The Hoppe fairings are a class above the rest. They fit up easily and are very good quality. I wish you luck and would like to hear how you fair with this.
Absolutely no apology needed, but I appreciate your mindset behind it. You did nothing wrong. A website is a terrible place to keep secrets so rest assured I thought long and hard about anything I wrote on mine. I've gotten quite a few emails from friends and customers about this thread and why I've been uncharacteristically silent. My book smarts usually run about 200% over my street smarts, so I'm going to sit on my hands for a little bit before I dare to put any of my private thoughts out on the net. Words cannot be unspoken, especially when typed.I want to first apologize to Glenn for any damage I have caused to his reputation. That was not my intent. Glenn is an honest and trustworthy businessman and I want everyone to know that I have the deepest of respect for Glenn and his craft.
I was just trying to bring to the conversation that “caveat emptor”, that is all nothing more.
Glenn, please forgive my lapse in judgment.
I've gotten quite a few emails from friends and customers about this thread and why I've been uncharacteristically silent. My book smarts usually run about 200% over my street smarts, so I'm going to sit on my hands for a little bit before I dare to put any of my private thoughts out on the net. Words cannot be unspoken, especially when typed.
I did bring up the over priced point but I only did so after this comment was made with no proof to back it up:That snake has bitten me too over the years. Very hard to "un-ring a bell" after everybody has heard it.
Hoppe and you will only come off as trying to justify your HUGE profits if you say anything negitive. Being a businessman myself, I understand what it is like to put hours into thought, R&D, mockups, prototypes----- experiment with fit, alter this and change that. Then you finally get the perfect product and somebody orders one and copies your design and sell them for a fraction of your cost. (I am a contractor and my client has stolen 5 of my employees over a 3 year period. They can't find qualified people, so I hire them, train them and they pay them 20% more to move over. Then the employees taunt me because I wasn't treating them right:roll:--Believe me-- I understand)
Then --in your case--people come here and slam you for your "overpriced product":banghead: gotta-love-that!
Things I look for. Not an email address but how about a phone number or phyical address so you can comunicate with a human being in case you have stress fractures breaking out under your $1000 custom paint job after some riding. I know enough about fiberglass to know how important quality is in the construction process--high spots, low spots, etc... I also understand the difference between trying to establish a business and making a quick buck on the weekends with Ebay.
JUST SAYING--- Buy what you want, but don't criticize the established storefront company because they want to charge more. It is your right to buy where and from whom you choose and their right to charge what they feel if fair.
:congrats: on your purchase. Show us pictures soon.:thumbup:
I also have no idea what the quality of this product is going to be but I am definitely going to reserve my judgment until AFTER I receive and inspect the product.These are definitely not our fairings. A handful or our dealers sell Hoppe Industries fairings and accessories on eBay, but they sell the real thing.
The VTX fairings in question here are basically a poor quality knockoff of our product, plain and simple.
I have a few days in moding a HD. I picked HD due to it's HD products that go with it. Yes, I have time/mat'l in what a woody's, JP cycles, WOC would cost. I like to tinker so I chose HD. Soon, I'll get another outer shell, make it diff than anybody else's.Ask anyone who’s adapted a H-D fairing to their bike for maybe $200-$300 how much it would have come to if they had paid themselves even $5 an hour for their time
No argument from me, but most of what you're asking for is just outside the mainstream enough for the potential market to be a tiny fraction of that for fairings with radios and speakers. Due to the huge cost of doing a fairing from scratch (cough cough) I'd be nuts to do a second version like you describe for the VTX before doing an audio version for the Nomads, Road Stars, etc. Most folks who don't want audio will just go with a Kenny Day or MShades "front only" version and a large tool pouch-type bag and be quite happy. The market just wouldn't support me in doing one like you described unless somebody else made one first and I made a mold from it. Then I'd be ready to sell them in a week and have less than $2000 invested, including labor and the cost of other guy's fairing.Know what I would like to see in a VTX fairing?
One that doesn't have two/four huge holes for speakers and one rectangular one for a radio! Give me two side storage compartments and a flat center 'dashboard' panel where I can mount the things I want mounted and not what some company thinks I should mount there. It just seem like they (manufacturers) think the only purpose for a fairing is for a sound system!
That's what I want in a fairing!
Oh yeah, it has to be made of FIBERGLASS - hand laid - not sprayed in - both inner and outer shells because I am a fiberglass person!
They didn't used to look alike, I designed the first (and at the time, only) 4 speaker fairing because round speakers reproduce the best sound and most stereos have 4 channels. Dollar for dollar 4 round speakers will blow away 2 larger ovals, though if you throw enough money at it a twin oval jobbie can be awesome. Then they started popping up all over. I do this for a living and I can spot things on a fairing that others may not, just as somebody in a different line of work would with their expertise. I do know it's physically impossible to quickly have an expansive line of fiberglass products without stealing, and they do seem to have quite a large group of products for a varied line of bikes if you look at everything they list on ebay. I also know what health insurance, sales tax, liability insurance, PayPal & eBay fees, etc. come to, and their prices can't support thousands of unpaid hours modeling their product lines from scratch. There are things I'd love to point out about what looks like what and what doesn't, but I suspect I may end up called into court some day so it seems best to let folks use their own eyes and decide for themselves. One the other thread where the gentleman posted pics of the counterfeit fairing with the real Hoppe door, I knew instantly it wasn't a Hoppe. It wasn't one of my babies. Spend a few thousand hours a year doing this and you'll recognize your own work. I don't think they've even ripped me off, just Hoppe and others BTW, but it hurts everyone. Makes me think twice about bothering to do anything really new and cool, if it'll come out the week later for $100 less. Like others, I'd welcome a rebuttal if there's something I'm missing here.Definately understand where you are coming from Glenn.
My biggest question is.................Is this a knock-off??? Or is it actually a fairing he made. Maybe I'm missing something, but alot of the fairings I've seen look alike. If it's a direct knock-off of yours I for one would not buy it. If it is just one of the several batwing fairings that look alike, who knows this guy did not do the work designing and testing it also?
I'm just curious here. As I said if I know for sure it is a knock-off, he would never see a dime from me. I have been looking for a fairing for quite awhile and have it down to a Woody's or a Memphis batwing. Deciding if I want a stereo will be the deciding factor on my choice.
Actually the choice above would be nice also. Glenn???
Glenn -No argument from me, but most of what you're asking for is just outside the mainstream enough for the potential market to be a tiny fraction of that for fairings with radios and speakers. Due to the huge cost of doing a fairing from scratch (cough cough) I'd be nuts to do a second version like you describe for the VTX before doing an audio version for the Nomads, Road Stars, etc. Most folks who don't want audio will just go with a Kenny Day or MShades "front only" version and a large tool pouch-type bag and be quite happy. The market just wouldn't support me in doing one like you described unless somebody else made one first and I made a mold from it. Then I'd be ready to sell them in a week and have less than $2000 invested, including labor and the cost of other guy's fairing.
Is that seller also selling a fairing for the VTX ?well this seller admits shipped from china http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harley-Davidson-Detachable-Fairing-for-Road-King-5-inch_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4a9d9a0993QQitemZ320471697811QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Now www.invictamotorsports.com is the parent company. When I first saw invicta, I thought they look like a legitament american made. I know awhile back, some riders here couldn't get them on the phone. Me, before I made expensive changes to my bike, I spent alot of time researching and listening. Just.... buyer beware, do your homework.