortunately will not get the same access to the good cards in the deck as I did being as the game is, over time ,tilting further away from them. My father needed only one job to support his wife and five children. You would struggle now to support a family on 40 hours work a week and the mindset of people has shifted from work/life balance to the judging of each other by wealth and job title. Back in the 60,s and 70,s in Australia we were all equal, the rich and the poor, all with the same opportunity for advancement in life. How it has changed! Anyway, that is my rant. Maybe Im just an old bloke worrying about the future for my grandkids.
 

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Further to my earlier post. It is just sad that we all play the hand of cards life deals us but some peoples deck contains only queens and up while some peoples decks contain only sevens and down. Most of us play a full deck. That's life and it will never change.
 

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Lofty

I go with your description of life.

I was born a looser
I lived as a looser
I will die a looser.

the American Dream. is a LIE.
unless you can play THERE GAME.
doing the right thing... do it legally. is the Wrong way to win.
 

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Not derailed but changed. What do others think of the way some have got very good at the capitalist way of life and others have not adapted as well.
 

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Not derailed but changed. What do others think of the way some have got very good at the capitalist way of life and others have not adapted as well.
Hmmm, interesting question. I would say, capitalism rewards those that embrace it, socialism rewards those that exploit it.

Success in capitalism is available to anyone, the masses as it were. Success in socialism is depends on the exploitation of others, indeed the masses.

Those that are "good" at capitalism, really is anyone that doesn't rail against it and has embraced it. Those that are not "good" at capitalism are those that do rail against it, and seek to find a better way though the exploitation of the masses, of course not realizing they are one of the masses sent to slaughter.
 

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I view it this way...

have Money work for you
have people work for you..

you working to get money.. just delays the endless pit of poverty.

the complete systems is Rigged... so the working man fails at the end.
or the working mans body fails... because of working to hard.
 

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In my mail last Friday was a bill from a medical provider for $458.00 for a procedure i had done to me over 1 year ago in January of 2019. I freaked out, this was from over a year ago!

Bill was for "Osteopathic Manipulation" performed by my Doctor (primary care) in his office.
I was having some back pain at the time, I recalled the doctor visit, the Doc had me lay on the table and he showed me how to bend my knee and pull it towards my chest, took 2 minutes. $458.00 ????
Good thing billing dept answered the call at 5:30pm that friday or i would have had to "stew" all weekend.
Turns out when i switched my Medicare advantage insurance to a different choice of insurance companies the old company didn't inform the medical provider of the change, they just denied the claim. Took over a year for them to bill me.
I didn't have to pay anything, i have a zero copay with my PPC (primary care physician), I just had to tell them the information on the new Insurance. There is a disconnect in the medicare system.

So there could be bills lurking out there from year/s ago that can come back to haunt you...
 

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I view it this way...

have Money work for you
have people work for you..

you working to get money.. just delays the endless pit of poverty.

the complete systems is Rigged... so the working man fails at the end.
or the working mans body fails... because of working to hard.
It's true Chuck. In some cases one can fully embrace capitalism, and still fail at some level. Sometimes its circumstantial, and sometimes it's self inflicted. Your circumstance isn't entirely isolated. It's not that the system is at all rigged, that would necessitate someone rigging it, but there are many pitfalls. This is why in every system of economics there must be some form of socialism ... to some degree. Such are the social programs our country has. Such programs are intended to help look after those that the system in some way failed. Unfortunately there are far too many people out there who have failed due to their own complacency and their own desire, who choose to live on our money, who choose to spend someone else's hard earned cash. Every system can be exploited and while many people would love to ignore the fact that people are not all honorable and will work for the benefit of others, you and I both realize that a man can work his arse off his entire life and end up with nothing more than the jack-hat that lived on the dole his entire life. And that, my friend, is the sad truth of it.

Still, I'd much rather have the opportunity to work for what I have than to work for what other people have. The opportunity to improve one's existence is the biggest part of the American Dream. Without that, why educate yourself and struggle to become better when it would make no difference whatsoever. You, my friend, worked hard to extricate yourself from a dire existence. It wasn't a raging success with you ending up retiring in your mansion on the lake, but you are not in the ghetto anymore and are not homeless, so your hard work, while deserving of better, resulted in better than you'd have otherwise, and for that you can take great pride. Because you don't owe no one nuthin'.

My father (an orphan at the time), and I'd love to tell you the story one day, worked very hard for us kids. Didn't know english when he arrived, but learned. Could not get credit to build a house, so saved for a lot, and then for some lumber and slowly the house took shape. All on laborers wages. He worked very hard in a hellish environment and slowly worked his way up to chief repairman. Never made great money and our joys were the time spent as family, never material things ... couldn't afford them. My dad always resented the fact that he was helping to make the factory owner all that much fatter. The big man was not shy about his social standing in the community. OTOH, there in no other economic system on earth where my dad could rise to the status of "middle class" on a laborer's wages and own his own home ... always debt free, raising 3 kids, all who went to college and university. My dad, BTW, had 3 back surgeries, all work related, and worked right to 65 when he retired. I see you and my father as having much in common as the cards dealt are rarely fair. Seems the playing field is always tilted in someone's favor, and therefore against many others. The "system" could be better, it could be more fair, but it's still better than whatever else awaits changing it. JMHO.
 

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Harkon, you speak as a man who has done well out of "the system" as have I. I too, have stories of a hard start and a comfortable finish. In this modern world, as in today, would some of these stories be possible? I am not so sure. To be very successful in this capitalist world one needs to be very self focused. I laugh at those who are successful Christian businessmen. How can you be both? You are either self centred or a giving, sharing sort of person. I never mentioned socialism and the living off of other peoples labour. That goes against my moral compass and always will. I am just aware of the way the monopoly game of life has gone past buying property to going around a board where it is all hotels now. The game is now skewed with the likes of a small number holding all the properties. I think it would be nice if the cards were shuffled and EVERYONE got what ever hand they were dealt. It will never happen of course. Therefore I continue working four days a week to maybe slip one good card into the hand my grandchildren are dealt. Be mindfull of the system and governments under which we live, is all you can do.
 

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Harkon, you speak as a man who has done well out of "the system" as have I. I too, have stories of a hard start and a comfortable finish. In this modern world, as in today, would some of these stories be possible? I am not so sure. To be very successful in this capitalist world one needs to be very self focused. I laugh at those who are successful Christian businessmen. How can you be both? You are either self centred or a giving, sharing sort of person. I never mentioned socialism and the living off of other peoples labour. That goes against my moral compass and always will. I am just aware of the way the monopoly game of life has gone past buying property to going around a board where it is all hotels now. The game is now skewed with the likes of a small number holding all the properties. I think it would be nice if the cards were shuffled and EVERYONE got what ever hand they were dealt. It will never happen of course. Therefore I continue working four days a week to maybe slip one good card into the hand my grandchildren are dealt. Be mindfull of the system and governments under which we live, is all you can do.
Boy, yeah Lofty. This is well said, thanks for that.

I have done and am doing well. Am I wealthy ... more than any other man. My wife and son love me, I have a good job, pays well, house is almost paid off, I've survived cancer and we are all healthy and will remain so, if God wills it. There are successful businessmen who are also, from outward appearances anyway as I can't judge beyond that, good Christians, but they also find wealth not just in money, but in the finer things. Many of them get by fine, but are far from amassing any great wealth. They look after the needs of themselves and family as best they can, and share much of their wealth, time and talent. They are the ones that don't complain about maybe going broke, because they just don't worry a whole lot about it. They also don't complain about not having enough, something I myself have been guilty of in the past, ashamedly so.

Yep, many times the playing field is far from level, this I do know. I know an Asian family, struggling financially, but getting by, are raising a family of doctors and engineers. (Funded schooling) The children will most certainly do better than their parents. That does have a lot to do with our exceedingly liberal country were it would be exceedingly difficult for a white kid who's parents were born here to get the same breaks for schooling as an Asian kid of immigrant parents. Not fair, but at least some kid who is struggling financially gets a break.

The problem is that one cannot have the cards shuffled, because the metaphor stops working there. We see that as we add to socially assist those that we deem need it we create a dependency state. Some benefit, but many if not most, become less successful. Ideally things would always be different. Ideally people would respond as we need them to for a better future for everyone, but it doesn't happen that way in real life. So unfortunately we must move forward from where we are now. Some will fail under any system, some will succeed under any system. No mater what, the most deplorable, self centered and dishonest people will succeed in either, honest hard working people will either succeed or not due to circumstance, and the poorest will remain the poorest in any system, unless changed by circumstance.

For your grandkids, like for my kid, we hope we can teach them the pitfalls and the way to succeed in life, but even then, nothing is certain. Only that we do our best to shuffle the cards in their favor.
 
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