The only "destructive" thing that you do in the pair valve removal is removing the reed from the reed holder. Yes, the easiest way to remove the reed is to either grind or drill-out the screws attaching the reed to the holder. The screws act like they are swedged in place. You can not just remove the reed holder because the outside of the holder is a ring that acts like a gasket that seals with the solid plates that you bought to replace the plates with the male hose nipple. You can remove all the hoses and the valve without doing any harm to them. If desired, you could acquire new reed holders (with the reed intact) and replace the pair valve system.

I believe the pair valve system operated upon decel, therefore gas mileage should not be affected.

I did the pair valve removal to get rid of the wet gurgle I had at idle. I did not experience back-firing even though I had the HK's and the hypercharger.

 

The plates can be got at HDL. See P/N GPC-599.

For great instructions see www.vtx1300tips.com. Click on TIPS and scroll down to Pair Valve Removal.

Good luck. If I can do it, you can....

 

The easist thing to do with the screws is to latch on to them good with a pair of vice grips and twist the heads off, takes 2 seconds.

 

The easist thing to do with the screws is to latch on to them good with a pair of vice grips and twist the heads off, takes 2 seconds.

Ditto that.

 

Pair valve removeal

PM BlueVtx he can answer your questions, he has a video that shows this procedure step by step and set you up with the block off plates.

 

The only "destructive" thing that you do in the pair valve removal is removing the reed from the reed holder.

I have to disagree. You can screw up the process like I did and end up with one of these:

However a little high temp gasket compound and I was good to go. The mod worked great for me and I would definitely recommend to others!

 

There are no disadvantages. You gas mileage wont be affected and will not affect the bike power or response at all.

 

Yeah, big disadvantage: Polluting the environment.

I'm no tree-hugger/environmentalist/GreenPeace member, but I don't see why I can't leave well-enough alone and leave the PAIR valve intact...my ersonal contribution to a clean environment, small as it may be. Besides, I don't have much of a herd-instinct having to do what everyone else does or thinks is "cool."

I think the stock pipes and associated sounds are just fine, and I do not find the decel sound annoying whatsoever.

John D.

 

Yeah, big disadvantage: Polluting the environment.

I'm no tree-hugger/environmentalist/GreenPeace member, but I don't see why I can't leave well-enough alone and leave the PAIR valve intact...my ersonal contribution to a clean environment, small as it may be. Besides, I don't have much of a herd-instinct having to do what everyone else does or thinks is "cool."

I think the stock pipes and associated sounds are just fine, and I do not find the decel sound annoying whatsoever.

John D.

You don't have any decel popping because you have stock pipes.

Nobody does it because it's "cool". It's actually the least "cool" mod I've done to my bike.

You certainly can leave your valve alone. Nobody here will be mad at you.

 

Yeah, big disadvantage: Polluting the environment.

The pair valve does not actually lower pollution if you got aftermarket pipes, It only injects fresh air into the exhaust to dilute the emmissions to fool the testing equipment. The exhaust wil get diluted anyway after it exist the pipes. No changes at all on polluting the envionment.

 

I first thought you were joking but then didn't see any emoticons indicating you were, so I take you as being serious...

Sorry, but it DOES reduce emissions...please do some research on the PAIR valve, how it works and what it really does do. It doesn't "'fool" anyone or anything. I would cite soruces here but you can do the same research yourself.

Since my bike is stock, it stays, and IS helping to reduce emissions.

John D.

 

Yes that is true if you have stock pipes on your bike. But if you change your pipes the Pair valve system becomes useless.

 

My feeble brain thinks that if you are concerned about emissions you need to leave alone the combination of the pair valve and stock pipes. Doesn't the pair valve let in air on decel to mix with the unburnt gases and to burn these gases off in the exhaust pipe? For this to happen in the proper place in the exhaust pipe (before the mufflers) you need to have the reduced flow of the stock exhaust. By replacing the stock exhaust with the free-flowing after-market exhaust, isn't it that the burning of the decel's residual gases won't happen because by the time the air mixes with the unburnt gases, they are too far down the pipe?

 

I don't know if anyone suggested this, and if I had to do it all over I would do it this way so not to ruin the reeds. Once you get the plates if they are as thick as the ones I got from BlueVTX I drill a indentation in the plates to accommodate the screw heads, then there is no reason to remove the reeds and if you wanted to put it back the way it was you don’t have to buy anything.

 

DonvtxC,

I DO have popping/gurguling -- whatever you want to call it -- when I decel but it doesn't bother me. That's the way it's designed.

I don't know what the big deal is re: replacing the stock VTX1300 pipes...they sound great to me and I don't annoy people with loud pipes...and I don't care to be behind someone who has them.

Enough said about PAIR valves I guess...I like riding my stock VTX anyway and despite all its apparent "flaws" out-of-the-crate.

But you know, all my cars stay stock, too...at least the used-car buyer knows what he/she is getting. in fact, IMO a stock ANYthing -- gun/bike/car -- is more valuable than one "improved" by its owner. I think most people "mod" their vehicles to death...i.e, basicly (sp?) just screw them up.

I'd prefer NOT to buy one of those "improved" vehicles...or butchered firearm.

Besides, if I want more power/performance from a car/bike, I buy a better one...don't try to make a .357 mag out of a .38spl...I buy the .357 in the first place.

But to each his/her own.

-- John D.

 

But to each his/her own.

I think this is key - it is your bike do (or don't do) whatever you like to it. This is the first bike (my 4th bike) that I've actually done mods and not stayed stock. I like the fact these bikes can be customized so much to suit each person's taste. I like to have a bike that mirrors my personality and taste. I just think it would be boring if we all had exactly the same bike. But as you said - to each his/her own.

Ride safe.

Dogdoc

 

But you know, all my cars stay stock, too...at least the used-car buyer knows what he/she is getting. in fact, IMO a stock ANYthing -- gun/bike/car -- is more valuable than one "improved" by its owner. I think most people "mod" their vehicles to death...i.e, basicly (sp?) just screw them up.

But to each his/her own.

-- John D.

Sorry, but this just isn't true. I've bought and upgraded many guns and sold them for lots more than I paid for them.

Hey, keep your bike bone stock if that's what turns you on....

To me...and obviously, to most of the more than 15,000 registered users of this forum, modifying and personalizing my bike is a huge part of the enjoyment of owning it.

You must live a very exciting life..... :wink:

 

Yeah, okay, but that's the herd-instinct (wildebeast, zebra, cow-herd...you name it) I was talking about...don't have it. Sorry. Bannishment to the Land of Misfit Toys for me I guess.

Besides, if you look at it this way, all the modded bikes really do look pretty much the same...the STOCK bike stands out. How rare are stocks? Plenty rare.

Point is, if you want be be different nowadays, don't get tatoos, colored hair or variuos body piercings...everyone has them and their herd does, too.

But although I didn't do the PAIR valve, change pipes, airbox/filter, rejet and so on -- the serious "internal" but so garden-variety mods I call them -- I DO have the Honda Custom whidshield, Honda lightbar with Honda spotlight visors, BossBags, Honda solo seat rail, Honda solo luggage rack, BreakAway throttle-lock, Honda front/rear fender trim and Honda front fender ornament, Cobra Fatty Bars, Honda leather handlebar toolbag...but I consider it still "mostly stock" (as per my sig) because you can get most of that stuff from Honda and it's Honda-made...that leaves the Breakaway, BossBags and Fatty Bars as "non-stock." Not much.

And internally, it still IS stock. And I find nothing lacking in performance in a stock bike vs. what any "mods" would do to improve performance...not worth the time/effort or messing-up my bike. As I mentioned earlier, if I wanted a more powerful bike, I'd have bought one in the first place. This 1300 is fine as it is.

So that's how I define "stock": OEM stuff you can add on doesn't count, aftermarket stuff does. Internal mods do, too.

As for modded guns...no sale to me, thanks. All I do with mine is polish/fit parts...for reliability on the street...no fancy this or that, no trendy rails, or other BS frills, just a stock gun -- even stock grips -- that are for self-defense use. I guess that comes from my RVN combat days out in the bush: Applying the KISS principle. If it works ALL the time EVERY time, that's all I need for the street. Otherwise, it stays stock. For example, I must have the only stock (circa 1986) Colt Series 80 Government 1911 in existance...everyone else has modded theirs. How boring.

But personally, I wouldn't be bored seeing stock bikes -- I don't care what anyone rides, I wave at them all -- but as I said, see one moded bike, you've seen them all. Look at Sturgis/Laconia/Hollister/Myrtle Beach for examples: They all look the same all lined up in rows.

Sorry, I wouldn't want to buy someone else's modded bike with who knows what's been done to it internally, let alone remove all that crappy paint and such external/cosmetic stuff.

I'm just sticking up for the stockers if you will...nothing wrong with them, either.

But enough beating this dead horse with sticks on the side of the road: Going out riding again today (I try to go everyday since I'm retired, single and can do whatever I want, when I want)...if those serious monsoon clouds look like they'll be a while in getting overhead.

...well, even if they DO get here. Can't let that stop me as the weather forecast here is 40% chance of rain for the next 10 days...too long to stay home all that time waiting for sunny weather and waste a good part of August riding time.


cool runnins,

That's a good way to do a mod...one that can be changed back with little effort/cost. Why bust-off screw-heads/ruin the reed valves when you don't HAVE to?

-- John D.

P.S. As soon as I can get some pics, I'll at least make an avatar of my bike (if I can get said pic under 59K in size)...but I don't have a website (URL) for posting pics here in the message body.

JD

 

your a funny dude cloud. You say to each their own, but based on your words in every post, you really wish everyone stayed stock like you. Whereas with the pair valve mod, the people that do it are not doing it because everyone else has, but because their bike sounds SO much better when they do it.

I have done mods to my bike that almost everyone on these boards have. Did I do it because someone else did? Nope, I did them because I researched them, and tried them, and liked the end result, either the look, the performance, the sound, etc... I have never followed. Does that mean I can not do anything anyone else has done before or I am just a sheep? I don't think so.

Nothing wrong with a stock bike as many have stated already. But unlike your opinion, there is nothing wrong with a modded bike either. So continue to get annoyed at people's mods while stating to each their own. Its almost believeable, but not quite.

Ride Safe.

 

Since my bike is stock, it stays, and IS helping to reduce emissions.

John D.

Stock smock.... Beat the seals, kill the whales, nuke Iraq! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

Biddy

 

Nobody has mentioned this but the Pair removal, IMHO, is a necessarry mod that needs to be done IF you change the Airbox/Pipes on the bike and here is why:

Most Changes in the Airbox have you plug the intake to the Pair system. no biggie, no fresh air into the system. The system becomes obsolete.

Here is the part that I found out after having it plugged for a while. Condensation builds up in the system and the hoses FILL with water. That water gets to the Pair Valve/Reed plate. AKA the top of your heads. This means that YOU WILL get water introduced into your heads. This is not a good thing.

All you have to do is pull off one of the Reed covers and look at the valve itself to check it out. You will see that it has started to rust. This means that Oxidation is getting into there. This also cannot be good thing.

So if you leave everything stock, Cool, good on ya.

If you want to change from stock, cool too, just be sure to remove it.

When I pulled my hoses off it scared me the amount of water that was backed up in the system for such a short time is was blocked. I would say there was at least 3oz. of water. This is a lot of water INSIDE an engine, any engine. Recently some of us WIVOS got together to give out fellow X'rs a hand doing the Removal and I looked at 3 different bikes, They were all the same, 1300 AND 1800. Plugged hose, Rusted Reed plate. No plug, no rust.

THis is just my $.02 into the discussion. I am not either for or against Modding the bike, to each thier own. What I am for, for EVERYONE, is knowledge on how our bikes work, act, and tend. THis is why I love this forum. It has helped me time and time again on how I can maintain and mod my bike, without the use of the dealer.

 

I don't know anything about being " one of the herd " :shock: I prefer to be one of the flock :lol: