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Why are Motorcycle unit sales dropping and why are millennial's apparently not nearly as interested in riding?
Thought we could focus on this in this thread.

Just thoughts, but i wonder how much effect the last recession had on millennials. They grew-up seeing mom and dad scramble to keep the house and job, selling their toys for pennies on the dollar...
Are they just scared? Is it economic fear? Makes sense to me.

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It's not just millenials, gen-Z is not purchasing toys either. Many of these people grew up with video games, smartphones and social media. Riding bikes, and for that matter, outdoor enjoyment toys seems very low on the list. It's not that there are none that enjoy these things, but there are more than enough that would rather not. Much of the sense of entitlement we experience from these generations speaks to a lack of ambition. Without ambition one cannot afford such toys. I know more kids now that cannot drive a car (no license), never really learned to ride a bicycle, and have no desire to acquire a car or bike. They seem happy to live through social media and order food online from UberEats or something. Again, it's not all by any stretch, but enough that the number of individuals purchasing toys is diminished.


I also think there's additional financial pressure on these generations that limit spendable cash. Many don't understand working and saving for what one wants. Many find themselves well in debt before a car or motorcycle is even a consideration, and by that time, there's just no way to make it happen. I am seeing a lot of this in my son's circle of friends.
 

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Because bikers don’t have participation trophies? :dontknow: :joke:
 

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Remember when you were a kid you would pedal your bicycle up and down the street and as you got older across town. And later if you were lucky you got a mini-bike or dirt bike. How many kids grow up doing these things in today's world. This is where a interest in two wheels begins. If you grow up playing video games because your parents say other activities are unsafe. Chances are you'll never get on a motorcycle.
 

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I googled Gen-Z which i was not aware of, thanks. I may have been confusing the Millennials with Gen-Z. The Gen-Z age range was what i was thinking about in my OP when i talked about growing up in the last recession 2007-2009.
 

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a 1972 Honda CB750 ( new ) was $1,500 out the door...
a 1975 Honda Goldwing ( new ) was $ 3,500 out the door..
a 1986 Honda Goldwing SEi.. the most Tech motorcycle made at that time...
and first Honda motorcycle to pass the scale of $10,000

putting that aside...

the number of bikers converting to Trikes ( Can Am's ) and such....
many have died or are Dying...

everyone that I rode with 15 years ago... stopped riding ( age ).. or are dead..

then there is the price of a New bike....

back then a part time side job could pay for a New bike..
today... its a Full time job to pay for one.

something to look up..
the "YOUNG" of today... the number of young getting drivers license is WAY DOWN..
the cost of ownership.. of a car/motorcycle is so high .. its scaring away the young.


then the issue of a costly cell phone.... clothes that are "IN" TODAY...

my opinion.
 

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I enrolled both my millennial son and myself in the two-day rider course last September as a way to 'bond' since we hadn't done much together in a long time. He enjoyed the bike course and got his motorcycle license.. in fact, he's always loved riding any kind of motorized recreational vehicle. But then it got complicated. I went and bought the VTX while he bought nothing. He has enough cash saved up to buy a couple of brand new Harleys but he refused to get anything. Instead, he was bugging me for the keys to MY bike... Like the others said in this thread, the younger generation has too many distractions.. too much stimulation from the Internet. Apparently Japan is awash in porn, but young people aren't into sex any more. The real thing is too messy, too complicated. And NO, I don't lend my bike to anyone. Maybe what needs to happen is for manufacturers to scale back capacity. Events will decline for a while. But eventually there will be a rebound. Those of us who continue to ride will need better defensive skills. We're probably going to meet more antagonistic millennials on the road with no moral compass or concern for biker safety. It'll get worse before it gets better.
 

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I'm not a young pup by any means but speaking for myself I can't justify the prices of the new bikes. Not when you have good, low mileage/low priced older bikes in abundance.

The younger people are dealing with student loans and all the other costs associated with starting families. The normal ones anyways. It is more difficult to move up the corporate ladder when older workers are putting off retirement for many reasons. It slows down the progression ($) of things. I also think people's leisure priorities, in part due to the above, are just different from generations past. It is hard to be on social media when riding a bike. Something the younger crowd cannot live without.

It all ties in to texting in the crapper. That mentality of social media need must be all consuming.

I haven't watched TV (I do watch streaming movies or Red Box) in ten years and I don't miss it one bit. Won't miss my damn smartphone either if it keeps pissing me off.

That is all I got . . . tired. :serious:
 

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I just started riding last year and love it. Its a great bonding time for my father-in-law, brother-in-law, and I. We just helped my father-in-law change from an 85 Wing to a 07 Ultra Classic. The guy that sold it was just a little older than me and did it because of safety concerns. "It wasn't worth the chance." I think the price has something to do with it but I think a lot more is the stigma that the look twice save a life campaign created. The number 1 thing I hear when people find out I started riding was, "But you have little ones at home."

People are so distracted and so uneducated when they're driving. They don't understand that they're basically operating a guided weapon. That makes it worse for us and then people end up talking each other out of riding.
 

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.police officer hit while directing traffic in a school zone.
https://fox8.com/2019/10/24/caught-...y-suv-while-directing-traffic-in-school-zone/

50 years I have been riding... approaching 400,000 motorcycle miles...
young people not stopping at stop signs before entering major roadways.
people walking into traffic... and a few walking into moving trains.

more distractions, more dangerous crap on roads...

way to many people THINK they can multi-task while driving a 4,000 pound weapon
 

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Just a thought. Kids are occupied with things we did not have and they usually get to drive one of the family's fleet of cars. They grow up with nice things and probably wouldn't ride a worn out M/C. The only way they know how to get home is call mom.
 
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Here's your answer, OP: Because you can't ride a MC and operate your Smartphone at the same time. Younger generation is SO plugged-in, addicted to social media, that putting the phone down for a few hours causes them stress and anxiety over what they are "missing". They wait much much longer just to get their driver's license, because they'd rather be chauffeured around while they browse. They don't realize that if your are Tweeting about it, you're not actually DOING what you are broadcasting about, looking for the <like> <thumbs-up>.
 
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It's not just distractions though. Younger people have been so validated their entire lives that their existence is very much all about them.They can feel what they want to feel, and think how they want to think and it's all validated because it's all about them. Many of the common courtesies we were raised into are more and more rare. Again, this is not to paint all with the same brush. This "me first" attitude doesn't work well in a co-operative environment like our roads. Especially when the environment gets competitive ... which is constant. Many accidents aren't accidents at all, but rather a result from a complete disregard for others sharing the road.


This "me first" attitude limits personal productivity and ambition to better one's self. Earn the cash to purchase the things to enjoy. Those material thinks have become very much more about small social circles and larger social media circles than satisfying a need to just get away and fly free for a while.


At 14 I couldn't wait to get my learner's permit, and 16 my drivers license. A bike as soon as I could afford one. My own apartment ASAP. I wanted my independence ASAP!. Somehow more and more young people care not for independence, life is far too good at home, where the tail often wags the dog. I (we) love my son, and believe he loves me (us), but he cannot wait to graduate college and get out on his own. This is how it should be. At home there are rules, and he must contribute with his efforts. The household is very much a team effort. As much as I'll miss him when he leaves, it is as it should be. A 30 year old man living in the basement is not how it oughtta be. Because of this desire, he bought his own car, pays his own insurance, bought his own bike, does his own maintenance, gets is backside to school every day, works hard for his 4.0 GPA, and can't wait to start his independent life. Such haste for the young to become independent is far less common than it was for boomers or even Gen-X ers.
 

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yes, be out on my own...

my life choice....

and found a woman that had similar ideas for life..

NO children... None... we both raised our siblings.

work hard... get out of the City... have a few toys...

and the BIG ONE
our "OWN" home.
 
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.police officer hit while directing traffic in a school zone.
https://fox8.com/2019/10/24/caught-...y-suv-while-directing-traffic-in-school-zone/

50 years I have been riding... approaching 400,000 motorcycle miles...
young people not stopping at stop signs before entering major roadways.
people walking into traffic... and a few walking into moving trains.

more distractions, more dangerous crap on roads...

way to many people THINK they can multi-task while driving a 4,000 pound weapon
I saw that news clip earlier with a news person narrating and she said "The police officer is Okay". How can he be "Okay" after getting hit like that and flying through the air :nerd:
 

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From my personal observation, Millenials and Gen-Z kids grew up very sheltered and are scared of a ladybug's fart.
They don't like having to work for anything. As someone already pointed out, they are pretty entitled. So learning a new skill is strange to them. Why would they do it if they can pay someone else to do it for them.
I do not believe any economic recession has to do with their attitude. (again, just my personal opinion) The Millenials and Gen-Z kids I've encountered (at work or elsewhere) love to throw money around and buy the newest coolest stuff and post it on FecesBook for all to admire.
They seem to be disconnected from the outside world. They might even fear it. They'd go hiking only if trees and flowers has a Like or Dislike button. Especially with all the bees and mosquitoes around. Those are scary. So why go outside at all? It is safer and more comfortable to google pictures of hiking and cast them on the big screen TV.

Lastly: motorsports? Those are barbaric. All internal combustion engines are barbaric and archaic. Millenials and Gen-Z kids love electric cars because someone said that they're "cool" and "trendy". And FecesBook told them to buy one. Afterall, motorcycles are scary, stinky and loud. After a few seconds next to a motorcycle, a Millenial or Gen-Z kid would need to run to his safe space to stop hyperventilating and get over the anxiety attack.


Meh. All-in-all, if they don't want to ride, that means just one thing: MORE BIKES FOR US OLD FARTS! :thumbup:
 

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Here are two of the many things that stop the next generation from riding:
- College debt. With both political sides colluding with schools and banks and recipients of teachers union dues, they have allowed college costs to sky-rocket by making it easy to borrow money WITHOUT allowing a discharge of college debt during bankruptcy. There is absolutely no cost control in the college world. I worked my ass of for 51 years to pay for my boys, but I am aware of what their friends are going through to pay off these ridiculous debts.
- I live in the Denver area. Housing is awfully expensive here and I can understand why, after college, kids don't want to live with dad anymore, but also don't want to deal with room mates anymore,



Kids don't have much spare dollars for anything, including riding a motorcycle.
 

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Kids don't have much spare dollars for anything, including riding a motorcycle.
Sure. But you don't necessarily have to buy a $50k Harley in HS.
I started small and worked hard to afford a little 50cc motorcycle when I was a youngster. That's all I could afford. And I took up a paper route to pay for the fuel.
But at least I was riding!

I see Millenials buy expensive cars such as BMWs and Lexi. Cuz their Fecesbook peers say it's "cool".
If FB said that motorcyles were cool, I think we'd see more Millenials in hospitals. :D

And I just thought of a big reason why Millenials and Gen-Zs do not ride motorcycles. It's much harder to text on the road! :surprise:
 
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