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You are dealing with a group of people who do not believe racism exists at an institutional level. I have given up trying to understand this sort of thinking.
You still haven't provide a single example of institutional racism. If you point to a racist policy, procedure or law, I will 100% be on board to fight it. The only 2 racist things I know of, nobody will fight. Affirmative action/eo, and minimum wage.
 

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You still haven't provide a single example of institutional racism. If you point to a racist policy, procedure or law, I will 100% be on board to fight it. The only 2 racist things I know of, nobody will fight. Affirmative action/eo, and minimum wage.

If you see no racism and you think everything is fine then I suppose nothing I say will convince you otherwise.

Good luck with your views. I am highly conservative but I still see the point BLM is making. I completely disagree with their socialist nonsense for sure but their points about the treatment of black people are no less accurate because they are a bunch of flaming socialists.

Instead of worrying about what they are missing, why don't you look at what they get correct?
 

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Mowoc, they're beyond socialists. They're professed militant Marxist anarchists. They don't care about black people anymore than they care about democracy. It's a classic Sal Alinsky tactic: 1) If a crisis doesn't exist, create one; 2) If a victim doesn't exist, create one; 3) If a villian doesn't exist, create one.

The very foundation of BLM is a LIE. Hands up, don't shoot never happened. Everything they've done since then has been to destabilize America.

Black lives do matter. So do the white llives being beaten to a pulp by gangs of black kids. So do the cop lives who are being targeted simply because of their uniforms. So do children's lives who are being kidnapped and abused at an alarming rate by people in powerful places. So does every life matter.

Black Lives Matter founder admits org's creators are 'trained Marxists,' BLM's goal is to 'get Trump out'
 

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Black lives will only matter for an other 131 days. After that it will be illegals again, bringing in cheap Mexican labor to rebuild the looted and burned cities here.
I think that's accurate ... unfortunately.
 

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I think that's accurate ... unfortunately.
I hope it’s completely incorrect. Cops who think they are above the law or worse think they are the law are a problem. I have seen it first hand. I have had run ins with cops who shouldn’t have a badge.

the rioting and looting is completely counter productive here. George Floyd should not have died. That is a fact. It doesn’t mean we get a free tv because of it.
 

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Mowoc, they're beyond socialists. They're professed militant Marxist anarchists. They don't care about black people anymore than they care about democracy. It's a classic Sal Alinsky tactic: 1) If a crisis doesn't exist, create one; 2) If a victim doesn't exist, create one; 3) If a villian doesn't exist, create one.

The very foundation of BLM is a LIE. Hands up, don't shoot never happened. Everything they've done since then has been to destabilize America.

Black lives do matter. So do the white llives being beaten to a pulp by gangs of black kids. So do the cop lives who are being targeted simply because of their uniforms. So do children's lives who are being kidnapped and abused at an alarming rate by people in powerful places. So does every life matter.

Black Lives Matter founder admits org's creators are 'trained Marxists,' BLM's goal is to 'get Trump out'
The political nonsense is part of the issue here. Colin kapernicks kneeling is a fine point. Grandstanding and demanding political concessions is just disingenuous though and makes the protest something else entirely. You cannot legislate racism out of people anymore than morality can be legislated. Just dumb.

Their point is still valid. A teenage black kid should not fear the police even if he or she looks different. All people are created equal and the bill of rights applies to him or her too.

if they focused on that message they would see real change.
 

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If you see no racism and you think everything is fine then I suppose nothing I say will convince you otherwise.
All I asked was for examples of racist policies, procedures or laws. Can you not give a single example? It seems like it would be easy since you say it's pervasive in the system. Stop stalling and show some evidence.
 

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I agree with everything you said except, "Their point is still valid." When a BLM leader goes on national TV and says they will burn down the entire system until they get what they want; when they loot and riot and vandalize and kill people on the streets; when they trash their own neighborhoods and destroy black businesses, their ideology has nothing to do with race and everything to do with anarchy and chaos.

Do you remember the start of BLM? It was the Ferguson riots. It was the Baltimore riots. It was marching down the street with banners that said 'Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon'. Where is the valid point in any of that? They have lost any semblance of credibility that they never had in the first place.
 

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More importantly, do you remember the last time the media and the left cared about BLM? Oh, right, last election. The left uses these groups for votes then tosses them to the side until they're needed again. It's a shame and people fall for it.

Like I said, if there's a racist law, policy or procedure currently in the government, I will fight against it. I think we all would, everyone knows racism is wrong. I just haven't been given an example of one

.. other than minimum wage or affirmative action, both of which people refuse to understand are racist.
 

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All I asked was for examples of racist policies, procedures or laws. Can you not give a single example? It seems like it would be easy since you say it's pervasive in the system. Stop stalling and show some evidence.
Amusing. You demand something you have no right to receive. Worse, you refuse someone the right to their opinion until you are satisfied that it is valid.

finally, it is clear you see no racism anywhere and in fact blame the victims of the very crime of racism.

based on all of that why would I even engage in a conversation with you? Instead of feeding your nonsense I will deman you justify it first. Tell me, why should I engage with someone who refuses to even concede there could be a problem?
 

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Their point is still valid. A teenage black kid should not fear the police even if he or she looks different. All people are created equal and the bill of rights applies to him or her too.
You are absolutely right, a kid should not fear the police, unless they are actually guilty of something. They should (kids) have some modicum of respect for law enforcement though, something that is becoming all the more rare.

I'm not sure that's the point though. The death of George Floyd certainly was the spark, but it feels more like someone had prepared the tinder, and was anxiously waiting for a spark, any spark, as opposed to a simple matter of cause and effect.

You are right, if they focused on their mission, as they state it, real change could happen.

Now we have a situation where a few members of a group (race) of people further polarize perceptions and opinions. Totally counterproductive.

We had a situation, North of the city, in a rural town, when protesters took over the town for a weekend. The message was racism and rogue law enforcement, but not a single person asked at the protest could answer "why this town?". Maybe in a city, where people may experience racism, a small rural town in Alberta, has very few people if color at all, and of those that are there, none could speak at all of being treated poorly in that town. Generally speaking, we, in Alberta's rural towns, are pretty relaxed about people's differences. Such protesting belies the underlying motivations. Most there were there to protest, not for any specific reason, just to protest. Gotta be part of the movement ... whatever it is.
 

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I hope it’s completely incorrect. Cops who think they are above the law or worse think they are the law are a problem. I have seen it first hand. I have had run ins with cops who shouldn’t have a badge.
You just proved a point. You've had run-ins with cops. So have I. I took a cop with a God complex to court and won. But there's something telling here. We're both white. I've ridden with you and we've shared a table together, so don't deny it. You're very white. 😄

Your point proves it's not about skin color or the blue uniform but instead about the individual. To imply systemic racism exists among cops is bigoted in itself and denies the fact that whites also encounter bad cops. Rather, we're encountering bad people who happen to be cops. If we say we cannot judge a person's character by skin color, how much less can we judge it by the color of their clothing?
 

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finally, it is clear you see no racism anywhere and in fact blame the victims of the very crime of racism.
You have no evidence to back up this blatantly false accusations either.

Look kid, clearly you have no understanding of the point of having a conversation. It's to exchange ideas and information to possibly find common ground or at least understand the specifics about where you disagree. It's not to just spout off random nonsense and parrot each other's cockamamie fallacies. I never said you couldn't have an opinion, I'm just asking you to share the foundations upon which you've established your opinion.

You said there is systematic racism, all I'm asking for is an example. You say it's pervasive so that should be easy to come up with. Instead all you're doing to stalling, starw manning and deflecting the question.

Here, let me show you how this works. I assert minimum wage is racist. My foundation for that opinion is in the creation of the federal minimum wage law. Union leaders who represented skilled white workers didn't like that low skilled minorities who were willing to work for lower wages were taking jobs away from their union members. They lobbied congress to enact a federal minimum wage under the guise of fair pay in order to force minorities out.

See, stated opinion, and a foundation to support that opinion. If you can't back up your opinions, clearly they're not yours, it's just something you've heard and think you need to support because you lack the ability to think critically. I guess they skipped that in grade school.
 

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You just proved a point. You've had run-ins with cops. So have I. I took a cop with a God complex to court and won. But there's something telling here. We're both white. I've ridden with you and we've shared a table together, so don't deny it. You're very white. 😄

Your point proves it's not about the blue uniform but instead about the individual. To imply systemic racism exists among cops is bigoted in itself and denies the fact that whites also encounter bad cops. Rather, we're encountering bad people who happen to be cops. If we say we cannot judge a person's character by skin color, how much less can we judge it by the color of their clothing?
I don’t understand this post? Systemic racism doesn’t mean the system itself is racist (the bill or rights is color blind), it means the system itself tolerated and perhaps encourages racism.

If black teenagers fear police then that would be prima facie evidence of racism, wouldn’t it?

for someone to say cops don’t profile they must be daft. Of course cops profile. And they belittle and demean. Those cops have to be charged and incarcerated. We need to take cops like that and punish the shit out of them. Why? Because it is a slippery slope to them doing it to everyone.

defunding the police is dumb. Putting bad cops in jail is the answer. But let’s not pretend cops don’t hassle people on race. They do. And it’s a stain on their profession.
 

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Systemic racism doesn’t mean the system itself is racist
Then it's not systematic racism..... Do you even understand the words you're using?

If black teenagers fear police then that would be prima facie evidence of racism, wouldn’t it?
It's not racism unless they only fear white cops. Then yes. The teens are being racist.
 

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for someone to say cops don’t profile they must be daft. Of course cops profile. And they belittle and demean. Those cops have to be charged and incarcerated. We need to take cops like that and punish the shit out of them. Why? Because it is a slippery slope to them doing it to everyone.
I think we all agree any racist or crooked cop needs to be removed and any one that kills or harms a civilian without just cause needs to be held accountable. The cop in Minnesota needs to be held accountable, there's no question about it.
 

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I don’t understand this post? Systemic racism doesn’t mean the system itself is racist (the bill or rights is color blind), it means the system itself tolerated and perhaps encourages racism.
SYETEMIC: relating to a system, especially as opposed to a particular part.
synonyms: constructional · organizational · constitutional

Systemic means it's an integral part of the system and organization. It's policy.

If black teenagers fear police then that would be prima facie evidence of racism, wouldn’t it?
Nope! That position is a logical fallacy. Fear can be irrational. Maybe the youth was incorrectly taught all cops are bad and hate black people. If your statement is true, then we can say, "If a white person fears four black men walking down the street in hoodies and Air Jordans, then that would be prima facie evidence of racism, wouldn’t it?" The correct answer to both statements is NO.

for someone to say cops don’t profile they must be daft. Of course cops profile. And they belittle and demean. Those cops have to be charged and incarcerated. We need to take cops like that and punish the shit out of them. Why? Because it is a slippery slope to them doing it to everyone.
Cops profile for many reasons, not just skin color. I believe it skirts the Constitution in many cases regarding 'unreasonable' search and seizure. But your statement, "Of course cops profile. And they belittle and demean," is a sweeping generalization and is as bigoted as your accusations against cops.

defunding the police is dumb. Putting bad cops in jail is the answer. But let’s not pretend cops don’t hassle people on race. They do. And it’s a stain on their profession.
Defunding police is not only dumb, it's an intentional Marxist/Nazi tactic for eventual overthrow of the government. Putting bad cops in jail is the answer. The next sentence again is a bigoted sweeping generalization. If you would've said 'some cops'...[/QUOTE]
 

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Well of course cops profile ... it's part of their job. You can't tell someone who's job it is to catch criminals, not to create some mental image of what that criminal looks like.

It's much more complicated than systemic racism. I think that's an oversimplification that ignores too much of what is really going on.

For whatever reason, be it generational poverty, or breakdown of the family unit, or whatever, blacks are grossly over represented in crime statistics. To tell a cop not to be suspicious in a suspicious situation, is fallacy. They have instincts just like the rest of us. Does that mean there are no racists in the police force? Of course not, there are racists in every walk if life. Hell black cops are suspicious of black criminals, it's largely situational. In this case the stereotypes come from somewhere. That doesn't make them accurate, but it's hard for a cop to put their life on the line because of misplaced trust.

We know that cops also abuse power with white suspects. If the suspect is black it's racist, if white, well the cop has a god complex. Again, this doesn't deny racism at all, only it first needs to be correctly identified, in order to be dealt with. Otherwise, all you're doing is hamstringing law enforcement, further endangering lives.
 
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