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Never understood why IBM downgraded their consumer products and rebranded to Lenovo. I wonder how many billions they lost in sales. And how many billing they lose annually. Hilarious. At work, we were buying a new laptop. They asked me "Dell?" I asked if we can get IBM. They said "no, only Lenovo". I asked for Dell then.
 

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Never understood why IBM downgraded their consumer products and rebranded to Lenovo. I wonder how many billions they lost in sales. And how many billing they lose annually. Hilarious. At work, we were buying a new laptop. They asked me "Dell?" I asked if we can get IBM. They said "no, only Lenovo". I asked for Dell then.
Lenovo/IBM same thing. IBM owns controlling shares of Lenovo.


IBM was losing money in the personal computer market, they went to Lenovo because Lenovo had the manufacturing ability and IBM went back to being a unique service technology, not a commodity dealer. their focus is on AI, Watson, cloud and mobility.

IBM never made a profit in the personal computer market, that is why they handed it off. Lenovo has done very well and I prefer Lenovo servers and laptops over Dell and HP, they are made better, they last longer, less failures, and their service is second to none, when I call Lenovo for a repair, it is handled quickly, done right, and in some cases a loaner is provided or they come on-site.

The Dell servers I have had even as recent as my last company had constant failures, brand new $40,000 servers and it burned through hard drives every couple of weeks, RAID arrays would just fail on multiple drives over night. Comparable Lenovo Think server running for several years with no issue or problems.

and don't get me started on the Dell or HP bloatware they install even on Business class desktops and laptops, Lenovo business class = no bloatware. designed for business so no pre-installed crap.
 
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I've bought several items from fellow Blog members. They have something that catches my eye, they have listed a price I think is a bargain, I send then money, they ship me my item. I find it as one reciprocating the other.
 

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amazes me, I paid $150 for an OEM exhaust bracket, which my former Bubs exhaust used, I then had it powder coated for $40, I also had to buy all the inserts and bolts etc. so total out of pocket for me was around $240.

the original bracket I had was damaged and rusted, when I tore down the bike I originally was going to keep the Bubs, then changed my mind when I decided to de-chrome. And I got some freedom performance pipes in matte black.

someone on another VTX group is looking for the OEM bracket and all the related parts (which are all on back order) so they can go back to oem exhaust.

I posted I have a complete one with all the parts they need and it is powder coated black, not the raw metal as it comes OEM. I posted my price of $225, this includes all the inserts, gaskets, bolts, nuts, etc. at $225 I am still losing money.


This person and 4 others jumped on in PMs with their high and mighty "it's used so it is only worth half" mentality.

first off it isn't used it is brand new, never installed and it is powder coated a nice shiny black which cost money
second they are on back order and retail is $150
third what moron made the rule that a used item can only sell for half the price of the same item new.


people are f-ing morons.
It's called entitlement. Americans have this idea that they are entitled to your stuff for free but theirs is worth gold. With up coming shortages on the horizon we are in for a rude awakening.
 

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It's called entitlement. Americans have this idea that they are entitled to your stuff for free but theirs is worth gold. With up coming shortages on the horizon we are in for a rude awakening.
Howdy from Texas and welcome to the club!
If you feel like, you can make an introductory post in the New Member section, tell us about yourself, your bike, whatever you choose (it is not mandatory). And don't forget to post pictures! We are suckers for pictures.
 

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Well ok guys it isn't about entitlement first of all if the item is used weather is is opened or not that decreases the value ...secondly alot of people sell merchandise of questionable origins meaning not everybody is as honest as you are so possession may be 9/10s of the law and possession of stolen property is a felony as well as receiving it so who is responsible if you buy stolen merchandise if you could find the guy who sold it to you with that in mind that drops the price even lower and every body knows if you buy from the wholesaler or the guy in the corner and not from a store the price should go down even lower ...
I sold high end antiques and collectibles at flea markets antique fares and collectives and had own two stores in the San Francisco bay area for 25 years and the shit I have seen everything from customers trying to pass counterfeit money to dealers offering no more than a insult counter offer of a price ..but people in this day and age think because they looked up what the item is worth and that is what theirs will sell for too ...well I got news for you ...those listings of high value online have probably been sitting there online for a long time waiting for that one buyer who doesn't know the Carney style of the business of buying selling merchandise outside of a store and will pay what ever the seller asks ...remember it is ok to make a reasonable counter offer on the item being sold ....
 

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Well ok guys it isn't about entitlement first of all if the item is used weather is is opened or not that decreases the value ...secondly alot of people sell merchandise of questionable origins meaning not everybody is as honest as you are so possession may be 9/10s of the law and possession of stolen property is a felony as well as receiving it so who is responsible if you buy stolen merchandise if you could find the guy who sold it to you with that in mind that drops the price even lower and every body knows if you buy from the wholesaler or the guy in the corner and not from a store the price should go down even lower ...
I sold high end antiques and collectibles at flea markets antique fares and collectives and had own two stores in the San Francisco bay area for 25 years and the shit I have seen everything from customers trying to pass counterfeit money to dealers offering no more than a insult counter offer of a price ..but people in this day and age think because they looked up what the item is worth and that is what theirs will sell for too ...well I got news for you ...those listings of high value online have probably been sitting there online for a long time waiting for that one buyer who doesn't know the Carney style of the business of buying selling merchandise outside of a store and will pay what ever the seller asks ...remember it is ok to make a reasonable counter offer on the item being sold ....


Agreed, 1 lucky Prince! The cat is a nice touch. LOL
A big howdy from Texas and welcome to the club!
Where do you ride? I assume in the south? I base that assumption on the fact that you ride in late October and early March and you have illegals without license or insurance.
Glad you dusted yourself off (metaphorically) and got another VTX and won't give up. Just promise us you won't get hit by another murderous moron!
And pictures, don't forget to post pictures. We are suckers for pictures!
Thankyou I ride year round and in the Eastbay Oakland area ...
 

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Well ok guys it isn't about entitlement first of all if the item is used weather is is opened or not that decreases the value ...secondly alot of people sell merchandise of questionable origins meaning not everybody is as honest as you are so possession may be 9/10s of the law and possession of stolen property is a felony as well as receiving it so who is responsible if you buy stolen merchandise if you could find the guy who sold it to you with that in mind that drops the price even lower and every body knows if you buy from the wholesaler or the guy in the corner and not from a store the price should go down even lower ...
I sold high end antiques and collectibles at flea markets antique fares and collectives and had own two stores in the San Francisco bay area for 25 years and the shit I have seen everything from customers trying to pass counterfeit money to dealers offering no more than a insult counter offer of a price ..but people in this day and age think because they looked up what the item is worth and that is what theirs will sell for too ...well I got news for you ...those listings of high value online have probably been sitting there online for a long time waiting for that one buyer who doesn't know the Carney style of the business of buying selling merchandise outside of a store and will pay what ever the seller asks ...remember it is ok to make a reasonable counter offer on the item being sold ....
humbly disagree, a new item is not used if it has never been open or actually used.

case in point.. I bought a brand NEW Apple MacBook for my daughter last year for Christmas, her grandparents got her essentially the same MacBook, only with more memory. I let her keep that one, the one I bought was NEVER opened, the shrink wrap was never broken, the item was never powered up, the macbook was never registered with apple. the item is not used it is brand new, period.

nothing and I mean nothing is immediately worth 1/2 its new price the moment it is sold, yes depreciation occurs if the item is opened and used, not if it is never opened and never used.

and even if it is opened and used, there is a level of usage and age before it hits the 50% mark, even a car takes 36-48 months to depreciate to 50% and vehicles are the fastest depreciating commodity on the market.

the value of the thing is whatever the seller places on it and whatever a buyer is willing to pay.

someone's "thought" about what it is worth is meaningless if they are not the person selling or purchasing the product.

Capitolism gives us the ability to negotiate and counter offer, don't like it move somewhere where the government controls the pricing of everything and takes 60% of your sale for their cut.
 

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There was this woman at one of the antique faire...who had a sign in her space the read:. It took me time to find this merchandise and I cleaned it and polished it and the price marked on it is what I want for it ...and you are right about what the value of the item is what the seller puts on it and what the buyer is willing to pay and that is the reason we art/antique dealers are trained by trial and error to find that chair for $5 bucks clean it up and then sell it for $10,000 because it turns out to be a rare Chippendale but yes that chair will stay where it is for years until the right person comes along .....personally I respect the seller and rarely do I counter offer because maybe I am just a thrifty Shopper and I figure that the seller knows current market value of said item and to put a fair price on something. Never when I resale Do I ever price gouge the customer. If I buy it cheap I can sell it for cheap and still make money on the item and build a long term customer as well. But I will be honest I never pay full price for anything except when it comes to my Honda vtx 1300r. first thing I do when I buy a used vtx is take all the accessories off and replace them with quality parts and spare no expense to get what I want ...secret.....I know where to shop for items at cost pricing or below cost pricing .....
 

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Ain't a free market great?

We must truly have thin skins if we are so easily offended that a low offer upsets us. If the only offer you get is 50% of what the item is "worth", then it's worth more to you than anyone else, and you get to keep it. It's not the buyer's fault it's not worth the same to them.
 
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Ain't a free market great?

We must truly have thin skins if we are so easily offended that a low offer upsets us. If the only offer you get is 50% of what the item is "worth", then it's worth more to you than anyone else, and you get to keep it. It's not the buyer's fault it's not worth the same to them.
that wasn't my point. it isn't buyers that are the issue, it is the 50 people that have to shit on the for sale thread with their "your price is too high" B.S. and they have no interest in buying the item, only screwing up the for sale thread with their opinion of what a thing is worth.

if you ain't interested in buying it keep your pie hole shut.
 

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Ain't a free market great?

We must truly have thin skins if we are so easily offended that a low offer upsets us. If the only offer you get is 50% of what the item is "worth", then it's worth more to you than anyone else, and you get to keep it. It's not the buyer's fault it's not worth the same to them.
When a buyer tries a low ball offer and you feel the price is fair value, stay firm on the price. People that shop and hunt for used stuff always want a good deal. Sometimes too good of a deal.
 

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Well ok guys it isn't about entitlement first of all if the item is used weather is is opened or not that decreases the value ...secondly alot of people sell merchandise of questionable origins meaning not everybody is as honest as you are so possession may be 9/10s of the law and possession of stolen property is a felony as well as receiving it so who is responsible if you buy stolen merchandise if you could find the guy who sold it to you with that in mind that drops the price even lower and every body knows if you buy from the wholesaler or the guy in the corner and not from a store the price should go down even lower ...
I sold high end antiques and collectibles at flea markets antique fares and collectives and had own two stores in the San Francisco bay area for 25 years and the shit I have seen everything from customers trying to pass counterfeit money to dealers offering no more than a insult counter offer of a price ..but people in this day and age think because they looked up what the item is worth and that is what theirs will sell for too ...well I got news for you ...those listings of high value online have probably been sitting there online for a long time waiting for that one buyer who doesn't know the Carney style of the business of buying selling merchandise outside of a store and will pay what ever the seller asks ...remember it is ok to make a reasonable counter offer on the item being sold ....
Sorry but is it possible to use sentences with capitals and dots?
This sounds weird but for me it is difficult to read your posts.
Mayby because of my age, my native language being Dutch or am I suffering from dyslexia? :D
 

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that wasn't my point. it isn't buyers that are the issue, it is the 50 people that have to shit on the for sale thread with their "your price is too high" B.S. and they have no interest in buying the item, only screwing up the for sale thread with their opinion of what a thing is worth.

if you ain't interested in buying it keep your pie hole shut.
Harkon made a good point about 'thin skins' but it assumes someone getting upset merely about a low-ball offer. I totally agree with the above, even though I myself have been tempted to chime in on a 'for sale' post when I know the price is too high. It's really bad forum etiquette to possible ruin a members sale by chiming in negative, sale killing opinions. It might be OK to PM the seller with your opinion, as in some cases you might be doing them a favor if they really have no idea how overpriced their items is.

On the other hand, I think it's OK to chime in (as I've done) to a For Sale post if the seller is offering a really great price on the item. I've done this a few times when what is being sold is something I've bought and I see the selling price is a super great bargain.

Although anything posted on a public forum (even items for sale) is open to members chiming in opinions, it's generally bad form to possible ruin a member's sale by crapping on it with negative opinions. :mad:
 

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I use to work with a Cuban on the international ticket counter. Dark eyes,dark skin ...nothing wrong with that. He could pass for a Mexican, my point is when Mexicans came thru the exit door , they would scan the agents and zero in on him. Most of the time when they go home, they have a lot of extra baggage ,two was the limit. At that time extra baggage could be as high as $50.00 per bag they are over. They would walk up to him for assistance on a deal for the extra baggage. The Cuban agent had'em figured out. Before he told them what the extra cost on the luggage ,he would look to his left ,then right as to keep what be said was confidential and tell them the cost for each piece of extra luggage is $70.00 , but for you $50.00...they could not get their money out any quicker to pay than you could wink.
 

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Sorry but is it possible to use sentences with capitals and dots?
This sounds weird but for me it is difficult to read your posts.
Mayby because of my age, my native language being Dutch or am I suffering from dyslexia? :D
I am Dutch too, but my primary language for the past 41 years has been English and I have a very difficult time reading it also, so I gave up half way.
 
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