a redline of 6600 rpms and the rev limiter kicks in at 7500 rpms.

How can that be? The limiter kicks in well after the redline?

 

Red line is recommended shift point

 

Red line is recommended shift point

OK then why does everyone frown upon raising the VTX's limiter?

Seems I always here something stating to the effect, that it is a safety issue and the piston COULD possibly launch out the cylinder.

Why is Suzuki not concerned with this?

 

i saw an exclusive today in a motorcycle magazine and it said the 109 has 123HP at the crank and the weight is 740lbs with a redline of 6600 rpms and the rev limiter kicks in at 7500 rpms.


now the VTX 1800C has i think 117 HP at the crank and the weight is 734lbs with the rev limiter kicking in at 5750 rpms. it doesnt seem like the 109 would be much if any faster.

Yeah but an S & S motor makes alot more power! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

i saw an exclusive today in a motorcycle magazine and it said the 109 has 123HP at the crank and the weight is 740lbs with a redline of 6600 rpms and the rev limiter kicks in at 7500 rpms.


now the VTX 1800C has i think 117 HP at the crank and the weight is 734lbs with the rev limiter kicking in at 5750 rpms. it doesnt seem like the 109 would be much if any faster.

the VTX is advertised at 106 HP at the crank.

 

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who cares???!!! Cruisers are about cruising, not strightline performance numbers! If you want to go fast, buy a sportbike. My 2003 Z1000 Kawasaki has 123 horsepower, with a redline of @11,000 rpms, has 6 speeds, and weighs 450lbs :roll: 8)

 

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who cares???!!! Cruisers are about cruising, not strightline performance numbers! If you want to go fast, buy a sportbike.

Amen, I second that :!:

 

I sure like the looks of the 109R and what a great name,but I love my X and when I am done Blinging it I will keep it forever. epper1: :lol: :lol:

 

DH the rev limiter kicks in after the redline. when you hit the redline and dont shift a few hundred rpms after that the rev limiter kicks in. if honda had a tach the redline would be somewhere around 5000 to 5300 rpms i would think.

its like hoda saying ok you didnt shift at the redline so the rev limiter will kick in so you dont destroy the motor or hurt your self by flying parts.

 

some of you guys dont understand the lastest trend of performance sport cruisers. granted there not as fast as a crotchrocket but for what they are they are pretty damn quick. the 1800 C the 109 the Vrod and some of the victorys.

 

Testosterone Factor

who cares???!!! Cruisers are about cruising, not strightline performance numbers! If you want to go fast, buy a sportbike. My 2003 Z1000 Kawasaki has 123 horsepower, with a redline of @11,000 rpms, has 6 speeds, and weighs 450lbs :roll: 8)

When you mix guys with cars, boats, or motorcycles the things that count are: performance, performance, performance, style, and value. The order may differ slightly for each individual. I submit that if performance wasn't the highest thing on your list then the VTX 1300 is a much better choice. The 1300 is an execellent bike, great value, great style and performance that exceeds most bikes in its class. The only significant difference between a 1300 and an 1800 is the added displacement, horse power, torque and the eternal "mine is bigger than yours," factor.

This is further supported by the amount of time, energy and money that is spent eeking out an additional few percent increase in HP and or torque from the 1800. Of which I am an avid and willing participant.

 

the 1800 C the 109 the Vrod and some of the victorys.

Why is it the C and F guys only consider the C and F fast bikes? The S, R, and N are still basically the exact same bike. Maybe add 10 or 15 pounds (I don't know how much exactly), but its not like that makes them un-quick, they are still "power cruisers".

 

the 1800 C the 109 the Vrod and some of the victorys.

Why is it the C and F guys only consider the C and F fast bikes? The S, R, and N are still basically the exact same bike. Maybe add 10 or 15 pounds (I don't know how much exactly), but its not like that makes them un-quick, they are still "power cruisers".

Most of the guys I ride with ride Retros and in general we have similar riding skills and a desire test the limits of our bikes. Its been my experience that in real life situations there is no significant performance differrence between my C and their Rs. Possibly if you put them on a closed track with professional drivers, a small difference may emerge but in real life they are virtually identical.

 

ehhh, until the manufactures can build something faster than the 20 year old v-max(the only cruiser worthy of the label, "power cruiser/muscle bike" when it was introduced), performance talk in regards to cruisers is just oxymoron. if the numbers are accurate, i can see the new 109 doing 12 sec. flat or maybe 11.9 sec. in the 1/4 but that's still slow in the bike world.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the V-max isn't even a V-twin, isn't it a v-4 like the magna or something?

 

i saw an exclusive today in a motorcycle magazine and it said the 109 has 123HP at the crank and the weight is 740lbs with a redline of 6600 rpms and the rev limiter kicks in at 7500 rpms.


now the VTX 1800C has i think 117 HP at the crank and the weight is 734lbs with the rev limiter kicking in at 5750 rpms. it doesnt seem like the 109 would be much if any faster.

Might help if you got your numbers correct.

VTX1800C
Presently (2006) weighs 734 lbs.
Has 106 Horsepower at the Crank

M109R
Weighs 694 lbs.


Thus a scoot with 17 more horses which weighs 39 lbs. less is going to spank a VTX1800C, everything else being equal. A retro, N, etc. model 1800VTX are going to be spanked even more, since they weigh much more than does the C model.

 

Re: Testosterone Factor

who cares???!!! Cruisers are about cruising, not strightline performance numbers! If you want to go fast, buy a sportbike. My 2003 Z1000 Kawasaki has 123 horsepower, with a redline of @11,000 rpms, has 6 speeds, and weighs 450lbs :roll: 8)

When you mix guys with cars, boats, or motorcycles the things that count are: performance, performance, performance, style, and value. The order may differ slightly for each individual. I submit that if performance wasn't the highest thing on your list then the VTX 1300 is a much better choice. The 1300 is an execellent bike, great value, great style and performance that exceeds most bikes in its class. The fact that a 1300 is a better choice is support but the fact that 1300s outsell 1800s by an almost 2:1 margin. Or at least thats what I've and I do see a lot more 1300s than 1800s. The only significant difference between a 1300 and an 1800 is the added displacement, horse power, torque and the eternal "mine is bigger than yours," factor.

The premium place on performance is further illustrated by the amount of time, energy and money that is spent eeking out an additional few percent increase in HP and or torque from the 1800. Of which I am an avid and willing participant.

 

Performance matters to some folks and not to others. The premise of this thread is a fair observation and is aimed more at those who feel performance does indeed matter. While it is true that sportbikes may be the place to go for sheer horsepower there are again many folks who just do not like the ergonamics or appearance or functionality of a sportbike and want as much performance as they can attain in a more comfortable package. So, straight line accelleration can be a selling point for cruisers. Kind of like the muscle cars of the 60's.

 

Re: Testosterone Factor

who cares???!!! Cruisers are about cruising, not strightline performance numbers! If you want to go fast, buy a sportbike. My 2003 Z1000 Kawasaki has 123 horsepower, with a redline of @11,000 rpms, has 6 speeds, and weighs 450lbs :roll: 8)

When you mix guys with cars, boats, or motorcycles the things that count are: performance, performance, performance, style, and value. The order may differ slightly for each individual. I submit that if performance wasn't the highest thing on your list then the VTX 1300 is a much better choice. The 1300 is an execellent bike, great value, great style and performance that exceeds most bikes in its class. The only significant difference between a 1300 and an 1800 is the added displacement, horse power, torque and the eternal "mine is bigger than yours," factor.

This is further supported by the amount of time, energy and money that is spent eeking out an additional few percent increase in HP and or torque from the 1800. Of which I am an avid and willing participant.

Don't forget fuel injection vs. carb. I like the fact that I can hit the starter and go, no matter the weather.

 

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who cares???!!! Cruisers are about cruising, not strightline performance numbers! If you want to go fast, buy a sportbike.

Amen, I second that :!:

YEA I THIRD DAT!

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but the V-max isn't even a V-twin, isn't it a v-4 like the magna or something?

yep, it's a v-4 cruiser like the 'magna'.

 

Performance matters to some folks and not to others. So, straight line accelleration can be a selling point for cruisers. Kind of like the muscle cars of the 60's.

i agree, that's why if the manufactures want to make a statement with a 'power cruiser/muscle bike', they need to build one that made a splash like the v-max, sabre and eliminator did when those bikes were introduced. those bikes were as fast as any bike in straight line accelleration back then. kind of like the muscle cars were as fast as any cars in it's days.

these current 'power' cruisers reminded me of a heavy duty truck/diesel truck that has a ton of torque but it's still slow. all i'm saying is don't go half way and call it a 'power cruiser/muscle bike'. build a real power cruiser that can back up the label 'power cruiser/muscle bike' because most people will look at the performance numbers when it comes to bikes that have the words 'power/muscle' associate with it.

i love my x but it's no 'power cruiser/muscle bike' but i bought it because looks and comfort out weigh speed. not to say that the x is inadequate on the roads either because it's got more than enough for the public settings.

same goes for the rocket 3, v-rod, vn2000, warrior or other current 'power cruisers'.

 

The only thing I call my X, is "Mine" -- I couldn't give a rat's azz about styles, trends, etc. Screw the "fashion-concious" and the "trend-concious" and the "band-wagon jumpers" all in the same fell swoop. Ride -your- ride and to hell with everyone else's expectations. When you cut that check every month to your lending institution of choice, ain't no one else gonna back it, but you. Shouldn't be no one else pushing your buying decision, but you. Ride Safe Ya'll. 8)

 

Yanno, you're all right.

Who gives a $hit about horspower/torque/weight.

Lets ALL get one of these and get in on. Yeeeeee Haaaaaa :shock: :shock:

 

Yanno, you're all right.

Who gives a $hit about horspower/torque/weight.

Lets ALL get one of these and get in on. Yeeeeee Haaaaaa :shock: :shock:

Finally, a ride we all can agree on.