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:evil:And that S**T just pisses me off!!:evil:
 

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I’m old,single and no dependents...I would like to think that if I had a family/dependents I would be responsible enough to wear a helmet for their sakes.....:thumbup:

PS...I will admit as a youngin on my CL77 my riding attire consisted of as little as I could get by with...I would have rode that thing naked if I could...what a blast....:grin2:>:)
 

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The only helmet law here is for minors - if you're under 18 you have to wear a helmet, nobody else. I wear one but I am in the minority here. My youngest son has a KLR-650. He rides that thing everywhere, offroad, onroad and even cross state a time or two. He NEVER wears a helmet. We do little rides together pretty often, and it does stress me a little bit us riding down the road together with him wearing his favorite ball cap on his head, but I never mention it or even bring it up, never criticize or fuss at him about it. He's 34 years old and doesn't need me telling him what to do any more, and he's known how I feel about it all his life. IMO he's not making the right choice, but there are already too darn many decisions being made for us so I'm glad he can decide this one for himself, just like I do. I would not change that. :thumbup:
 

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I’m old,single and no dependents...I would like to think that if I had a family/dependents I would be responsible enough to wear a helmet for their sakes.....:thumbup:

PS...I will admit as a youngin on my CL77 my riding attire consisted of as little as I could get by with...I would have rode that thing naked if I could...what a blast....:grin2:>:)

C'mon Phil, don't you remember that party where that chick with the flowers in her hair was dancing naked by the fire? And singing "Spill the wine. Dig that girl". And you offered to take her for a ride on your bike? And she said "Sure, but only if you dress like me....".
 

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Your choice. Isn't it great to live in a country where you can make choices! So, you can voluntary put your life at risk. Lung cancer from smoking, liver damage from drinking, diabetes from eating unhealthy foods, AIDS from unprotected sex. But heaven forbid you ride without a helmet.
THAT'S the point, isn't it. I live in a country that requires helmets anywhere you ride in this nation. It's the way I learned, and I feel most comfortable wearing one. When I travel south and ride where helmets are not required, I still wear mine. It's none of my business if someone chooses not to wear theirs if it's legal to do so. I never wore a seat belt until it became law, and genuinely disliked it for many years. I'd still drive without one if it weren't the law to do so.


Last year Alberta made it legal for people who wear turbans to not wear a helmet on a motorcycle. This is the sort of BS that is begat from runaway legislation. I advocate helmet wearing, but it is not correct to make exceptions based on religious garb wearing requirements. If you must wear a turban, then you should be legally precluded from riding a motorcycle. OR, no one is required to wear a turban. Nope, it should not be legislated, and anyone that wants to ride without one should have their liberty to do so infringed.
I know what you are saying. this is the first year congressman can wear scarves on the Congress floor, just to please our newly elected muslim women. Prior to this even the Jewish congressman could not wear their little caps.
Yay... Can't wait to wear my turban and a scarf on my next little sissy outing. NOT!
What next?
 

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Nothing like the air blowing through your hair and over your exposed skin....

I get it, back in the day I occasionally rode unprotected, even after my brother's close call, the helmet saved my brother's life (helmet actually twisted) after a car pulled out in front of him while he was traveling at speed, he flew over the car and down to the bottom of the catch basin. Jeans did not protect his crotch as he went through the fairing (years of plumbing issues). Another rider was riding with sunglasses instead of goggles, flying insect got between glasses and eye, distracting driver and missed the stop sign, cross traffic with right of way ended their life. Riding back from Wasilla AK, without helmet, gloves or goggles, I got caught in a downpour, hydroplaning off and on until I could ride to refuge, was at that point I swore I would never ride unprotected again.
 

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And of course my son's high school football coach who, without a helmet, got caught in a nasty Colorado hail storm.
I'll never forget the bruises all over his head.
He was/is fine, but it still makes me chuckle.
 

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I used to ride my 750 without a helmet quite a bit but nowadays i wear one almost all the time.

Feel a little foolish not wearing one these days. At 62 not feeling as invincible as i did when i was younger..

well almost 62, this Wednesday it will be official.
 

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OMG!!!!!!!!

WHAT IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT OK?!!!!???

Seriously - I think people first have to decide if they think they control when they leave this world. Would you have survived had you not had the helmet on? No idea. There are so many variables and so many possibilities that we would never know. One would have to go through the exact same accident in the exact same way without a helmet to know for sure - and that is not possible.

I do know that if I was that worried about leaving this world I probably wouldn't ride a motorcycle. Helmet or not all it takes is some stupid person in an SUV fulll of kids on a cell phone and I am toast. Even in my pilot those morons could put a hurting on me.

Personally, I love riding helmet, no helmet or whatever. I appreciate the choice and hope some person with no life ever tries to take it from me. I also am pretty sure I don't have a whole lot of control over when I leave this world. I could argue that the helmet saved me from being a vegetable, but I suppose if I was going to be a vegetable then nothing would stop that right?

Not to throw religion in here (but hey its cold and I like grenades ) but if you think there is some sort diving providence then there has to be some level of order to what happens. If not, then life is a series of random events subject to chaos theory and there is no order. Either way, it won't matter what you say or do here. No one cares - they will continue to do and act as they see fit.

I love the internet - The single biggest time waster ever invented. :thumbup:

oh, and I have a 5 month old daughter. I wear a helmet because I like the illusion it protects me better. For all 50 miles a year I get to ride. :(
 

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OMG!!!!!!!!

WHAT IF EVERYTHING WORKS OUT OK?!!!!???

Seriously - I think people first have to decide if they think they control when they leave this world. Would you have survived had you not had the helmet on? No idea. There are so many variables and so many possibilities that we would never know. One would have to go through the exact same accident in the exact same way without a helmet to know for sure - and that is not possible.

I do know that if I was that worried about leaving this world I probably wouldn't ride a motorcycle. Helmet or not all it takes is some stupid person in an SUV fulll of kids on a cell phone and I am toast. Even in my pilot those morons could put a hurting on me.

Personally, I love riding helmet, no helmet or whatever. I appreciate the choice and hope some person with no life ever tries to take it from me. I also am pretty sure I don't have a whole lot of control over when I leave this world. I could argue that the helmet saved me from being a vegetable, but I suppose if I was going to be a vegetable then nothing would stop that right?

Not to throw religion in here (but hey its cold and I like grenades ) but if you think there is some sort diving providence then there has to be some level of order to what happens. If not, then life is a series of random events subject to chaos theory and there is no order. Either way, it won't matter what you say or do here. No one cares - they will continue to do and act as they see fit.

I love the internet - The single biggest time waster ever invented. :thumbup:

oh, and I have a 5 month old daughter. I wear a helmet because I like the illusion it protects me better. For all 50 miles a year I get to ride. :(
Yes there are catatonic porno watching wack babies out there right now killing themselves in their own way too. I'd rather RIDE!
 

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What is everyone's opinion and experience with this?

If the sole reason for riding a motorcycle is/was because it feels good to do so without protective gear, it might be a valid point to question why riders are defeating this 'purpose' riding geared up. The fact is that reasons for riding a motorcycle vary extensively and how important the feelings of freedom (from lack of gear) also varies. One rider my argue that they hate the wind blowing in their face while another loves it, and some riders would tell you they would never trade the reassurance head protection provides for the fun of having their hair ruffled by a warm breeze.


I've been involved in a number of debates about helmet laws and something riders who argue that nobody has a right tell them they have to wear a helmet are missing a key factor in the debate, namely that others are affected by someone's choice to be reckless. When stats show that brain injuries caused by a motorcycle accident not only hurt the rider, but often the riders family, (loss of a breadwinner, excess medical bills) and ultimately the public who has to foot the insurance costs and medical bills of riders who can't afford to pay for it all themselves. A choice to risk extended brain injuries with related extensive medical expenses for the frivolous reasoning that it feels better to ride unprotected is a lame/selfish reason to put your entire families financial well being at risk.


For some perspective here, I had a friend who killed himself by head injuries sustained falling off a skate board with no helmet (it was from a 5 foot fall/blow to the head).


Outside of legal requirements personal protection is a personal choice just like engaging in a risky sport is. I've ridden for 35 years and counting and have always worn a helmet, and protective gear (leather jacket, gloves, heavy boots, jeans). I am and have always been in favor of helmet laws. Full disclosure here, I currently ride with a half helmet when I'm riding less than freeways speeds for short trips and on same trips I may trade my full leather jacket for my leather vest. I also am single with no kids and I'm nobodies breadwinner.


People still have a legal right to be stupid...>:). oh.....I meant to enjoy freedoms.
 

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Seriously - I think people first have to decide if they think they control when they leave this world.

Every study regarding safety and personal protective equipment indicates people have a degree of control in terms of preventing death or injury. It isn't opinion, but rather fact. To argue that wearing PPE is pointless unless it guarantees absolute protection from harm in every case is lunacy.


In short, we have a great deal of control over when we "leave this world" all the way from simple choices we make in food/diet to complex choices we make regarding choice of career, (e.g. Firemen have increased risk of cancer and Police for suicide) and lists of other choices involving health and risk.


As far a religion and god beliefs are concerned, I'm not aware of any religions that teach believers not to care about personal safety.
 

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Every study regarding safety and personal protective equipment indicates people have a degree of control in terms of preventing death or injury. It isn't opinion, but rather fact. To argue that wearing PPE is pointless unless it guarantees absolute protection from harm in every case is lunacy.


In short, we have a great deal of control over when we "leave this world" all the way from simple choices we make in food/diet to complex choices we make regarding choice of career, (e.g. Firemen have increased risk of cancer and Police for suicide) and lists of other choices involving health and risk.


As far a religion and god beliefs are concerned, I'm not aware of any religions that teach believers not to care about personal safety.
How would you test any of this?

You would have to have a person live their life one way, and then go back and live it the other. That is not possible.

If you want to wear a helmet and you think it extends your life great. Maybe it does. But there is no empirical proof it does because we can’t test the situation. I work out regularly and I am in good shape. There is no guarantee that the effort is extending my life.

Oh, and the hotbox exists for the religion threads. You and both know those are like land mines around here. :)
 

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The real danger is not from riding a motorcycle without a helmet, but from riding, period. If we're justified in requiring helmets to save medical expenses, why not simply outlaw motorcycles entirely? That would prevent a lot more death and injury.
^^ EXACTLY!!! Of 6 pages of comments... THIS is the smartest answer!
Motorcycles are DANGEROUS period! No seat-belt, no bumpers, no air-bags!
Just where do you draw the line on safety?

Everyone decides what level of danger they accept in their lives!
FREEDOM OF CHOICE! It's pretty amazing!

PS: This debate SURE gets old!!!
 

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I've been involved in a number of debates about helmet laws and something riders who argue that nobody has a right tell them they have to wear a helmet are missing a key factor in the debate, namely that others are affected by someone's choice to be reckless. When stats show that brain injuries caused by a motorcycle accident not only hurt the rider, but often the riders family, (loss of a breadwinner, excess medical bills) and ultimately the public who has to foot the insurance costs and medical bills of riders who can't afford to pay for it all themselves. A choice to risk extended brain injuries with related extensive medical expenses for the frivolous reasoning that it feels better to ride unprotected is a lame/selfish reason to put your entire families financial well being at risk.


This is the biggest load of gibberish I have seen on here in some time - and I play in the HD threads and hotbox.


There are so many holes in this that I will only name a few - I don't want to violate the limit on the characters for a post.

1. It is not always the riders fault when an accident occurs. There is no way I would blame someone who was hit - helmet or not. They should not have been hit and the choices made leading up to the accident are irrelevant.

2. This lie about "you hurt other people!" is propagated by those with no life who want to tell you how to run yours. Why stop with helmets? We could outlaw smoking! and Drinking soda! And cell phones! Damn, why don't we just have a bunch of people with no lives tell us whats ok? I mean the concept of personal choice doesn't matter when some prissy person gets their panties in a twist. :roll:

3. It is no ones business how anyone else chooses to live their lives. If we were arguing about gender identity we would see a different tune from those that are worried and want to pass helmet laws. I don't care if you identify as an female albanian goat herder - you can ride with out a helmet and not be judged by me (but I will probably snicker about the female albanian goat herder part).


You dont like riding without a helmet? Don't. There is no excuse for anyone to impede someones right to ride without a helmet except their own.
 
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